1/6 Hot Toys - MMS353 D16 - CA: Civil War - Iron Man Mark XLVI Collectible Figure

[SoGS]

No I was totally serious, you explained it way better.

 

[Skillerwhale]

 

[Pin-Din7]

He can chrage whatever he wants to charge, it's your job as a buyer to be aware of the market for a particular figure. If you felt he was charging too much (in relation to the price that the figure typically moves at), then let him sit on RO Vader until he turns into a force ghost. To call him a scalper (if you meant it in a negative connotation), imo, is just a way to project your frustration of not being able to have it entirely your way. Find another seller or pay the ticket for admission.

To me, the perfect sale on the secondary market is one where both parties felt they could've done a little better. That situation is completely fluid and changes depending on individuals involved, and probably never happens unless it's a sale between individuals who know each other. And just as skillerwhale said it, desperation plays a huge role as well.

A desperate person who wants the sale to happen will always have the least leverage if the other party is competent.

It definitely was a "let him sit on RO Vader until he becomes a force ghost" situation as we both agreed that ANH should be higher yet I saw ANH Vader going for less than what he was listing his Vader at. Like I said I think he might've just been following the enormous prices on eBay cause at the time since RO was pretty popular and new stock was bought out and Amazon and eBay are the only places left other than the forums didn't think he was the scalper. Either way it was a leave it alone kind of thing. RO Vader looks shiny but not that shiny haha! Especially if they're going for a reissue of him from that 1/6 scale Vader at SDCC.


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[litleclay]

Well I know he's not Iron Man but close enough since he's diecast=War Machine, using Mk2 AoU WM as example, he didn't come with much just got a color change again yet his price was atrocious as months went by not even 12 so my advice it's now or a long later. Used is a fine choice too of course depending on the owners selling. Got my Iron Patriot used and the only way you could tell it was used were the joints in the legs which are quite loose after a budge. No regrets on him.

Thanks for the insight. Barring an epic Infinity Wars design I think I'll pick this one up. Considering the prices are unlikely (always a risk) to rise I won't worry about holding off for a while.

People can ask for whatever price they want, that doesn't mean that is what it is worth to anyone else. Watch ebay prices under the "sold" section and see what things go for (factoring in shipping), don't go by what people ask for. Most diecasts have lost quite a bit of value, not gain. They are already very high price as it is, the War Machine Mk 2, Patriot, Mk 42 can go for $100 below retail. Hot Rod went up, don't know if that is still the case, but its a rarer one. There will only be more of these figures going forward, with less and less "grail" pieces the demand is a lot more spread out. Its hard to imagine the prices going bonkers like they did years ago.

Some people pay more for unopened figures, but I personally would avoid those entirely unless there was quite a bargain. I have had so many QC issues with Hot Toys that I either want them from a retailer that will replace broken parts or opened and inspected by a third party. Sealed is just roulette for me, not worth it.

I've been reading about QC issues and buying second hand sounds like the better way to go. Considering how collectible these are I'm surprised there isn't more mark up, but I'm also new to this product line. Is it just a matter of there being too many resellers and having a flooded market? The only other thing I collect is Disney pins and these things can go up anywhere from 100-3,000% in value over a 12 month period.

It seems the only real benefit to buying direct is to avoid the counterfeit market and the hunt. At this point I'm looking to have 1 of each main hero and villain from MCU. Looking forward to the hunt, but not looking forward to learning about the counterfeit market

 

[rocbolt]

I've been reading about QC issues and buying second hand sounds like the better way to go. Considering how collectible these are I'm surprised there isn't more mark up, but I'm also new to this product line. Is it just a matter of there being too many resellers and having a flooded market? The only other thing I collect is Disney pins and these things can go up anywhere from 100-3,000% in value over a 12 month period.

It seems the only real benefit to buying direct is to avoid the counterfeit market and the hunt. At this point I'm looking to have 1 of each main hero and villain from MCU. Looking forward to the hunt, but not looking forward to learning about the counterfeit market

If you're new to Hot Toys then you missed the crazytown price bubble already. The first Iron Man lines and Avengers had huge price gains and values were ridiculously high. Figures like Hawkeye which were underproduced and didn't get popular till after the film because highly sought after and people paid big time to have the full set ($700 was a moderate Avengers Hawkeye price). But those prices collapsed as more movies happened and more (and vastly better) Hawkeyes and Iron Men etc were made. And all those original 7 Iron Man suits are being remade and remade well to make most of the old ones look like, well, like toys. No ones paying such a premium for that old stuff anymore especially seeing the writing on the wall that these figures will be remade and resold for a long long time. Plus today having an "Avengers" set means 20+ figures, and so many characters have had half a dozen versions too. You see less and less people buying everything and just being more selective, which you have to do if you don't have rooms to dedicate to this stuff. It doesn't help that these figures are so elaborate and good that they can take a year after the film it goes with to come out, and by then the next few movies have already happened.

And for a while Hot Toys produced way too many of each figure too, after this sort of thing became more popular. So those early diecasts, which are pretty great figures, are none the less too plentiful to be valuable. They seem to be making fewer of each now, some things going waitlist before they ship again. It used to be that way for everything, but then stuff stopped selling out fast, and people stopped preordering and instead waiting for deals after things stayed in stock too long. The market is still finding its stable point.

But bottom line, don't buy these things with future value as your primary motivator. Buy what you really want, and these days its usually worth your time to find a deal instead of rushing to buy something you don't really care for just out of worry about the price going up in the future. Its too hard to speculate what will end up being really sought after in the market and what wont.

 

[ShaneX]

^^ Very insightful and true words

 

[Sassafras]

If you're new to Hot Toys then you missed the crazytown price bubble already. The first Iron Man lines and Avengers had huge price gains and values were ridiculously high. Figures like Hawkeye which were underproduced and didn't get popular till after the film because highly sought after and people paid big time to have the full set ($700 was a moderate Avengers Hawkeye price). But those prices collapsed as more movies happened and more (and vastly better) Hawkeyes and Iron Men etc were made. And all those original 7 Iron Man suits are being remade and remade well to make most of the old ones look like, well, like toys. No ones paying such a premium for that old stuff anymore especially seeing the writing on the wall that these figures will be remade and resold for a long long time. Plus today having an "Avengers" set means 20+ figures, and so many characters have had half a dozen versions too. You see less and less people buying everything and just being more selective, which you have to do if you don't have rooms to dedicate to this stuff. It doesn't help that these figures are so elaborate and good that they can take a year after the film it goes with to come out, and by then the next few movies have already happened.

And for a while Hot Toys produced way too many of each figure too, after this sort of thing became more popular. So those early diecasts, which are pretty great figures, are none the less too plentiful to be valuable. They seem to be making fewer of each now, some things going waitlist before they ship again. It used to be that way for everything, but then stuff stopped selling out fast, and people stopped preordering and instead waiting for deals after things stayed in stock too long. The market is still finding its stable point.

But bottom line, don't buy these things with future value as your primary motivator. Buy what you really want, and these days its usually worth your time to find a deal instead of rushing to buy something you don't really care for just out of worry about the price going up in the future. Its too hard to speculate what will end up being really sought after in the market and what wont.

This was an excellent comment IMO 'coz I'm pretty new collecting too. Didn't know that prices had gotten THAT insane at one point. Trolling the 'bay - most recently for a Rescue Cap - *in general* for what I'm looking for I've seen high prices. Too high, a lot of the time IMO. Unless, I HAVE to have it. But gotten fair deals on "used" HTs" from sellers with good reputations. Look as good as mint and were well cared for. (A lot of times spare parts are never even opened). Why not, the minute I put a new HT on the shelf it's "used" anyway. Even a sealed HT is aging in the box and I don't know how it's been stored e.g. a hot warehouse or attic. I just look up the original selling price and then decide if I think it's fair price for a used piece (depending), or a pass. IMO some of these sellers are too hopeful.

 

[illproxy]

Yeah it is expensive, but well worth the price I think.

do get that feel via reactions to those that have it inhand. but i dont intend to have it light up really at all, not bothered if its diecast or not. those are two big selling points that are lost on me.

gahh i think i may end up gettin but totally on fence now for bit.

 

[blinguskahn]

do get that feel via reactions to those that have it inhand. but i dont intend to have it light up really at all, not bothered if its diecast or not. those are two big selling points that are lost on me.

gahh i think i may end up gettin but totally on fence now for bit.

Get the power pose version. Half the price, no Diecast and 1 switch for all the lights, EIGHT switches on the Diecast version.

 

[Pin-Din7]

You could get powerpose but the most Iron Man is doing is launching off with his chest all out and about or the option of he's launching off and about to repulsor Blast someone. He won't be able to land though forever stuck in mid air good thing he made upgrades to where he can go to space without freezing problem lol!


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[illproxy]

good suggestion and have considered the power pose but i really enjoy the standing there museum pose almost all my figs end up like that. i even like the proportions on the power pose more, the waist is wider i.e. but again not being able to stand with rest of my figs made it a pass.

didnt realize the PP had only one switch for all lights... thats pretty cool.

 

[Pin-Din7]

good suggestion and have considered the power pose but i really enjoy the standing there museum pose almost all my figs end up like that. i even like the proportions on the power pose more, the waist is wider i.e. but again not being able to stand with rest of my figs made it a pass.

didnt realize the PP had only one switch for all lights... thats pretty cool.

That's true too plus considering my last posts in this thread regarding accessibility to the lights was complete **** then yeah if you want ease and just want to see lights from looking like Iron Man with a lift off position and ready to fire repulsors you want the powerpose. I'm telling you nothing on my XLVI wanted to come off even the neck post such a struggle.


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[gmoney5000]

If you're new to Hot Toys then you missed the crazytown price bubble already. The first Iron Man lines and Avengers had huge price gains and values were ridiculously high. Figures like Hawkeye which were underproduced and didn't get popular till after the film because highly sought after and people paid big time to have the full set ($700 was a moderate Avengers Hawkeye price). But those prices collapsed as more movies happened and more (and vastly better) Hawkeyes and Iron Men etc were made. And all those original 7 Iron Man suits are being remade and remade well to make most of the old ones look like, well, like toys. No ones paying such a premium for that old stuff anymore especially seeing the writing on the wall that these figures will be remade and resold for a long long time. Plus today having an "Avengers" set means 20+ figures, and so many characters have had half a dozen versions too. You see less and less people buying everything and just being more selective, which you have to do if you don't have rooms to dedicate to this stuff. It doesn't help that these figures are so elaborate and good that they can take a year after the film it goes with to come out, and by then the next few movies have already happened.

And for a while Hot Toys produced way too many of each figure too, after this sort of thing became more popular. So those early diecasts, which are pretty great figures, are none the less too plentiful to be valuable. They seem to be making fewer of each now, some things going waitlist before they ship again. It used to be that way for everything, but then stuff stopped selling out fast, and people stopped preordering and instead waiting for deals after things stayed in stock too long. The market is still finding its stable point.

But bottom line, don't buy these things with future value as your primary motivator. Buy what you really want, and these days its usually worth your time to find a deal instead of rushing to buy something you don't really care for just out of worry about the price going up in the future. Its too hard to speculate what will end up being really sought after in the market and what wont.

Very well written. I agree with you on all your points, however....

I think your points only apply to secondary characters (you even stated Hawkeye as an example).

Top tier, A-list characters such as Iron Man, Spider-man, Batman, Joker (Ledger), Superman, etc. or more intricately designed characters like War Machine (who is essentially Iron Man lite) will always demand a higher premium. Their value may decrease, but it most likely will not dip below its original retail price.

That's just my 2 cents.

 

[rocbolt]

Very well written. I agree with you on all your points, however....

I think your points only apply to secondary characters (you even stated Hawkeye as an example).

Top tier, A-list characters such as Iron Man, Spider-man, Batman, Joker (Ledger), Superman, etc. or more intricately designed characters like War Machine (who is essentially Iron Man lite) will always demand a higher premium. Their value may decrease, but it most likely will not dip below its original retail price.

That's just my 2 cents.

I can't speak for DC as I don't collect those, but the latest War Machine Mk3 and DC Mk1 go for about retail, all the rest go for way below except for the Milk one. All the Mk2 variants go for $75 to $100 less than retail, Hot Rod about retail (a drop from a high premium soon after release). Non diecast Mk 1 dropped off with the new DC version in the mix. Pretty much every standard run plastic Iron Man goes for at or below retail, as do the older diecasts (42, 43, 45), even the super special black stealth Mk7. Secret project and those still go for a lot, limited market but they are quite rare. I don't collect Spidey but it seems like the Amazing ones aren't very popular and go for cheap too. When there are many if not dozens of versions of a character its not the character that drives sales, its the quality. And older figures get stomped by newer models 90% of the time. Only when they blow it (Avengers Loki to TDW Loki) do older versions suddenly get valuable and stay that way longer. If anything the side characters can hold their value and a place in collections longer, like Coulson say, as the chances of them ever making another one are slim.

 

[gmoney5000]

I can't speak for DC as I don't collect those, but the latest War Machine Mk3 and DC Mk1 go for about retail, all the rest go for way below except for the Milk one. All the Mk2 variants go for $75 to $100 less than retail, Hot Rod about retail (a drop from a high premium soon after release). Non diecast Mk 1 dropped off with the new DC version in the mix. Pretty much every standard run plastic Iron Man goes for at or below retail, as do the older diecasts (42, 43, 45), even the super special black stealth Mk7. Secret project and those still go for a lot, limited market but they are quite rare. I don't collect Spidey but it seems like the Amazing ones aren't very popular and go for cheap too. When there are many if not dozens of versions of a character its not the character that drives sales, its the quality. And older figures get stomped by newer models 90% of the time. Only when they blow it (Avengers Loki to TDW Loki) do older versions suddenly get valuable and stay that way longer. If anything the side characters can hold their value and a place in collections longer, like Coulson say, as the chances of them ever making another one are slim.

Perhaps I should have clarified. When I speak of popular, top tier, A-list character I only mean their definitive, iconic appearance. So you speak about Hot Rod, while, yes, it is an Iron Man figure it is not the definitive one people think of. It's a variant.

Also, speaking of Iron Man I'm only talking about the Diecast ones. Of course the older, plastic ones won't hold their value if newer, updated, Diecast ones are being released.

I agree that side characters can hold their own, but it depends on who that character is and how many versions of said character already exist on the market place.

And like any collecting hobby quantity and scarcity plays a huge factor in its value. So yeah, a single appearance character will probably demand a higher value due to its limited quantity, but not all the time. Take Quicksilver or Vision for instance. Both have only one version released and they both go for $50-60 below retail.

In the end it's a toss-up, but you can bet the A-list ones will typically retain or increase their value.

 

[Chiefrocka]

Mark 1 2.0 still holds its value, in fact I've seen some sold at outrages prices(100+ over reatil). as well as the first mech test Tony Stark. I've been waiting almost 3 yrs for a price drop to grab that mech tony

 

[Sardo Numspa]

I can't speak for DC as I don't collect those, but the latest War Machine Mk3 and DC Mk1 go for about retail

I don't know where you guys shop, but using the DC Mk1 WM as an example, I don't see it anywhere near retail price... especially if it's new....

 

[gmoney5000]

I don't know where you guys shop, but using the DC Mk1 WM as an example, I don't see it anywhere near retail price... especially if it's new....

Haha that's exactly what I thought as well!

 

[jchow1030]

DC Mk1 WM is extremely rare to find, even on ebay for a good price. Believe me, I've been searching weekly, and all the listings are above retail price. The last one few bidding listings sold for about $390 USD. If you're lucky, you can find one in Asia (Hong Kong) for retail, or under retail.

The Mk1 WM 1.0 has dropped to an average of $160 USD, which I believe is about more or less retail when it was first released years ago.

I think the DC versions will hold its retail value for some time, but as a fairly new collector to Hot Toys, I don't plan on making money on my figures. If anything, I'm planning to keep them until my kids are grown up, and pass it down to them.

 

[rocbolt]

Perhaps I should have clarified. When I speak of popular, top tier, A-list character I only mean their definitive, iconic appearance. So you speak about Hot Rod, while, yes, it is an Iron Man figure it is not the definitive one people think of. It's a variant.

And my point was that is the only War Machine 2 DIECAST figure that is even worth retail, every other is $100 below. You say definitive appearance, ask people what that is and you'll get 12 different answers. That's the point, there isn't a definite appearance for the whole community, not now that there is 15 movies and counting. That's why prices are pretty meh and all the old standards of "this will be valuable forever" aren't.

Also, speaking of Iron Man I'm only talking about the Diecast ones. Of course the older, plastic ones won't hold their value if newer, updated, Diecast ones are being released.

And most of the first Iron Man diecasts aren't worth retail either, that was my point- whatever is latest is popular, the oldest aren't: Mk 42, 43 ticked up a bit because of Hulkbuster but still, 45, 47 almost certainly wont be. Starting out $300+ isn't helping that line either.

In the end it's a toss-up, but you can bet the A-list ones will typically retain or increase their value.

Until they release a newer one

Mark 1 2.0 still holds its value, in fact I've seen some sold at outrages prices(100+ over reatil).

Until it gets re-released (and it certainly will). Even if they don't get to it soon, after RDJ is done with these movies, they'll have nothing to do but rehash the whole line again and again.