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[Leon 911]

Even If Leto dies / I think the only award he will get is someone doing a better joker than him as a replacement.



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[Captain Clown]

Even If Leto dies / I think the only award he will get is someone doing a better joker than him as a replacement.

 

[lordregnis]

I'm inclined to agree in as much as people to this very day are still romanticizing about it to the point that they'll be overly critical
of any other interpretation or adaptation of the character. Granted I enjoyed his performance a great deal and appreciate what
both Nolan and Ledger did when adapting him to their world. However, Ledger is gone and both Bale and Nolan have moved on
and the DCEU is here along with a new Batman and Joker and yet still people are romanticizing about something that's
concluded.

Yes because one performance was good and the other was bad, case closed. If letos had been good we would all still be comparing them, but we'd be talking about why they were good in their own respects. It gets to a point where something is so bad it becomes not much of an opinion anymore. I didn't hate letos joker, but I know it's bad, I'm not in denial.
Same with bvs, some people may like that movie, but it's garbage. I'm not going to be in denial about it and try and bring the Nolan trilogy down, whining and crying about how it's not like the comics and this and that isn't accurate. That's not going to make bvs any better, just like saying people are romanticizing about ledger because letos joker wasn't good. Just accept it, get over it and move on... or dont.

 

[Azrael23]

Yes because one performance was good and the other was bad, case closed. .

That's a matter of personal opinion. Some liked Ledger's performance others not so much. The same with Leto. There's no "case closed" or "denial" about it. Is it so hard to accept that many thoroughly enjoyed DCEU films and character interpretations in spite of internet groupthink.

just like saying people are romanticizing about ledger because letos joker wasn't good. Just accept it, get over it and move on... or dont.

Because many were and many still continue to do so. Even before actually seeing Leto's performance many had already made up their minds that they were not going to be opened towards this new aesthetic and/or interpretation. Frankly, I've
already accepted that adaptations conclusion and now embrace the current adaptation. I've been over it since 2012.

 

[Captain Clown]

Yes because one performance was good and the other was bad, case closed. If letos had been good we would all still be comparing them, but we'd be talking about why they were good in their own respects. It gets to a point where something is so bad it becomes not much of an opinion anymore. I didn't hate letos joker, but I know it's bad, I'm not in denial.
Same with bvs, some people may like that movie, but it's garbage. I'm not going to be in denial about it and try and bring the Nolan trilogy down, whining and crying about how it's not like the comics and this and that isn't accurate. That's not going to make bvs any better, just like saying people are romanticizing about ledger because letos joker wasn't good. Just accept it, get over it and move on... or dont.

BvS being less "restrained" than DKR made for a funner movie IMO.





I mean wtf, BvS Batman could beat DKR Bane in 10 seconds

 

[Azrael23]

BvS being less "restrained" than DKR made for a funner movie IMO.



I mean wtf, BvS Batman could beat DKR Bane in 10 seconds

 

[lordregnis]

Looks like you'll be taking the "or don't" route.

 

[Captain Clown]

BvS being less "restrained" than DKR made for a funner movie IMO.





I mean wtf, BvS Batman could beat DKR Bane in 10 seconds

Another thing - I was kinda disappointed that Batman, after going through a TON of horrible stuff that "strengthened" him in DKR, still would've gotten his ass handed to him by Bane if the blind doctor in Azkaban didn't conveniently say what Bane's weakness was.

Even if Batman escaped the prison and confronted Bane at City Hall, he would've been beaten yet again if the doctor didn't bring Bane's mask up in one of their conversations. He was losing the fight until he started aiming for his mask. He didn't win by skill, he won by playing dirty.

Sorry, rant over.
How about that Harley Quinn figure?

 

[Azrael23]

Looks like you'll be taking the "or don't" route.

If that's the case then I'll likely be running smack into you then

 

[Azrael23]

Another thing - I was kinda disappointed that Batman, after going through a TON of horrible stuff that "strengthened" him in DKR, still would've gotten his ass handed to him by Bane if the blind doctor in Azkaban didn't conveniently say what Bane's weakness was.

Even if Batman escaped the prison and confronted Bane at City Hall, he would've been beaten yet again if the doctor didn't bring Bane's mask up in one of their conversations. He was losing the fight until he started aiming for his mask. He didn't win by skill, he won by playing dirty.



Sorry, rant over.
How about that Harley Quinn figure?

 

[lordregnis]

If that's the case then I'll likely be running smack into you then

Like your previous comment, that made no sense.

 

[snakeeyes171]

Another thing - I was kinda disappointed that Batman, after going through a TON of horrible stuff that "strengthened" him in DKR, still would've gotten his ass handed to him by Bane if the blind doctor in Azkaban didn't conveniently say what Bane's weakness was.

Even if Batman escaped the prison and confronted Bane at City Hall, he would've been beaten yet again if the doctor didn't bring Bane's mask up in one of their conversations. He was losing the fight until he started aiming for his mask. He didn't win by skill, he won by playing dirty.

Sorry, rant over.
How about that Harley Quinn figure?

Bvs Batman would have killed bane, agreed

 

[Azrael23]

Like your previous comment, that made no sense.

Not sure how, another poster apparently got it, but whatever you say

 

[Leon 911]

There will always be people who support something and some who don't. Most people liked ledger as joker and his acting, some dint, however - most ignored / don't like Leto joker- well some do.

Lastly - while a matter of opinions - opinions also reflect a lot on the individual making / supporting a certain opinion. In Letos case an opinion supporting an ordinary and unimpressive performance. In ledgers case well, I think he will go down in history books as creating the most scary, deep and stellar joker.

None of this is good or bad and to each their own. But "most" will say there is no comparison between the two. For some who do - great let's keep it entertained [emoji4]

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[DBoz]

Holy crap. This thread needs an enema.

 

[jordanimal]

Bvs Batman would have killed bane, agreed

definitely agree!

hopefully in Affleck's solo film we, in the very least, get a cameo of Bane in Arkham or something, the way he SHOULD be. I wouldn't mind if he was totally CGI even

 

[Captain Clown]

definitely agree!

hopefully in Affleck's solo film we, in the very least, get a cameo of Bane in Arkham or something, the way he SHOULD be. I wouldn't mind if he was totally CGI even

I'd like to see something along the lines of Knightfall Bane. Beefier & taller than Affleck, but not insanely exaggerated like the Arkham version.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Here's how I categorize our Jokers.

Nicholson- Late 80's, purple suit, prince music (yuk), suspenders, supposed to be a scary mobster but comes off more comedic with a dark atmosphere around him. a joker for the late 80's.

Ledger- Early 2000's, smack dab in the "thriller" hper-realism decade of movies. (The Town, Departed, Fight Club, Inside Man). We got the purple suit, mobster look, no stained face, but instead a guy who caked on makeup. a joker for the time.

Leto- Mid 2010's, a time of loud and stylish movies/music. A long with society breaking norms. We got a joker that reflects that (and in return one that is the closest to the actual CB character we've seen on screen.) He looks like 2016 gangster. Like what rich gangsters really look like. Tattoos/Grill/Fashion.

My point? The joker is an always evolving character to what society needs him to be. Imagine Nicholson's Joker in SS. It wouldn't work. Does that mean it's worse? No. It means it's outdated.

I'd be interested to see peoples ages in comparison to their favorite joker. I think a lot of older people see the tats and grill and automatically think "wow that's stupid because that's not the style I grew up with, or am used to seeing. damn kids." this doesn't mean it's your fault for not understanding why he's like this, it just means you are having a hard time accepting the way the world is going and society changing. This ain't the 80's no more. Rock is gone, rap is in. Tailcoats are out, silk shirts and chains are in. Tats are more acceptable. We play Pokemon on our cellphone, not on our GBC. It's 2016. Hence, why we have a 2016 Joker.

Pretty much- if you can't get over his look that's not the films fault. it's yours for feeling like it needs changed when in reality this is the way it would be no matter what.

A 2016 Joker would have tats.
A 2016 Joker would have chains.
A 2016 Joker would have a Lambo.
A 2016 Joker would have a Grill.

Look at rich people today, more specifically rich, "gangster", or hip hop artists.

Post Malone:

Asap Rocky:

Yung Lean:

Mac Miller:

$B$

This is the way the world is. Complaining about it isn't going to stop it from changing from what you're used to. Either keep up, or get cut out.


We got an 80's Joker because at the time, this is what the world was.

and movies reflected that, just like they do today.

 

[Femtech]

That's what Yung Lean looks like now? Good for him; he used to be pretty basic, fashion wise.

 

[ZaCHw117]

That's what Yung Lean looks like now? Good for him; he used to be pretty basic, fashion wise.

Recently yeah, he's goin back to the ol' Leanien ways though.



but to be fair, he's always been obsessed with Gucci, Polo, Tommy etc. - Like most Swedes.

"Louis, Gucci, Polo, I rock that **** everyday. Catch me in a four door with yung sherman, hop out in LA.