Action Figure Hot Toys - VGM17 - Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance - Raiden

[Jameson Rook]

how bout Twin Snake?

I only played MGS3 once, not even tried Subsistence coz not a 60's fan. MGS4 was nice to look at and casual gaming, i love the soundtracks on the codecs & the outfits you can choose from. Policenauts, Snatcher, way better soundtrack than all MGS series.

I liked Twin Snakes a lot aside from some cringe worthy cutscenes, but I don't blame Kitamura for that, it's Kojima's explicit orders to have the cinematics as different and over the top as possible, not Kitamura's. I interchange between playing MGS1 and TTS every now and then.

The 60's setting of MGS3 doesn't bother me, the campy presentation and lame Power Rangers bosses does. Like some others have said, it feels like a dumbed down MGS game.

 

[Frank Jaeger]

I'll just leave this here, Raiden was never a 'Snake' because he was never given the codename by the real commander of Foxhound (the unit had been disbanded at the time of MGS2 anyway)

Technically he didn't even really get the codename Raiden, as it would be the same as me just giving myself the Codename Snake right now

 

[CollectorGuy]

yes from the gamers point of view he only had the Snake codesign for 10 seconds (seriously?), but from storyline wise, can't remember but was he assigned as Snake on site too? Snake was just 1 of the callsign in Foxhound, as long as the person possess the skills & ability that suited the callsign. The reason it was changed to Raiden was because they don't want to confuse between Solid Snake and Snake. but still the fact that Raiden beared the Snake callsign, and if it weren't for the mission confusion he'd still be called Snake. anyway same thing for Big Boss, no one would call Big Boss snake unless they are talking about MGS3, so that sounds right too not to treat Raiden as Snake, unless you are talking about MGS2.

Again ur wrong is that assumption. He was given the codename snake from an AI! Not from foxhound who was disbanded. He was never given that codename in any real capacity except for GW's shadow moses simulation. And talking about raiden's skills, he was a total noob at 1st and would have been killed if snake hadn't come along. He was hardly worth of the codename snake.

 

[potato]

I'll just leave this here, Raiden was never a 'Snake' because he was never given the codename by the real commander of Foxhound (the unit had been disbanded at the time of MGS2 anyway)

Technically he didn't even really get the codename Raiden, as it would be the same as me just giving myself the Codename Snake right now

well you can argue the Snake given to Raiden is different from the Snake officially from Foxhound, but you can also say a Colonel in America cannot be considered as a Colonel in UK unless there's some joint operation where both parties accept each other's rank officially, but that doesn't stop a US Colonel from calling a British Colonel "Colonel", right? i mean you know what i'm trying to say?

and we aren't talking about some small time soldier calling Raiden Snake, or Raiden, it's a small elite organization even if it's controlled by an A.I, or an A.I whom the Patriots are behind.

 

[CollectorGuy]

well you can argue the Snake given to Raiden is different from the Snake officially from Foxhound, but you can also say a Colonel in America cannot be considered as a Colonel in UK unless there's some joint operation where both parties accept each other's rank officially, but that doesn't stop a US Colonel from calling a British Colonel "Colonel", right? i mean you know what i'm trying to say?

and we aren't talking about some small time soldier calling Raiden Snake, or Raiden, it's a small elite organization even if it's controlled by an A.I, or an A.I whom the Patriots are behind.

NO!!!! If its not from foxhound its not a real rank/codename

 

[potato]

Again ur wrong is that assumption. He was given the codename snake from an AI! Not from foxhound who was disbanded. He was never given that codename in any real capacity except for GW's shadow moses simulation. And talking about raiden's skills, he was a total noob at 1st and would have been killed if snake hadn't come along. He was hardly worth of the codename snake.

Does it mean Solidus, the VP, was not considered as Snake? Since he wasn't given the Snake codename by Foxhound.

 

[CollectorGuy]

Does it mean Solidus, the VP, was not considered as Snake? Since he wasn't given the Snake codename by Foxhound.

Its never said where he got the name snake from, I can acknowledge that he was 1 of the 3 snake clones so that would at least
say that he is skilled enough/worthy enough to carry the name if need be. Not really enough is known about george sears though as he was a secret 3rd snake clone. Raiden just no.

 

[Frank Jaeger]

You actually raise a decent point there potato regarding Solidus' codename.

It never really explains why he's called Snake, so maybe he isn't a true code name Snake in terms of being given the title by Foxhound no. They just gave it him as both Solid and Liquid attained it from Foxhound so they shoehorned Solidus with it too for ease of relation for the player

 

[Plastic Bateman]

Its never said where he got the name snake from, I can acknowledge that he was 1 of the 3 snake clones so that would at least
say that he is skilled enough/worthy enough to carry the name if need be. Not really enough is known about george sears though as he was a secret 3rd snake clone. Raiden just no.

He was masquerading as Solid Snake. 'Solidus' seems to have been some kind of designation the Patriots gave him, just like 'Solid' and 'Liquid' for the other two, but Snake was a title he gave himself. 'Solidus Snake' seems to have been a name adopted by Konami and its licensees for the sakes of convenience, as the only names the character's actually known by in the games, to the best of my recollection, are Solid Snake, Solidus and George Sears.

Pity they didn't go with Best President Ever.

 

[Solidus]

Solidus may have been involved with Foxhound at one point in time, especially considering his military career in the Liberian Civil War. He is a "Snake", and I think there has to a good reason for it, aside from just being an honorary title that he inherited from Big Boss.

 

[Solidus]

So, did any of you guys get Flex'd for this figure as yet? I got charged a few days ago for my first payment. I just hope there aren't any delays...

 

[CollectorGuy]

I went the bbts route to avoid the deposit in case I canceled the figure later. Im still waiting to see if this comes out good or not.

 

[Solidus]

Good idea. The arms are the biggest concern, I guess. It'd be really disappointing if the overall figure doesn't articulate very well.

 

[potato]

He was masquerading as Solid Snake. 'Solidus' seems to have been some kind of designation the Patriots gave him, just like 'Solid' and 'Liquid' for the other two, but Snake was a title he gave himself. 'Solidus Snake' seems to have been a name adopted by Konami and its licensees for the sakes of convenience, as the only names the character's actually known by in the games, to the best of my recollection, are Solid Snake, Solidus and George Sears.

Pity they didn't go with Best President Ever.

alright, when the in game doesn't explain it you can always pull out something outside the game. anyway i have no doubt Solidus is Snake, i'm just not convinced his Snake was given by Foxhound.

the 3 Cloned "Snakes" were created outside Foxhound, Foxhound was merely an organization to put Liquid & then Solid in it and both were given the codename Snake. I'm not sure how Solidus can be involved with Foxhound since Solidus was the youngest Snake, unless there's a time gap between Colonel Campbell & Solid's arrival & Liquid's departure where Solidus joined Foxhound, since non of them were aware of Solidus until late in the game.

also regarding the honorary thing, as someone pointed out, you ain't a Snake unless you are given the codename Snake within Foxhound's rank. so if Solidus can be considered as a true snake, Raiden could too even though Raiden is not blood related to any of the Snakes.

i never played MG1 & 2, i'm not sure whether there was a point Solid, like Raiden, would have ended up dead if it weren't for someone else's help. can't remember if there were such incidents for Big Boss too. everyone makes mistakes, even the best whom earns the title "Snake". Raiden, as much as some of you folks hate to admit, posses the skills to be called Snake even though he might not be as resourceful as Solid or Big Boss or Liquid.

 

[Snake Plissken]

alright, when the in game doesn't explain it you can always pull out something outside the game. anyway i have no doubt Solidus is Snake, i'm just not convinced his Snake was given by Foxhound.

the 3 Cloned "Snakes" were created outside Foxhound, Foxhound was merely an organization to put Liquid & then Solid in it and both were given the codename Snake. I'm not sure how Solidus can be involved with Foxhound since Solidus was the youngest Snake, unless there's a time gap between Colonel Campbell & Solid's arrival & Liquid's departure where Solidus joined Foxhound, since non of them were aware of Solidus until late in the game.

also regarding the honorary thing, as someone pointed out, you ain't a Snake unless you are given the codename Snake within Foxhound's rank. so if Solidus can be considered as a true snake, Raiden could too even though Raiden is not blood related to any of the Snakes.

i never played MG1 & 2, i'm not sure whether there was a point Solid, like Raiden, would have ended up dead if it weren't for someone else's help. can't remember if there were such incidents for Big Boss too. everyone makes mistakes, even the best whom earns the title "Snake". Raiden, as much as some of you folks hate to admit, posses the skills to be called Snake even though he might not be as resourceful as Solid or Big Boss or Liquid.

FOX-HOUND wasn't made for the Snakes. Big Boss comes back to the states after TPP to form it, to be close to Zero.

All of Big Boss's sons were given the name at birth, Raiden's codename Snake was only for recreating Shadow Moses.

No one earns Snake, it's not a FOX-HOUND given name. Snake was already predetermined to get that name before he even joined, the same with Liquid.

 

[Solidus]

FOX-HOUND wasn't made for the Snakes. Big Boss comes back to the states after TPP to form it, to be close to Zero.

All of Big Boss's sons were given the name at birth, Raiden's codename Snake was only for recreating Shadow Moses.

No one earns Snake, it's not a FOX-HOUND given name. Snake was already predetermined to get that name before he even joined, the same with Liquid.

That's the best explanation. And you're absolutely right, I just remembered that Snake isn't a Fox-Hound rank. The highest achievable rank in the unit is "Fox", and that title was held by Frank Jaeger.

i never played MG1 & 2

That's the biggest issue there, and why no one takes you seriously.

Edit: I'm sorry, I misread those as "MGS" 1 and 2. I still have my doubts that you've played them, though .

 

[Snake Plissken]

That's the best explanation. And you're absolutely right, I just remembered that Snake isn't a Fox-Hound rank. The highest achievable rank in the unit is "Fox", and that title was held by Frank Jaeger.



That's the biggest issue there, and why no one takes you seriously.

I was going to mention that, "Fox" is the highest regarding rank in the unit. Snake was just another soldier codename that was only held by two members and didn't hold any real value on the surface to people who didn't know it's origins.

I seriously doubt there was other soldiers with the codename Snake in FOX-HOUND. And until proven otherwise, it stands there was only two.

 

[CollectorGuy]

Right its a codename not an actual rank but it is given by foxhound none the less. They did it as kind of a tradition
for operatives on their sneaking missions, to honor naked snake since he was the 1st spy that got it. Only liquid and solid
were ever given it though.

 

[potato]

FOX-HOUND wasn't made for the Snakes. Big Boss comes back to the states after TPP to form it, to be close to Zero.

All of Big Boss's sons were given the name at birth, Raiden's codename Snake was only for recreating Shadow Moses.

No one earns Snake, it's not a FOX-HOUND given name. Snake was already predetermined to get that name before he even joined, the same with Liquid.

so was Big Boss also born a snake? he was given the Codename Naked Snake by Major Zero in FOX. Fox is different from Foxhound even though it comprises previous members from Fox. Solid Snake was born David, later given codename Solid Snake by the secret project. So technically speaking the Big Boss's Snake & Solid/Liquid/Solidus's Snake Codename are given in different manner, one can say they inherited the codename which was determined by the project team, a project that was created by the Patriots, the same Patriots that created the A.I which gave Raiden his Snake codename.

Just now someone was insisting Snake codename must be within Foxhound ranks, which some dismissed when i mention about Solidus, now can we all agree that the codename Snake was simply given by the same group under different names including the one given to Raiden by GW, part of the Patriots AI? Or do we still want to see Raiden as an Outcast among the Snakes? Sure he ditched his Snake in preference of Raiden, but fact is he was once a Snake, just like Big Boss.

 

[Snake Plissken]

But they were designated it at birth, it's not an actual codename and more of an actual name. They weren't designed to be regular people, obviously. They were created to be tools, and weapons. They're not people to their creators.