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Come on! Tony was mostly right. Even Cap wanted to tell him the truth but the guy in the bird suit didn't let him! Tony did not make them get thrown into prison either. And he went it to help Cap despite their fight.
Don't badmouth Tony.
Sam wouldn't let Steve tell the truth about what? Tony's parents?
 
Sam wouldn't let Steve tell the truth about what? Tony's parents?

I don't think Sam knew. Only Steve and Nat because they were in that bunker when Zola showed them how HYDRA, I'm assuming via the Winter Soldier, changed history and one of the headlines was the Starks car crash I believe.
 
I don't think Sam knew. Only Steve and Nat because they were in that bunker when Zola showed them how HYDRA, I'm assuming via the Winter Soldier, changed history and one of the headlines was the Starks car crash I believe.

That I know. But the guy I quoted seems to think differently.

Zola said "accidents happen" as that headline popped up. In fact,
I went into the movie knowing for sure it would come up somehow, just didn't know when ha
 
Come on! Tony was mostly right. Even Cap wanted to tell him the truth but the guy in the bird suit didn't let him! Tony did not make them get thrown into prison either. And he went it to help Cap despite their fight.
Don't badmouth Tony.

I don't think Falcon knew about Tony's parents, at all. The only ones I feel knew were Cap and BW, because they were the ones in that underground bunker where Zola showed them what happened throughout the years. What I gleaned from his letter at the end, it's not that Cap didn't want to tell Tony, he just thought he was doing what was right in protecting his friend (Tony), in the same way that he was protecting Bucky. He knew how much pain it would cause Tony to tell him that his parents were actually murdered after he believed for so long that they perished in a car accident. Not only that, also throwing his best friend under the bus (Bucky) at the same time by saying it was actually him as Winter Soldier that was the murderer. I felt Cap was put in between a rock and a hard place in this film because I truly felt he was trying to do what he felt was best for the protection of both of his friends. He even acknowledged in his letter that he should have told Tony, but that he hopes that one day Tony could understand why he just couldn't bring himself to do so.

Tony directly didn't make Cap's team get thrown into prison, no, but Secretary Ross did essentially insinuate that if he could have his way, they would ALL (including Tony) be thrown into prison. Once at the beginning when he labeled them all as "dangerous" and gave his, "What do you call a group of....", speech, and then towards the end when he told Tony, "You're lucky you're not in one of these cells."

Tony was initially being loyal to him, but it sounds to me like Ross had his own agenda and was only feigning loyalty to Tony because Tony's opinion played into his agenda and he just used Tony to help him round up the rest of the Avengers, and once Tony had done that, wanted to incarcerate him also. So in that sense, who was actually right about these groups being run by people with agendas?
 
Steve, after rescuing Bucky from the river and learning of the other Winter Soldiers, wanted to tell Tony, but birdman said no way.

We must have been watching different movies ...
Steve wanted to tell Tony about about how the psychologist (Zemo) was the one who was responsible for the UN bombing to set Bucky up in order to flush him out so he could get him alone in a room, so he could set him loose. Falcon says that Tony wouldn't believe it and they decide that even if he did he wouldn't be able to help because of the accords.

Steve tries to tell him so when they meet at the airport but Tony isn't having it, which is what Sam says would happen.

Having a convo about telling Tony about how the guy who killed his parents needs help wouldn't make much sense, especially since Sam probably doesn't know.
 
We must have been watching different movies ...
Steve wanted to tell Tony about about how the psychologist (Zemo) was the one who was responsible for the UN bombing to set Bucky up in order to flush him out so he could get him alone in a room, so he could set him loose. Falcon says that Tony wouldn't believe it and they decide that even if he did he wouldn't be able to help because of the accords.

Steve tries to tell him so when they meet at the airport but Tony isn't having it, which is what Sam says would happen.

Having a convo about telling Tony about how the guy who killed his parents needs help wouldn't make much sense, especially since Sam probably doesn't know.

:exactly:
 
well they never had any hints in the movies and the comics don't back it up.

not sure why we're referring to him as the black guy and not his name though.

nice interview though, pretty rare to get one of those.
 
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I knew there must of been something to that choke scene :lol here is Mackie and Stan talking about it, funny interview but check out 3:33 for romance with Black Widow



I hope they go that route since they said they're going to make a Black Widow movie now. I could see the Winter Soldier with her in it.
 
well they never had any hints in the movies and the comics don't back it up.

not sure why we're referring to him as the black guy and not his name though.

nice interview though, pretty rare to get one of those.

Yeah... People are lazy and make things racial for no damn reason. Augh.
 
I don't think Falcon knew about Tony's parents, at all. The only ones I feel knew were Cap and BW, because they were the ones in that underground bunker where Zola showed them what happened throughout the years. What I gleaned from his letter at the end, it's not that Cap didn't want to tell Tony, he just thought he was doing what was right in protecting his friend (Tony), in the same way that he was protecting Bucky. He knew how much pain it would cause Tony to tell him that his parents were actually murdered after he believed for so long that they perished in a car accident. Not only that, also throwing his best friend under the bus (Bucky) at the same time by saying it was actually him as Winter Soldier that was the murderer. I felt Cap was put in between a rock and a hard place in this film because I truly felt he was trying to do what he felt was best for the protection of both of his friends. He even acknowledged in his letter that he should have told Tony, but that he hopes that one day Tony could understand why he just couldn't bring himself to do so.

Tony directly didn't make Cap's team get thrown into prison, no, but Secretary Ross did essentially insinuate that if he could have his way, they would ALL (including Tony) be thrown into prison. Once at the beginning when he labeled them all as "dangerous" and gave his, "What do you call a group of....", speech, and then towards the end when he told Tony, "You're lucky you're not in one of these cells."

Tony was initially being loyal to him, but it sounds to me like Ross had his own agenda and was only feigning loyalty to Tony because Tony's opinion played into his agenda and he just used Tony to help him round up the rest of the Avengers, and once Tony had done that, wanted to incarcerate him also. So in that sense, who was actually right about these groups being run by people with agendas?

Nice analysis
 
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