Indiana Jones & The Kingdom of The Crystal Skull Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

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But that is what the original films were built to be. They were homages to the Republic serials of the 30's. They were always over the top, the hero always managed to survive crazy situations and they ALWAYS kept their hats on. The Indy films were made to reflect those serials.

And they were very much B movies. :lol

Based on what you and Carl are saying, that's probably why I felt like KOTCS didn't fit with the other Indy films. I didnt know that in addition to reflecting the looks of the time periods, they were refelecting films styles and the 20 years difference would make them feel separate.

I think Indy as a goofy movie is personified in Raiders by the Cairo market scene; the basket chase, the showdown with the swordsman and shooting him with the gun, goofy stuff, but fun and entertaining.
 
You left out the Hindu gods that were credited as real in TOD. The series had already established multiple gods that contradict each other, so aliens fit right in IMO.

Exactly. Also, as someone who personally believes in both a Higher Power (yes, even Jesus) and alien life I still can't figure out why people think one has to count out the other. Well, unless you can't be open-minded and think all of these great mysteries can even be fully understood by man.
 
No way. They were made in the same spirit but never considered that by the public, critics, or fans. That is like calling Star Wars a B movie becuse Lucas was influenced by serials. Just because they were influenced by them does not mean they are or were them.

Not saying THEY themselves are B movies, just that they follow the same structure due to being built as an homage to those films. So it goes to say that some things are going to be over the top and not really plausible... as things are in the B movie serials. :lecture
 
Yep. They even mentioned it explicitly: The Mitchell-Hedges Skull.

And the Nazca Lines... Those are real.

That whole M-H Skull Mythology was debunked. In fact Smithsonian confirmed the Mitchell-Hedges Skull was purchased at an auction, not found in some hole in the ground by his step daughter. Smithsonian also confirmed it and other clear polished skulls were made with modern machine tools. Even Harrison Ford today said (Regis?) that they recently learned the skulls were made with modern machine tools... the actual Mayan skulls were carved with stone tools. But he also talked a little bit about the 13 Skulls Myth. Problem is the Mitchell Hedges skull was machine cut and polished.

One of the problems with this Film is the Mythology wasn't concrete enough IMO, and now it's kind of fallen apart.
 
You have much to learn about the creation and purpose of the INDY films, my friend.

What should I learn? That is wrong too. There is nothing someone must learn to make them like something better. That is like me telling you that you must learn to like Sideshows prices for Star Wars figures. You will tell me to F off and deal with your opinion and I will respect it. Just don't tell me that I am uneducated. Indy was not as good as we wanted and you damn well know it. :lol
 
No way. They were made in the same spirit but never considered that by the public, critics, or fans.
Well, that's on them, because Lucas, Spielberg, Ford, et al (and some of us) have always viewed them that way. These are B-movies done with A-movie production values. AND THEY ARE MEANT TO BE THAT WAY.
 
Plus, I think the Mitchell Hedges skull is privately owned by Bill Homann. NOT the same one at the Smithsonian. That one was found to be man made. It's not as detailed and doesn't have the removable jawbone. But the M-H skull still stands alone as a mystery in and of itself.
 
What should I learn? That is wrong too. There is nothing someone must learn to make them like something better. That is like me telling you that you must learn to like Sideshows prices for Star Wars figures. You will tell me to F off and deal with your opinion and I will respect it. Just don't tell me that I am uneducated. Indy was not as good as we wanted and you damn well know it. :lol

You are completely missing the point, which is that's not an opinion that the INDY movies (all of them) were designed as B-movies... it's FACT. Go read some interviews with Spielberg and Lucas... even ones from way back in the 80s. Besides, it's kinda obvious. All of the movies hit on the beats of the B-movies of the era that they take place in.
 
That whole M-H Skull Mythology was debunked. In fact Smithsonian confirmed the Mitchell-Hedges Skull was purchased at an auction, not found in some hole in the ground by his step daughter. Smithsonian also confirmed it and other clear polished skulls were made with modern machine tools. Even Harrison Ford today said (Regis?) that they recently learned the skulls were made with modern machine tools... the actual Mayan skulls were carved with stone tools. But he also talked a little bit about the 13 Skulls Myth. Problem is the Mitchell Hedges skull was machine cut and polished.

One of the problems with this Film is the Mythology wasn't concrete enough IMO, and now it's kind of fallen apart.

That is not entirely ture either unless you have proof. God forbid that I do actually know this topic. It is claimed that it did go to auction on accident. Hedges claims he bought it back after loaning it to a friend. No one has given proof to debunk this because they don't have access to the piece.
 
Plus, I think the Mitchell Hedges skull is privately owned. NOT the same one at the Smithsonian. That one was found to be man made. But the M-H skull still stands alone as a mystery in and of itself.

Wrong Bro. The M-H Skull was loaned to the Smithsonian to test and they concluded it was machine tooled. They have tested other Clear polished Crystal Skulls as well and determined them to be machine tooled and polished with hi powered machines.

The Smithsonian also confirmed the M-H skull was Purchased at an Auction and produced the Auction records. I think it was made in Germany or something, I forget.. the clear polished skull theory is all BS I'm afraid.

In other words, the clear Crystal skulls were determined NOT to be Pre Columbian. Pre Columbian skulls were carved with stone tools.

See the Documentary.

The M-H Skull was kept by his Step Daughter until she died. She bequeathed it her Husband, who now owns it.
 
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You are completely missing the point, which is that's not an opinion that the INDY movies (all of them) were designed as B-movies... it's FACT. Go read some interviews with Spielberg and Lucas... even ones from way back in the 80s. Besides, it's kinda obvious. All of the movies hit on the beats of the B-movies of the era that they take place in.

Exactly. It's not devaluing the trilogy in any way. But if you watch ANY of the making of docs or read the interviews, you will hear it from the creators themselves. They wanted to make a globetrotting, adventure film in the vein of the Saturday Matinee Republic serials. It's all there...
 
Well, that's on them, because Lucas, Spielberg, Ford, et al (and some of us) have always viewed them that way. These are B-movies done with A-movie production values. AND THEY ARE MEANT TO BE THAT WAY.

I don't know why you're even arguing about this. It's well documented and pretty obvious that this series, and Star Wars as well, is patterned after and an homage to the serials Lucas grew up with.

Save the typing for arguing about how convoluted and poorly written the script was. :p
 
You are completely missing the point, which is that's not an opinion that the INDY movies (all of them) were designed as B-movies... it's FACT. Go read some interviews with Spielberg and Lucas... even ones from way back in the 80s. Besides, it's kinda obvious. All of the movies hit on the beats of the B-movies of the era that they take place in.

You are missing the point. Yes they were made to replicate B movie and to pay homage to them. However, they are not. They are only.... Why bother I could go on but at the end of the day you will not agree nor will I. I will be the bigger man and say the movie was ok at best.
 
That alien at the end was so stupid looking.

The should have had a big reveal of the powerful alien and it was --

CHEWIE. rrraaaarg!
 
With most movies, I usually have to see them at least twice to really form a solid opinion, but after thinking about it most of the day, I think it was probably the best out of the four for several reasons...

First and foremost, for me-Indy beats some major ass. He's punching out folks, swinging shovels at goons, swinging from stuff and crashing cars. I was really hoping that Harrison wouldn't be playing second fiddle to the the new fad LeBeau, but that wasn't the case at all. I thought this movie illustrated the character that's alot more wiser and learned experience. Yeah, I wanted to see a Indy slug-fest. That's the Action Pulp Hero I was looking for. Kudo's to the chorography!
 
I don't know why you're even arguing about this. It's well documented and pretty obvious that this series, and Star Wars as well, is patterned after and an homage to the serials Lucas grew up with.
I thought that was pretty well-documented and obvious, too. :duh

Save the typing for arguing about how convoluted and poorly written the script was. :p
Why? Who on Earth is going to defend that script? :lol
 
Wrong Bro. The M-H Skull was loaned to the Smithsonian to test and they concluded it was machine tooled. They have tested other Clear polished Crystal Skulls as well and determined them to be machine tooled and polished with hi powered machines.

The Smithsonian also confirmed the M-H skull was Purchased at an Auction and produced the Auction records. I think it was made in Germany or something, I forget.. the clear polished skull theory is all BS I'm afraid.

In other words, the clear Crystal skulls were determined NOT to be Pre Columbian. Pre columbian skulls were carved with stone tools.

See the Documentary.

Actually... The M-H skull was only tested by Hewlett Packard, as Anna was very specific about it not being tested. They found that it was made from one solid piece of Quartz, but that was about it.
While in Dorland's care the skull came to the attention of writer Richard Garvin, at the time working at an advertising agency where he supervised Hewlett-Packard's advertising account. Garvin made arrangements for the skull to be examined at HP's crystal labs at Santa Clara, where it was subjected to several tests. The labs determined only that it was not a composite (as Dorland had supposed), but was fashioned from a single crystal of quartz.[17] The lab test also established that the lower jaw had been fashioned from the same left-handed growing crystal as the rest of the skull.[18] No investigation was made by HP as to its method of manufacture or dating.[19]

As well as the traces of mechanical grinding on the teeth noted by Dorland,[20] Mayanist archaeologist Norman Hammond reported that the holes (presumed to be intended for support pegs) showed signs of being made by drilling with metal.[21] Anna Mitchell-Hedges refused subsequent requests to submit the skull to further scientific testing.[22]

F. A. Mitchell-Hedges mentioned the skull only briefly in the first edition of his autobiography, Danger My Ally (1954), without specifying where or by whom it was found.[23] He merely claimed that "it is at least 3,600 years old and according to legend was used by the High Priest of the Maya when performing esoteric rites. It is said that when he willed death with the help of the skull, death invariably followed".[24] All subsequent editions of Danger My Ally omitted mention of the skull entirely.[25]
Eugène Boban, main French dealer in pre-Columbian artifacts during the second half of the 19th century and probable source of many famous skulls
Eugène Boban, main French dealer in pre-Columbian artifacts during the second half of the 19th century and probable source of many famous skulls

The earliest published reference to the skull is the July 1936 issue of the British anthropological journal Man, where it is described as in the possession of Mr. Sydney Burney, a London art dealer said to have owned it since 1933.[26] No mention was made of Mitchell-Hedges. There is documentary evidence that Mitchell-Hedges bought it from Burney in 1944.[27] The skull was in the custody of Anna Mitchell-Hedges, the adopted daughter of Frederick. She steadfastly refused to let it be examined by experts (making very doubtful that claim that it was reported on by R. Stansmore Nutting in 1962). Somewhere between 1988-1990 Anna Mitchell-Hedges toured with the skull. In her last eight years Anna Mitchell-Hedges lived in Chesterton, Indiana, with Bill Homann. He took care of her until she died on 11th of April, 2007. Since that time the Mitchell-Hedges Skull has been in the custody of Bill Homann.

And here about the British Skull...

The crystal skull of the British Museum first appeared in 1881, in the shop of the Paris antiquarian, Eugène Boban. Its origin was not stated in his catalog of the time. He is said to have tried to sell it to Mexico's national museum as an Aztec artifact, but was unsuccessful. Boban later moved his business to New York City, where the skull was sold at auction, and bought by Tiffany and Co., who later sold it at cost to the British Museum in 1897.[28] This skull is very similar to the Mitchell-Hedges skull, although it is less detailed and does not have a movable lower jaw.[29]

The British Museum catalogs the skull's provenance as "probably European, 19th century AD"[30] and describes it as "not an authentic pre-Columbian artifact".[31]

So theory still has holes, but not fully debunked.
 
I think that they're aliens is open to interpretation. The humanoid look to me leaves it open to possiblity they are humans from another Earth.
 
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