Hot Toys The Last Jedi Luke Skywalker 1/6 Figure

[hen88]

And I think this comment perfectly sums up what the real problem is: your expectations. You (and many others) went into the sequel films with (in some cases decades) of preconceived notions about what was "supposed" to happen next. And if you do that, you're not leaving yourself open to other possibilities in the same way you would with, as you said, a standalone film.

And you can be upset that the story didn't go a way you wanted it to, or even a way you liked, but it's not fair to lay your headcanon at the feet of Rian Johnson like it's his failure just because he (and whoever else) imagined the tale going in a different direction.

Personally I enjoy when my expectations are turned on their head, I think it makes for a more interesting movie-going experience. But I understand some people just want to see the stories they've already read (in books, in comics, in their imagination) simply regurgitated on screen with no deviation. I respect that desire, but I think "I didn't like it" is adequate enough in these instances without villifying a director just doing his job.

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[Jack Bauer]

Well Jack also sounded certain that we'd get a Lando from the Solo movie, and that's clearly not happening. I'm sure HT was probably working on both of those at some point (along with many others we'll never hear about), but that doesn't mean we'll actually ever see them.

I was certain and he was almost finished(Solo Lando) but trust me you don't want to know all the figures that have been in development and have never seen production. You all would cry. I usually only hint at things that I feel will make it to production. So I still feel Solo Lando will be made and...

 

[Jack Bauer]

And I think this comment perfectly sums up what the real problem is: your expectations. You (and many others) went into the sequel films with (in some cases decades) of preconceived notions about what was "supposed" to happen next. And if you do that, you're not leaving yourself open to other possibilities in the same way you would with, as you said, a standalone film.

And you can be upset that the story didn't go a way you wanted it to, or even a way you liked, but it's not fair to lay your headcanon at the feet of Rian Johnson like it's his failure just because he (and whoever else) imagined the tale going in a different direction.

Personally I enjoy when my expectations are turned on their head, I think it makes for a more interesting movie-going experience. But I understand some people just want to see the stories they've already read (in books, in comics, in their imagination) simply regurgitated on screen with no deviation. I respect that desire, but I think "I didn't like it" is adequate enough in these instances without villifying a director just doing his job.

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This 100%. I am not trying to sound arrogant or putting anyone down for not liking TLJ. But I can say with confidence, being involved with the things I am... that TLJ was ahead of its time. If you didn't like it, I don't think you understood it properly(try not to take that as an insult please) its not saying you are dumb, just you weren't ready for the change it presented. Like the post above mentions, you had an idea where you wanted the story to go and it went the the opposite way. It will have a renaissance just like the prequels are experiencing right now. Count on it.

 

[Hoody999]

I was certain and he was almost finished(Solo Lando) but trust me you don't want to know all the figures that have been in development and have never seen production. You all would cry. I usually only hint at things that I feel will make it to production. So I still feel Solo Lando will be made and...Bespin Lando

Your job must be so frustrating !! Ignorance is bliss

By the way, I finished your sentence with what I though was an appropriate ending. We need him !!

 

[Smash]

And I think this comment perfectly sums up what the real problem is: your expectations. You (and many others) went into the sequel films with (in some cases decades) of preconceived notions about what was "supposed" to happen next. And if you do that, you're not leaving yourself open to other possibilities in the same way you would with, as you said, a standalone film.

And you can be upset that the story didn't go a way you wanted it to, or even a way you liked, but it's not fair to lay your headcanon at the feet of Rian Johnson like it's his failure just because he (and whoever else) imagined the tale going in a different direction.

Personally I enjoy when my expectations are turned on their head, I think it makes for a more interesting movie-going experience. But I understand some people just want to see the stories they've already read (in books, in comics, in their imagination) simply regurgitated on screen with no deviation. I respect that desire, but I think "I didn't like it" is adequate enough in these instances without villifying a director just doing his job.

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I agree for the most part. I would say that, while I think it's perfectly fair for people to theorize and wonder about what might happen - having specific "this must happen next" is setting oneself up for disappointment.

In regards to Luke tossing aside the lightsaber, I really don't know what people were expecting. We get the set up in TFA from Han that Luke's apprentice destroyed his temple and Luke felt responsible, blamed himself, and bailed. And at the point we are at in TFA we know that he has for whatever reason, refused to come help even though the First Order has been messing people 6 years after he left. Sure, Luke could have just dropped the saber and walked away and it probably would have been received much better, but the sentiment is still the same and is consistent with TFA.

I often see people here saying things like, "It should have gone like this!... Luke takes the saber from Rey and gives it back to her, saying 'ah yes young Rey, let's see how you can use the force!'". Sorry, but that would have been far less consistent with TFA. That's where the "it throws away TFA's setups" complaint doesn't make sense to me. Luke was in a bad place in TFA and people just expecting him to be like "oh hey good you're here, lets go kick butt!" is strange.

Also, the setup of TFA is honestly... the OT lol. And tons of the same people that complained about how it was a rehash then go and say TLJ destroyed everything it set in motion. Did people reallyyyyy want Snoke to live through TLJ and be the big baddy, saving the inevitable (since TFA) Kylo kills Snoke moment for the end of IX? Then people would just complain about it being ROTJ2. Basically, no matter what these movies do, people will complain. The majority of storylines setup in TFA are responded to in TLJ, just not with the same answers as the OT.

I personally find things like Kylo killing Snoke in TLJ to be one of the best decisions of the ST. It makes it far more interesting going forward and does a lot for Kylo's character and it's doing what Vader always wanted to do.

Anyway, back to the figure.. that pic I posted a couple pages back with the sunset makes me really excited to get this. I'm sure BBTS will take their sweet time though -_-

 

[Mike86]

And I think this comment perfectly sums up what the real problem is: your expectations. You (and many others) went into the sequel films with (in some cases decades) of preconceived notions about what was "supposed" to happen next. And if you do that, you're not leaving yourself open to other possibilities in the same way you would with, as you said, a standalone film.

And you can be upset that the story didn't go a way you wanted it to, or even a way you liked, but it's not fair to lay your headcanon at the feet of Rian Johnson like it's his failure just because he (and whoever else) imagined the tale going in a different direction.

Personally I enjoy when my expectations are turned on their head, I think it makes for a more interesting movie-going experience. But I understand some people just want to see the stories they've already read (in books, in comics, in their imagination) simply regurgitated on screen with no deviation. I respect that desire, but I think "I didn't like it" is adequate enough in these instances without villifying a director just doing his job.

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I think it’s perfectly natural to have expectations built up when it’s a film franchise that’s been around for decades and has so much fandom and lore built around it.

I understand what Johnson did just fine. It’s not a case of it going over my head nor do I think it went over the heads of others who didn’t like it. I’ll give him credit for taking a risk. I don’t think that risk entirely paid off. It feels like a combination of laziness and arrogance how he approached his film. It feels like either he a) didn’t know where to take the story or b) didn’t care about anything set up previously and just decided to throw a swerve and toss out what he didn’t like or want to continue.

I think that’s a bit of an insult to fans of the franchise. It’s one thing to go a different direction, but doing so in a way that throws out so many plot points and makes a beloved character borderline unlikable were poor choices.

What it ultimately boils down to is that he made a decision that I think he had to know would be divisive. I think for a franchise film like this that’s not the right choice for the films that are continuing your main storyline.

If someone wants to do their own thing, great, but people shouldn’t act surprised when it doesn’t go over well with everyone when you basically tell them that everything they thought or expected was wrong. Not even just wrong but completely thrown out in some regards. That’s going over the line and basically pissing on a lot of fans.

 

[hen88]

I agree for the most part. I would say that, while I think it's perfectly fair for people to theorize and wonder about what might happen - having specific "this must happen next" is setting oneself up for disappointment.

In regards to Luke tossing aside the lightsaber, I really don't know what people were expecting. We get the set up in TFA from Han that Luke's apprentice destroyed his temple and Luke felt responsible, blamed himself, and bailed. And at the point we are at in TFA we know that he has for whatever reason, refused to come help even though the First Order has been messing people 6 years after he left. Sure, Luke could have just dropped the saber and walked away and it probably would have been received much better, but the sentiment is still the same and is consistent with TFA.

I often see people here saying things like, "It should have gone like this!... Luke takes the saber from Rey and gives it back to her, saying 'ah yes young Rey, let's see how you can use the force!'". Sorry, but that would have been far less consistent with TFA. That's where the "it throws away TFA's setups" complaint doesn't make sense to me. Luke was in a bad place in TFA and people just expecting him to be like "oh hey good you're here, lets go kick butt!" is strange.

Also, the setup of TFA is honestly... the OT lol. And tons of the same people that complained about how it was a rehash then go and say TLJ destroyed everything it set in motion. Did people reallyyyyy want Snoke to live through TLJ and be the big baddy, saving the inevitable (since TFA) Kylo kills Snoke moment for the end of IX? Then people would just complain about it being ROTJ2. Basically, no matter what these movies do, people will complain. The majority of storylines setup in TFA are responded to in TLJ, just not with the same answers as the OT.

I personally find things like Kylo killing Snoke in TLJ to be one of the best decisions of the ST. It makes it far more interesting going forward and does a lot for Kylo's character and it's doing what Vader always wanted to do.

Anyway, back to the figure.. that pic I posted a couple pages back with the sunset makes me really excited to get this. I'm sure BBTS will take their sweet time though -_-

 

[Protozaius]

I don't mind Kylo killing Snoke in TLJ. It's just that he died a nobody... without any substantive or compelling back story that links him to the rest of the Saga.

He should have been Darth Plagueis.

You want Kylo to live by his own words... (Let the past die... kill it if you have to) then make him execute the oldest living, death cheating Sith Lord who is possibly responsible for the birth of his grandfather... Anakin.

 

[Wor-Gar]

...you don't want to know all the figures that have been in development and have never seen production. You all would cry.

Tell us! Make us cry!





Anyway, I think this Hobo Luke looks quite nice. Maybe a soft prod sculpt but that's about it.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

This figure itself looks to be slightly improved over the TFA version, but as is usually the case the production sculpt is weaker than the proto. The outfit is also way too clean. I thought the gap would be larger to be honest but the TFA still holds up fine against this.

The content this figure is based on remains complete doo-doo.

 

[guyver1]

Did they include the saber with this Luke..I keep seeing blogger pics of Luke with the ignited Saber

 

[SilverStar17]

I was certain and he was almost finished(Solo Lando) but trust me you don't want to know all the figures that have been in development and have never seen production. You all would cry. I usually only hint at things that I feel will make it to production. So I still feel Solo Lando will be made and...

If you don’t tell us, we’ll cry.

 

[Smash]

I don't mind Kylo killing Snoke in TLJ. It's just that he died a nobody... without any substantive or compelling back story that links him to the rest of the Saga.

He should have been Darth Plagueis.

You want Kylo to live by his own words... (Let the past die... kill it if you have to) then make him execute the oldest living, death cheating Sith Lord who is possibly responsible for the birth of his grandfather... Anakin.

I totally get wanting to know more about Snoke, and I would like that as well. However, I have to say I honestly think that anything backstory-wise for him is on TFA. It seems like sticking a monologue or some kind of big explanation in the middle of the second movie would kinda take me out of the film IMO. If there was a place for Snoke exposition at all during TLJ, I think it would have had to be when Luke was talking to Rey, maybe a few lines about Snoke being someone they trusted until xyz or something. But I don't think Snoke explaining things himself would work in TLJ. I feel like that should have been in TFA when Han is talking to Rey and Finn, or even an extra scene after Rey gets back and she's with Leia. At this point Rey knows Kylo is their son, so that would be a time for her to be like "wtf".

TBH a lot of people's issues with the ST imo fall on TFA/JJ's mystery boxes. He basically put out a lot of things he didn't have an answer to and things like Snoke were created just to have an "emperor" figure for Kylo, even though Kylo was the primary antagonist/character of the ST. We'll certainly get more background on Snoke in the future in some form. I try to view Star Wars as in-universe events and pretty much everything is expanded on somehow, so maybe that's why it didn't bug me too much.

 

[Smash]

Did they include the saber with this Luke..I keep seeing blogger pics of Luke with the ignited Saber

It's included, yeah. Along with the staff and the antenna.

As for the weathering, it looks to still exist but depends on the pics. The tunic certainly has some weathering on it, and if you look at parted out photos on eBay the coat does as well. Like turd pointed out, not as much as the proto - but it's still there. It probably wouldn't be hard to weather it a bit more for those who want to. I much prefer this sculpt to the TFA one, Not sure why they went with the "looking off to the side" eye paint on the TFA figure lol

 

[Mike86]

Did they include the saber with this Luke..I keep seeing blogger pics of Luke with the ignited Saber

Yeah, if you look at the accessories list and product pictures he includes the ignited saber blade.

 

[Smash]

I was certain and he was almost finished(Solo Lando) but trust me you don't want to know all the figures that have been in development and have never seen production. You all would cry. I usually only hint at things that I feel will make it to production. So I still feel Solo Lando will be made and...

 

[davejames]

I think it’s perfectly natural to have expectations built up when it’s a film franchise that’s been around for decades and has so much fandom and lore built around it.

I understand what Johnson did just fine. It’s not a case of it going over my head nor do I think it went over the heads of others who didn’t like it. I’ll give him credit for taking a risk. I don’t think that risk entirely paid off. It feels like a combination of laziness and arrogance how he approached his film. It feels like either he a) didn’t know where to take the story or b) didn’t care about anything set up previously and just decided to throw a swerve and toss out what he didn’t like or want to continue.

I think that’s a bit of an insult to fans of the franchise. It’s one thing to go a different direction, but doing so in a way that throws out so many plot points and makes a beloved character borderline unlikable were poor choices.

What it ultimately boils down to is that he made a decision that I think he had to know would be divisive. I think for a franchise film like this that’s not the right choice for the films that are continuing your main storyline.

If someone wants to do their own thing, great, but people shouldn’t act surprised when it doesn’t go over well with everyone when you basically tell them that everything they thought or expected was wrong. Not even just wrong but completely thrown out in some regards. That’s going over the line and basically pissing on a lot of fans.

I really doubt Johnson ever expected his story decisions to be as divisive as they were. As others have argued, Luke being a grumpy hermit who wanted nothing more to do with the Force just seemed to follow naturally from what was established in TFA, and like a lot of us Johnson probably didn't see much point in keeping a generic villain like Snoke around, and thought the twist of killing him off early was much cooler than anything else they could have done with the character. And revealing Rey's parents to be Luke or Obi-Wan always seemed like the cheesiest and most obvious answer from the start, so I was very happy to see him veer away from that.

That said, I definitely get the frustration from those who wanted to see Luke be the big, heroic Jedi Knight again. Or thought Johnson took things a step too far with the flashback scene. But ultimately I found the decisions TLJ made a lot more interesting and I was glad to see it try something different with these characters and not follow the predictable path that seemed laid out by TFA.

 

[Mike86]

I really doubt Johnson ever expected his story decisions to be as divisive as they were. As others have argued, Luke being a grumpy hermit who wanted nothing more to do with the Force just seemed to follow naturally from what was established in TFA, and like a lot of us Johnson probably didn't see much point in keeping a generic villain like Snoke around, and thought the twist of killing him off early was much cooler than anything else they could have done with the character. And revealing Rey's parents to be Luke or Obi-Wan always seemed like the cheesiest and most obvious answer from the start, so I was very happy to see him veer away from that.

That said, I definitely get the frustration from those who wanted to see Luke be the big, heroic Jedi Knight again. Or thought Johnson took things a step too far with the flashback scene. But ultimately I found the decisions TLJ made a lot more interesting and I was glad to see it try something different with these characters and not follow the predictable path that seemed laid out by TFA.

Here’s why I disagree with you that he didn’t know he was making a divisive film. All the questions posed by The Force Awakens were essentially disregarded. Characters were wasted and handled poorly. You can argue that he went in a different direction than expected, but I pretty much view his handling of the plots presented as being tossed out and characters made into jokes as something he did because he thought he was being clever or something.

Rey’s parents. They’re just no one. She’s just an anomaly of the Force. Just an over-powered person for absolutely no reason. I say over-powered because she can essentially do it all by the end of the first film (weild a lightsaber and win a duel, use Force powers with no training, and on top of those two skills is also a pretty decent pilot). Some of the over-powered aspects of her fall on Abrams, but Johnson still gave a complete non-answer on why she might be important.

Snoke. Complete joke of a character that’s taken out like a chump. I can’t agree with him being just a stock villain character as we don’t see him do much of anything to really determine that’s the case. The potential to do something interesting with him was there. That potential was just not expanded on.

The Knights of Ren. Not even acknowledged by the film.

Finn. Standout character from The Force Awakens is given one of the stupidest and most pointless subplots in any Star Wars film. It almost would have been better if we wasn’t in the film because he’s completely wasted and feels like an afterthought.

Same with Poe. Sure he “learns a lesson” but only in the most completely forced way possible by the overbearing stupidity of Holdo.

And then there’s Luke. Now look I’ll say this, the fact that he’s a grumpy old man who’s in isolation on Ach-To isn’t what bothers me most with his character. I could actually buy that to be truthful. Where it took a turn for me is his death by far. I’d actually be a lot more accepting of him in the film if he didn’t die in it. Especially in the fashion that he did. Luke is Star Wars to a lot of us and to have him go out how he did is just a massive disappointment.

I don’t know exactly what I’d have done differently, but I do know I wouldn’t have killed him right away (if that was absolutely I’d have waited until Episode IX) and if it would have been my choice to do so it definitely wouldn’t be as some lame *** projection.

The line that Kylo speaks: “let the past die, kill it if you have to” along with things like the lightsaber toss to me show Johnson’s complete lack of respect for the franchise and the fans of it. It’s basically like he’s saying: I don’t care about the past of this franchise, I don’t care about the fans or their expectations; all I care about is my film and the story I want to tell, everything else be damned. That’s a messed up way to handle a beloved franchise like this. If he didn’t know he was making a divisive film he must have been completely blind to his own vision of what he was going for.

 

[Adam1138]

Here’s why I disagree with you that he didn’t know he was making a divisive film. All the questions posed by The Force Awakens were essentially disregarded. Characters were wasted and handled poorly. You can argue that he went in a different direction than expected, but I pretty much view his handling of the plots presented as being tossed out and characters made into jokes as something he did because he thought he was being clever or something.

Rey’s parents. They’re just no one. She’s just an anomaly of the Force. Just an over-powered person for absolutely no reason. I say over-powered because she can essentially do it all by the end of the first film (weild a lightsaber and win a duel, use Force powers with no training, and on top of those two skills is also a pretty decent pilot). Some of the over-powered aspects of her fall on Abrams, but Johnson still gave a complete non-answer on why she might be important.

Snoke. Complete joke of a character that’s taken out like a chump. I can’t agree with him being just a stock villain character as we don’t see him do much of anything to really determine that’s the case. The potential to do something interesting with him was there. That potential was just not expanded on.

The Knights of Ren. Not even acknowledged by the film.

Finn. Standout character from The Force Awakens is given one of the stupidest and most pointless subplots in any Star Wars film. It almost would have been better if we wasn’t in the film because he’s completely wasted and feels like an afterthought.

Same with Poe. Sure he “learns a lesson” but only in the most completely forced way possible by the overbearing stupidity of Holdo.

And then there’s Luke. Now look I’ll say this the fact that he’s a grumpy old man who’s in isolation on Ach-To isn’t what bothers me most with his character. I could actually buy that to be truthful. Where it took a turn for me is his death by far. I’d actually be a lot more accepting of him in the film if he didn’t die in it. Especially in the fashion that he did. Luke is Star Wars to a lot of us and to have him go out how he did is just a massive disappointment.

I don’t know exactly what I’d have done differently, but I do know I wouldn’t have killed him and if it would have been my choice to do so it definitely wouldn’t be as some lame *** projection.

The line that Kylo speaks: “let the past die, kill it if you have to” along with things like the lightsaber toss to me show Johnson’s complete lack of respect for the franchise and the fans of it. It’s basically like he’s saying: I don’t care about the past of this franchise, I don’t care about the fans or their expectations; all I care about is my film and the story I want to tell, everything else be damned. That’s a messed up way to handle a beloved franchise like this. If he didn’t know he was making a divisive film he must be completely blind to his own vision of what he was going for.

/\ This exactly!
TFA and TLJ have been the biggest, most disappointing films I have ever witnessed. To the point where I’m constantly questioning wether I should continue my obsession with Star Wars. For me these films have really tainted the franchise beyond repair.

 

[Smash]

Here’s why I disagree with you that he didn’t know he was making a divisive film. All the questions posed by The Force Awakens were essentially disregarded. Characters were wasted and handled poorly. You can argue that he went in a different direction than expected, but I pretty much view his handling of the plots presented as being tossed out and characters made into jokes as something he did because he thought he was being clever or something.

Rey’s parents. They’re just no one. She’s just an anomaly of the Force. Just an over-powered person for absolutely no reason. I say over-powered because she can essentially do it all by the end of the first film (weild a lightsaber and win a duel, use Force powers with no training, and on top of those two skills is also a pretty decent pilot). Some of the over-powered aspects of her fall on Abrams, but Johnson still gave a complete non-answer on why she might be important.

Snoke. Complete joke of a character that’s taken out like a chump. I can’t agree with him being just a stock villain character as we don’t see him do much of anything to really determine that’s the case. The potential to do something interesting with him was there. That potential was just not expanded on.

The Knights of Ren. Not even acknowledged by the film.

Finn. Standout character from The Force Awakens is given one of the stupidest and most pointless subplots in any Star Wars film. It almost would have been better if we wasn’t in the film because he’s completely wasted and feels like an afterthought.

Same with Poe. Sure he “learns a lesson” but only in the most completely forced way possible by the overbearing stupidity of Holdo.

And then there’s Luke. Now look I’ll say this, the fact that he’s a grumpy old man who’s in isolation on Ach-To isn’t what bothers me most with his character. I could actually buy that to be truthful. Where it took a turn for me is his death by far. I’d actually be a lot more accepting of him in the film if he didn’t die in it. Especially in the fashion that he did. Luke is Star Wars to a lot of us and to have him go out how he did is just a massive disappointment.

I don’t know exactly what I’d have done differently, but I do know I wouldn’t have killed him right away (if that was absolutely I’d have waited until Episode IX) and if it would have been my choice to do so it definitely wouldn’t be as some lame *** projection.

The line that Kylo speaks: “let the past die, kill it if you have to” along with things like the lightsaber toss to me show Johnson’s complete lack of respect for the franchise and the fans of it. It’s basically like he’s saying: I don’t care about the past of this franchise, I don’t care about the fans or their expectations; all I care about is my film and the story I want to tell, everything else be damned. That’s a messed up way to handle a beloved franchise like this. If he didn’t know he was making a divisive film he must have been completely blind to his own vision of what he was going for.

The last portion of your post misses the entire point of the movie. The whole point of the movie is learning from the past, not killing it. Every one of the other points you're complaining about has been debated and rebutted to death. Things like Rey's parents, Snoke, etc... JJ never even had a clue about. Maybe you should blame JJ for setting up just a retread of the OT. Is that what you would have preferred?

Why does every Jedi/force user suddenly need to be part of a specific bloodline or something? That didn't even ****ing matter until the prequels made Anakin space jesus. Luke's importance in the OT being Vader's son was never about Luke's power, it was about his familial tie with Vader and his ability to save his father. That's why Luke was "the only hope". Go watch some vids with Lucas talking about the story of the original trilogy if you still think it's about Luke being space jesus 2. And frankly, wouldn't that be more boring if Rey were Luke's kid? It's what tons of people expected when they yawned at TFA being the OT greatest hits remix.

Piloting a ship = something literally every character in 1-6 has been able to do without any prior explanation and people have never had an issue with it. She gives the same verbal explanations Luke does before piloting the first time on screen, she also gives explanation after about how she has flown before.

Using a lightsaber in TFA = Using a melee weapon. We see her defend herself with her staff earlier in the film, and it's not hard to deduce she's done it before in the last 15 or so years she was on Jakku. Besides, need you be reminded she was fighting someone who was just shot in the gut with the bowcaster that blows **** up and also killed his dad and was mentally messed up? Even then, she's running away for like 90% of the fight. At the end when she downs Kylo, she starts using the saber more like a staff.

Force powers = She uses very few powers in the movies so far. Mind trick once in TFA, pulls a saber once in TFA, lifts rocks at the end of TLJ. The two thing she does in TFA are things we've seen characters do without giving it a second thought numerous times. In ESB, the force is about belief. It's not Yoda saying "you need 5 years before you unlock this skill, 10 before this". Luke sucked when he met Yoda because he didn't believe in the things the force could do, as he wasn't really sure what it was. He only just heard about Jedi from Obi-Wan awhile earlier. "I don't believe it" "That is why you fail." And in the latter half of TFA, she's had a decent amount of guidance and explanation about the force from Luke. The way the rocks scene was portrayed could have had a little more to it, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. Again, this is a space fantasy with green midgets flipping around like ping pong balls fighting Christopher Lee. So, not sure where the whole over-powered thing comes from. I can understand a complaint that you think the progression is too quick, that's totally valid IMO. But she's no more powerful in the movies than any other Jedi, apprentice, or force user we've seen on screen in the films or tv shows. The potential might be there, but we haven't seen her do anything insane. I'd argue the most powerful display of the force was from Luke at the end.

What would you have liked Snoke to be? Did you want him to give a monologue during the movie about his entire past and how he's connected to a character 80% of audiences don't care about? Would you prefer if he lived into 9 so that it could be ROTJ 2.0? If Snoke were going to be explained in any way and expanded on, it should have been done in TFA. He was never interesting to begin with, he simply existed as the emperor figure for Kylo in TFA. Why is having something new, like him being dead and Kylo being in charge less exciting to you than another rehash?

Knights of Ren, again - JJ. Could have been in TFA, they're in one shot and mentioned once. Where would they go in TLJ? They're actually mentioned in TLJ (the handful of students Kylo took), but they have no place in that story. Would they just follow Kylo around his ship? They couldn't have been the guards. At least now they have an actual reason and opportunity to suddenly be in IX. It would make sense for Kylo to have them as his personal guard similar to the Praetorians to Snoke.

Finn has an arc in the film, it might not be enjoyable for you, but it exists. Again, what would you have preferred for Finn? It seems like a lot of you guys think a character failing at something they set out to do or messing something up equates to a plot hole. Canto Bight certainly could have been a little more interesting as a whole, but for the character of Finn he has some interesting things going on in the film. He gets to see both sides of the war, how people just like to profit off it, etc - so he can make his decision for himself about what side to join and not who is "good" and "bad".

How is Holdo stupid? Would it make sense for a commander to tell a pilot who just ****ed up and got a ton of people killed their master plan? No, it's not important for the ***** to know what's going on. Poe goes on and screws stuff up further for himself. The only reason the First Order finds out about going to Crait is because Poe, Finn, and Rose.

Luke dies a pacifist on his own terms. No one kills him, Kylo doesn't get the satisfaction of beating him. What Luke does inspires those around the galaxy who were just like him to believe they can be more and for some to join the fight. If he had to die, that's a pretty good way to go. I don't really see him being the type to go out in the glory of battle or something like that.

Anyway, everything I just said has been said by tons of others a million times before. If you don't like the movie, good for you. But I think a lot of your complaints about things like Rey and Snoke are misplaced on Rian, when your real issue is with JJ. And if you honestly think the message was "let the past die!", then yeah you missed the point of the movie.