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Re: New forum rule

No offense but I think it can be much simpler than all the rules and regulations you posted.
Keeping things user friendly is in the best interest of the site and running it like the military is a real turn off for everybody.

Because Dave running the risk of being sued and this forum being shut down is worth you getting your bootlegs. :rolleyes:
 
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Because Dave running the risk of being sued and this forum being shut down is worth you getting your bootlegs. :rolleyes:

I wasn't responding to Dave's post. I just didn't want to quote GordonGekko since his post was so long.

I also am not interested in buying any bootlegs as you say. So before you accuse someone of something at least know what you are talking about.
 
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I wasn't responding to Dave's post. I just didn't want to quote GordonGekko since his post was so long.

I also am not interested in buying any bootlegs as you say. So before you accuse someone of something at least know what you are talking about.

You keep posting against the new rules. If it doesn't pertain to you, then why bother? :dunno

I don't see this as anything else than Dave covering his ass (rightfully so), addressing a legitimate issue (whether you like it or not, it's illegal) and still giving us the ability to enjoy the forum. "Running it like the military" as your over dramatized post claims, would be him putting an end to customs PERIOD and banning any individual who was against the new rule.
 
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If it doesn't pertain to you, then why bother? :dunno I don't see this as anything else than Dave covering his ass (rightfully so), addressing a legitimate issue (whether you like it or not, it's illegal) and still giving us the ability to enjoy the forum.

Not that it is any of your business but what pertains to me is the 1/6 sculptures which DAVE IS STILL ALLOWING. That is the post I was addressing, So stop looking to get in a pissing match.

"Running it like the military" as your over dramatized post claims,

For the second time, I said I was addressing Gordongekkos post. He used the term "It's like the military". Please try reading all the posts involved before jumping to conclusions.
 
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AS for the sideshow license problem, I don't see it being a big issue since it only affects the 1/4 statue makers

Since I realize ppl are still confused with the rule, let me try to rephrase it for the Xth time

The new rule prohibits the mass production of customs and statues of properties that sideshow toys, as well as other companies own. I believe this rule has been created because of how SS has recently been pumpin the 1/4 comicbook line.

That means one cannot make a 1/6 joe baroness custom nor a 1/4 statue of a naked Marvel Black Cat for the intention to make a dozen to sell on this site

One can still make 1/6 figures with parts you have made or bought elsewhere, but you can really try to sell said piece publicly. If you whipped up an awsome Indy head for your custom and someone wants ya to make a duplicate of it, it is possible but through pms or email/site

Darklord Dave does not want to remove the sales of 1/6 heads especally those that are made, therefore, people like Serang and Spencer can do whatever they have been doing before by showing off their heads and directing the customers to their site for purchase

As for 1/6 commissions, those are affected as in they are now done through private messages

So if you want to commission a head, you still can but now you have to resort to email/pm for interest or sales. I believe that once the head is near finished, you can display the head here (Dave allows finished heads to be shown here) though all sales and additional info are through pm or other site.

Also, if l am not mistaken and read correctly, 1/6 customs can still be sold but they cannot be mass produced to make a profit and they should be listed on the for sale area here. If I am wrong, please correct me, DD.



DoomSaber es tu new Board ADMINISTRATOR?
 
Re: New forum rule

I really don't see what the problem is here?
Somebody makes a nice custom, they make a thread and post a pic of it.
Then if you like it and want to know more, you PM them.
Then it's out of Dave's hands and everybodys happy
 
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Well, if you understand the issue, why are you still crying about it? :lol

Answer: Because it is allowed and was asked for.

Of course I'm open to suggestions. This is a separate issue from the the bootleg product, so I'm pretty free to decide how these things are handled here. None of the collectibles companies really care about random portraits unless someone is offering multiples of a fully produced figure.
 
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DoomSaber es tu new Board ADMINISTRATOR?

LOL No. Sorry if it may seem like that, but I am not an administrator, just a newbie. I just wanted to make Darlord Dave's post clear to people since a lot of ppl still don't get it fully.
 
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I really don't see what the problem is here?
Somebody makes a nice custom, they make a thread and post a pic of it.
Then if you like it and want to know more, you PM them.
Then it's out of Dave's hands and everybodys happy

although you understand the new rules, I do not think every poster does, so they panic

Also, some are afraid that the new rule will stop group commissions, which is one of the big attractions that this site offered.
 
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although you understand the new rules, I do not think every poster does, so they panic

Also, some are afraid that the new rule will stop group commissions, which is one of the big attractions that this site offered.

The rules don't stop wish lists. I guess the Custom guys will now have to look at those. You could make a thread that say's I wish Sideshow would make.....
 
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I don't see why that would be Dave's problem anyway. If Freak 123 makes the business deal with sculptor A, why is it Dave's responsibility to get Freak 123's money back if Sculptor A screws him over?! In all honesty, it's a personal problem. ^^^^^ing about it here would only further the incentive to ban any and all customs outright.

Its Dave problem if Daves ordered a sculpt or paint from the guy

Im not saying he gets involved Im saying he allows an open thread to discuss whose paid the guy and hasnt received any product or refund passed an agreed deadline

That way it stops those who have seen the posted sculpt/paint from paying anymore money
 
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Its Dave problem if Daves ordered a sculpt or paint from the guy

Im not saying he gets involved Im saying he allows an open thread to discuss whose paid the guy and hasnt received any product or refund passed an agreed deadline

That way it stops those who have seen the posted sculpt/paint from paying anymore money

Granted, but it also promotes the continual BS across the forums. I understand freaks being mad at being taken, but there's gotta be some limit. I've seen the Howes mess spread like wildfire from his own threads, to the Indy forum (where to my knowledge, there was never any work nor any petitions for it) and even in some other places it shouldn't be.

Does the feedback rating display negatives? That might be a better route, but would require stiff policing to ensure all the feedback is valid.
 
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The rules don't stop wish lists. I guess the Custom guys will now have to look at those. You could make a thread that say's I wish Sideshow would make.....

you are right if you word it that way. The rules is made to stop those various interest threads where somebody askes for a certain hs to be made, but doesn't follow through once there is a list and a sculptor picks it up.

I see what you mean since if someone makes a 'l wish sideshow would make .....' topic and have ppl state their wishes, it would not really be against the forum.
 
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You keep posting against the new rules. If it doesn't pertain to you, then why bother? :dunno

I don't see this as anything else than Dave covering his ass (rightfully so), addressing a legitimate issue (whether you like it or not, it's illegal) and still giving us the ability to enjoy the forum. "Running it like the military" as your over dramatized post claims, would be him putting an end to customs PERIOD and banning any individual who was against the new rule.

I guess it would be if I was actually the one whining about the new rule. ;) But I guess, by your response, you didn't actually read the quote you posted 'cause you haven't offered much but snotty sobs. :dunno

Yeah, because helping fellow freaks understand the new rule isn't as productive as whining about it...:rolleyes:

First I don't see your posts as anything but the whining, and antagonistic type of post you alledge you are against.

Second, I've gone and reread the thread "again". My apologies for not having been able to wrap my head around its barrel full of meanings. In the end, or so it seems, if I now do understand what Dave is wanting, all we really need then is for PM's to be adjusted so that he 100 limit is removed and more business can go thru them.
 
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I have some suggestions for rules for custom commissions. Obviously these are just my opinions and not intended to offend anyone and not trying to assert that my way or way of thinking is the best way or the only way. Grain of salt accordingly.

Suggested Rules
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RULE #1` - Everyone is a guest here ( other than the site owner/site admin) and no one is entitled to any form of commerce. Anything you buy or sell or trade or display for commercial purposes of any kind is a courtesy given to members as guests, it's not a right. It's not something that any member is entitled to for any reason. Any and all commerce related privileges can be revoked, removed, created or reinstated for any reason. If you have a problem with any rules put on site, clearly meant for the greater good, then go start your own commercial site or forum and you are wished the very best of luck in all your commercial endeavors. All guests/members are welcome to make suggestions, but unless you pay the light bill and bandwidth, you only have the right to be heard, not actually listened to, there's a difference.

( First thing to nip, IMHO, is any sense of entitlement. No one is owed jack. Not on site, not in life, not anywhere)

RULE #2 - Barriers to entry. Anyone wanting to sell custom commissions to SSF members, even off site, but use SSF, its features, resources and bandwidth as way to promote your commercial material will be subject to SSF rules. If you don't want to abide by this, promote your work somewhere else and best of luck to you.

Every public for sale custom artist who wants to promote their work can have one sticky thread in a dedicated subforum on the board. This is the place an artist can promote work they can actually sell. The initial post must contain the artists email and samples of their work. No discussion of prices or transaction information will be present in any public post or any PM using SSF resources. Take it to email.


( This isolates the artists and any issues with them in one area)

RULE #3 - To get a sticky post, the artist must have

A) X amount of tenure on SSF based on registration date

B) Y number of individual trade references on SSF for either trade/sale/buy

C) Z number of posts on SSF

X, Y and Z will be determined by SSF Staff. Existing approved artist will be grandfathered in.

( This ensures the artist is an active member of the community, which decreases any incentive to grab cash and run. The grandfathering ensures the minimization of lactating and complaining by folks who have done some custom work in the past)

RULE #4 - Full Transparency. Each artist will

A) List each person who has paid by user name and amount total paid, but no other information, in chronological order.

B) Be required to complete items on the list in chronological order, no "leapfrogging"

C) Each entry will have date of commission started, date of payment and date of commission completed when done.

D) Payments will only be allowed through PayPal

E) All commissions, once paid, have 40 days to completion. Buyers are encouraged to file with PayPal for non performance at day 40.

F) Whenever total commission dollar amount reach 1000 dollars, no more new commissions can be added to the list until a previous one has been completed.

G) Custom artists are expected to maintain their thread. If you don't want to do it, sell somewhere else and good luck to you.

H) Any ten individual incidents of non compliance in the thread and the thread will be locked, no more commissions can be taken and you can never promote your custom work for sale on SSF ever again.

( This achieves multiple things, IMHO. First each potential buyer has a chance to see how "stacked" the artist is. Second, the artist has incentives in place to do fast turnaround. If they can't, then don't sell it. Third, no leapfrogging saves the acrimony of people the artist really likes or hates getting their stuff first. It just creates bad blood. Fourth, artists are forced to give regular updates, preventing angry threads about wheres my stuff. Fifth, people can see if the artist has really horrible turn around times, and can avoid them accordingly. Sixth, there are money and time hardcaps, including the ability to file a PayPal claim, which removes the pure money enforcement burden away from SSF and into another service's hands. )

RULE #5 ( aka The Howes Rule) - No more proxies of any kind. No more being a middleman to facilitate a sale with third party money. No more being a "voice" to update buyers because the artist doesn't want to do it. No promotion of any artists work for them in any way.

( The problem with proxies is they can front their rep, encourage a third party to take a majority of the risk and financial hit and then later walk away and say they sent a few emails but they have no control over it.

RULE #6 - If at any point, 5 sticky threads and their artists go out of compliance, the entire section will be deleted and no more custom commission work can ever be promoted on SSF again. Forever.

( The burden of keeping a custom artist honest should be on his custom artist brothers. There is an implied self interest for artists to regulate themselves and each other. It's like the military, even if you didn't do it, it's your fault. It's your fault for being there and not stopping it. Artists are encouraged to make sure their brother artist are in compliance. No offense to any artist here, but you can't just lay all this on Howes, many of you probably by action or inaction helped to bring the rule changes onto yourselves.

My view on it. Grain of salt accordingly.

Gekko

I'm sorry Gekko... but if these rules were really in effect here... I'd be gone and I wouldn't look back. Putting all of this into effect because some ********* took advantage is a huge mistake, and I would happily turn away and never come back if it got that bad. Thankfully, that's not the case.

And this looking out for other artists BS... I saw it coming with Howes. But if I would have said a damn word, people would have thought I hated the competition or was out to get him personally. So I was unable to comment. I just hoped people could watch out for themselves and pay attention to the signs. I have enough to worry about, without having to concern myself with what the other artists of the board do, and vice versa.

And Dave, I have to disagree about the full figures being 1% of what goes on here. I've completely halted work on repaints, because they are tedious and slow me down... and because I would rather do full figures. Other artists on the board also do a lot of full figure work. Granted, that isn't where the commission threads come from.

But my full figures are ALL from licenses, so I can't very well be exempt from the rules or else the rule has no power. I don't own the license to Halloween or to Friday the 13th, to to any of the other films I plan on making figures from in the future. And I have made many more than 5 for most of the figures I make. So that puts me in direct violation of the new rule.

It's ok though, I understand why the rules are getting enforced. I just know it is the end of my customizing on this board. I'm ok with that. I can still post the single figure, but once I am caught up... people will know they will be for sale ( I will do it differently though, as to not get so backed up). But the system is the same. So I will be careful as to not break the rules. I have a feeling however, that very quickly.... People will point to me and say that I am breaking them... and I will have to stop posting work here. I can easily see that happening.

But this is the price we pay for letting things get so out of hand here in the customs section. Just look at the thread list and ask yourself if it's changed. :lol
 
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Josh, I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. The rule is 'Don't do it publicly'. Its like Casablanca when Louis says "I am shocked! Shocked to discover there is gambling going on here!" as he collects his winnings. Its a technicality and when people post their new Myers figure, they just need to PM you for one instead of asking on the public forum. You are even free to say if anyone has questions about this PM me.

GG, I think your rules act as good guidelines for custom artists to follow and if they do many problems will be avoided, however the idea that customizers are a self regulating guild is too much to ask for. Many of them don't know each other, and some live on different continents. A guy who wants to run his business like crap isnt the responsibility of those who run theirs well. Each custom artist is and should be responsible for himself and buyer beware should be the rule of thumb. And lets be honest. If the stars align and Chris Howes knuckles down and produces every figure he has taken money for within the next year, there would be some that would still do business with him.
Everything changes and not all change is good, but it just means you have to change with it.
 
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I have a feeling however, that very quickly.... People will point to me and say that I am breaking them... and I will have to stop posting work here. I can easily see that happening.

You are one of the most popular members on this site, and most of us love to see your work even if we are not buying.
I can't see why anybody would complain as long as you're sticking to the rules. If they do, then they must be some kind of doucebag
 
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But i would still like to see the PM's go unlimited. It would serve as a standing record fopr those taking orders via them of where each party stands. And, if all orders are being forced to PM, it would be the next logical move.
 
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But i would still like to see the PM's go unlimited. It would serve as a standing record fopr those taking orders via them of where each party stands. And, if all orders are being forced to PM, it would be the next logical move.

Those earlier posts you quoted weren't directed at you, but I think you know that. As for the comment above, I agree and that is the only problem with the new rule. The PM limitation. However, if the reason the forums keep slowing down and crashing is memory, it seems that upping the PM limit would only contribute to that.
 
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