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I have to go with the previous couple posts. RDJ is Tony Stark, and I think any tinkering there would be foolish and kill the series.
Gwyneth Paltrow hit all the right notes a Pepper, and likewise would be a blow to lose.
imho, Terence Howard (who is a fine performer mind you) just didn't make the Jim Rhodes character his, and his performance suffered for being next to other actors who found their characters perfectly. Rhodey needs to be more assertive, focused and stronger, and far less of a whiner. Just my $.02
Gwyneth Paltrow hit all the right notes a Pepper, and likewise would be a blow to lose.
imho, Terence Howard (who is a fine performer mind you) just didn't make the Jim Rhodes character his, and his performance suffered for being next to other actors who found their characters perfectly. Rhodey needs to be more assertive, focused and stronger, and far less of a whiner. Just my $.02
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Bingo. Although I loved Paltrow as Pepper, I think a recast if it came to that would do fine as well as long as they went with substance over appeal but RDJ IS Tony Stark. Any change in that character would really ruin the films for me not to mention I'd safely bet that anyone who'd step into that role would end up trying to emulate RDJ's performance and really fall flat.
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Justin Theroux on Iron Man 2
Posted by Jenna Busch on 11/21 at 06:42 PM
UGO: You got involved with the script for Iron Man 2 because of your work with Robert Downey Jr…
JT: Robert introduced me to those guys over at Marvel.
UGO: How psyched were you?
JT: I was sooo damn psyched! Are you kidding me? It’s like a dream job. Happy to take that meeting.
UGO: So where are you with the script at this point?
JT: We’ve kind of got a first draft around. You know what I mean? I just got back from London where I was working with Robert and Kevin Feige. He was out there. We were talking with Robert, who’s out there doing Sherlock Holmes, he was giving his input and his notes. We’re sort of there. It’s just sort of chugging along. The crews, I think, are now starting to see what they need to make, and the places that we might be going and all the rest within the story. That’s sort of one of the more exciting times.
UGO: So you weren’t involved in the whole Don Cheadle/ Terrence Howard were and you want to tell me something…
JT: No, I wasn’t. I genuinely wasn’t. (laughs)
UGO: There have been reports that the role of War Machine was scaled back and then beefed up.
JT: No, that’s all nonsense. Whatever their reason is, I’ll leave that up to Marvel. We’re writing the thing, virtually the same for Rhodey that we would for any actor. We’re really taking what’s going to be the most interesting story for the fans, and what are they going to enjoy watching. And who ever’s in that part is going to have to play that part and make it work for Jon (Favreau) and the fans who are watching the movie.
UGO: So the size of the role wasn’t ever changed?
JT: No. God, no.
UGO: So did you have to, or did you try to accommodate Don Cheadle’s acting style?
JT: I think that will probably be something that comes up...I haven’t met Don, and I think I’m going to in a little bit and I think once I get a better sense of his voice and also hear what he has to say about what he likes about the character and just pick his brain a little bit, then we’ll obviously start to tailor it to him. Once he sort of gets more involved in the process then we’ll start tapering the length of his character...making it fit just right.
UGO: Everyone’s speculating about the villain. Are we talking Mandarin? Or Evil DJ?
JT: (laughs) I think it’s Evil DJ. He could be the villain in this movie. I don’t know. I mean, I do know but I’m not going to let that cat out. I’ll let Jon start discussing when he thinks it’s the right time.
UGO: Considering that everyone’s coming together for the Avengers movie, were you ever told that certain things had to be in the story or that things had to go a certain way?
JT: No. I mean, I think we’re all sort of conscious of the fact that all these people...it is the Marvel universe, but that’s really about as far as we’ve been made...they haven’t given us any instruction as far as we want you to do this or we want you to do that. And really it’s not really a they/us kind of environment, the way they work. It’s just a bunch of guys and girls sitting in a room, trying to come up with stuff and doing what’s right for the movie and what, at the end of the day, is going to be the most interesting film that can be made. Kind of a fun film. I think once we’re sort of locked on that we’ll be able to think about how we can thread things through. There’s a couple little things that we’ve been working on, but it’s not that we’ve been taking meetings with Avengers people. It’s not like we’re six screenwriters sitting in a room from each movie and thinking about how we’re gonna work on each other’s things.
UGO: Have you written Stan Lee’s cameo yet?
JT: No, I don’t think so. (laughs) I don’t know, I don’t know. Jon will anoint him with that cameo, I’m sure.
UGO: Gwyneth Paltrow is still listed as “rumored”. Is she confirmed?
JT: I don’t know. I don’t know if she’s confirmed or not...I’m planning like she is there but I have no idea.
UGO: Finally, what voice do you think you bring to the script, to make it different from the last one?
JT: I’m not really trying to bring a different voice. I’m trying to mimic and sing in the same key as the script that was there before. If anything, I think I bring a knowledge of the way Robert’s mind works. I’ve worked with him once before. Hopefully I’ve proven I have some modicum of creative relationship with Jon and Marvel. So I really think my job is to work with them and not try and strike any new chords. Of course we want to make the story different and interesting. We want the action to be really good. But I think my job is really just to...serve the ultimate guy, which is Iron Man.
Posted by Jenna Busch on 11/21 at 06:42 PM
UGO: You got involved with the script for Iron Man 2 because of your work with Robert Downey Jr…
JT: Robert introduced me to those guys over at Marvel.
UGO: How psyched were you?
JT: I was sooo damn psyched! Are you kidding me? It’s like a dream job. Happy to take that meeting.
UGO: So where are you with the script at this point?
JT: We’ve kind of got a first draft around. You know what I mean? I just got back from London where I was working with Robert and Kevin Feige. He was out there. We were talking with Robert, who’s out there doing Sherlock Holmes, he was giving his input and his notes. We’re sort of there. It’s just sort of chugging along. The crews, I think, are now starting to see what they need to make, and the places that we might be going and all the rest within the story. That’s sort of one of the more exciting times.
UGO: So you weren’t involved in the whole Don Cheadle/ Terrence Howard were and you want to tell me something…
JT: No, I wasn’t. I genuinely wasn’t. (laughs)
UGO: There have been reports that the role of War Machine was scaled back and then beefed up.
JT: No, that’s all nonsense. Whatever their reason is, I’ll leave that up to Marvel. We’re writing the thing, virtually the same for Rhodey that we would for any actor. We’re really taking what’s going to be the most interesting story for the fans, and what are they going to enjoy watching. And who ever’s in that part is going to have to play that part and make it work for Jon (Favreau) and the fans who are watching the movie.
UGO: So the size of the role wasn’t ever changed?
JT: No. God, no.
UGO: So did you have to, or did you try to accommodate Don Cheadle’s acting style?
JT: I think that will probably be something that comes up...I haven’t met Don, and I think I’m going to in a little bit and I think once I get a better sense of his voice and also hear what he has to say about what he likes about the character and just pick his brain a little bit, then we’ll obviously start to tailor it to him. Once he sort of gets more involved in the process then we’ll start tapering the length of his character...making it fit just right.
UGO: Everyone’s speculating about the villain. Are we talking Mandarin? Or Evil DJ?
JT: (laughs) I think it’s Evil DJ. He could be the villain in this movie. I don’t know. I mean, I do know but I’m not going to let that cat out. I’ll let Jon start discussing when he thinks it’s the right time.
UGO: Considering that everyone’s coming together for the Avengers movie, were you ever told that certain things had to be in the story or that things had to go a certain way?
JT: No. I mean, I think we’re all sort of conscious of the fact that all these people...it is the Marvel universe, but that’s really about as far as we’ve been made...they haven’t given us any instruction as far as we want you to do this or we want you to do that. And really it’s not really a they/us kind of environment, the way they work. It’s just a bunch of guys and girls sitting in a room, trying to come up with stuff and doing what’s right for the movie and what, at the end of the day, is going to be the most interesting film that can be made. Kind of a fun film. I think once we’re sort of locked on that we’ll be able to think about how we can thread things through. There’s a couple little things that we’ve been working on, but it’s not that we’ve been taking meetings with Avengers people. It’s not like we’re six screenwriters sitting in a room from each movie and thinking about how we’re gonna work on each other’s things.
UGO: Have you written Stan Lee’s cameo yet?
JT: No, I don’t think so. (laughs) I don’t know, I don’t know. Jon will anoint him with that cameo, I’m sure.
UGO: Gwyneth Paltrow is still listed as “rumored”. Is she confirmed?
JT: I don’t know. I don’t know if she’s confirmed or not...I’m planning like she is there but I have no idea.
UGO: Finally, what voice do you think you bring to the script, to make it different from the last one?
JT: I’m not really trying to bring a different voice. I’m trying to mimic and sing in the same key as the script that was there before. If anything, I think I bring a knowledge of the way Robert’s mind works. I’ve worked with him once before. Hopefully I’ve proven I have some modicum of creative relationship with Jon and Marvel. So I really think my job is to work with them and not try and strike any new chords. Of course we want to make the story different and interesting. We want the action to be really good. But I think my job is really just to...serve the ultimate guy, which is Iron Man.
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Yep. Rhodes needs to be tougher. I always imagined his voice as much deeper too. I mean - he sounded almost white to me. Think more along the lines of Michael Jai White (the guy who played Al Simmons in Spawn).
I just couldn't his Rhodes telling Tony to go f*#k himself
From MTV:
MTV: As you begin work on the sequel, what can or should be improved upon from the first "Iron Man"?
Downey: Our idea is that this one brings us much more beneath the armor of Tony. It's one thing to say you're Iron Man, but what does it actually mean to become someone that can shoulder that responsibility? As we noticed at the end, he's still not even responsible enough to read off the card that Shield and the government have given him. He still can't help doing his own thing. He'll have to come to terms with that. I think we could have more excitement. We could use a love triangle or two. I think it's really important to keep up that idea of Tony's interfacing with inanimate objects. He's at his greatest ease when he's faced with machines. I would love to see a little shout-out to the fact that he's an MIT graduate. I love the idea of him inviting over a bunch of super-nerds from MIT who wind up figuring into ["Iron Man 3"] a little bit.
MTV: You know that "The Avengers" movie is the one every comic book fan is salivating for.
Downey: That means if we don't get it right, it's really going to suck. It has to be the crowning blow of Marvel's best and brightest, because it's the hardest thing to get right. It's tough to spin all the plates for one of these characters.
MTV: Are you guys discussing "Iron Man 2" as a story that will feed directly into "Avengers"?
Downey: It seems natural that it would at least introduce that factor. My inclination is to bring it another step. The danger you run with colliding all these worlds is that Jon was very certain that "Iron Man" should be set in a very realistic way. Nothing that happened in "Iron Man" is really outside the realm of possibility. Once you start talking about Valhalla and supersized super soldiers and jolly green giants, it warrants much further discussion.
MTV: As you begin work on the sequel, what can or should be improved upon from the first "Iron Man"?
Downey: Our idea is that this one brings us much more beneath the armor of Tony. It's one thing to say you're Iron Man, but what does it actually mean to become someone that can shoulder that responsibility? As we noticed at the end, he's still not even responsible enough to read off the card that Shield and the government have given him. He still can't help doing his own thing. He'll have to come to terms with that. I think we could have more excitement. We could use a love triangle or two. I think it's really important to keep up that idea of Tony's interfacing with inanimate objects. He's at his greatest ease when he's faced with machines. I would love to see a little shout-out to the fact that he's an MIT graduate. I love the idea of him inviting over a bunch of super-nerds from MIT who wind up figuring into ["Iron Man 3"] a little bit.
MTV: You know that "The Avengers" movie is the one every comic book fan is salivating for.
Downey: That means if we don't get it right, it's really going to suck. It has to be the crowning blow of Marvel's best and brightest, because it's the hardest thing to get right. It's tough to spin all the plates for one of these characters.
MTV: Are you guys discussing "Iron Man 2" as a story that will feed directly into "Avengers"?
Downey: It seems natural that it would at least introduce that factor. My inclination is to bring it another step. The danger you run with colliding all these worlds is that Jon was very certain that "Iron Man" should be set in a very realistic way. Nothing that happened in "Iron Man" is really outside the realm of possibility. Once you start talking about Valhalla and supersized super soldiers and jolly green giants, it warrants much further discussion.
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‘Iron Man 2’ Screenwriter Justin Theroux Confesses There Is No Dialogue With Other Marvel Writers
Published by Shawn Adler on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 1:23 pm.
If it wasn’t already, Robert Downey Jr’s recent comments to MTV News make one thing abundantly clear: As the flag bearers and gold standard for Marvel movies, the team behind “Iron Man” feels a great responsibility, not just to their own upcoming sequel, but to other Marvel properties as well.
So now that the “Narnia” duo of Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely have been tapped to pen “Captain America,” it’s a sure bet Downey, Favreau, and screenwriter Justin Theroux are burning through phone cards trying to connect. Right?
Wrong, said Theroux, who told MTV News that there was absolutely no dialogue between other Marvel writers and himself. None.
“You know, there’s NO dialogue right now - in a great way,” the scripter confessed. “I think [Marvel Studios President] Kevin Feige just wants to make sure we can make the best movie that we can make.”
What that means for now is that while Theroux is certain “Iron Man 2” will have even more comic cross-overs (perhaps Thor, perhaps Giant Man, perhaps someone else), he’s insistent he hasn’t yet been burdened with having to be the one to connect them all together – not even when it comes to the superhero tag-team up “Avengers.”
“No, not yet. But that being said, Kevin is in all the meetings for all the movies, and is the sort of connective tissue – the neurons if you will – running between the meetings. Making sure all the things can be connected,” Theroux explained. “But they haven’t burdened us with that yet. We’ve obviously kept an ear out for it, and we’re looking for ways to write that don’t bump [heads]. Once we sort of get to a more stable place at that point, we’ll see where to go from there.
“It’s not like someone holding the back of our necks saying, ‘Don’t forget, you got to write about so and so,’” Theroux continued. “It’s just making sure we get our story straight and great and then once that happens then we’ll be able to take in other obligations.”
Do you think the lack of communication will help or hurt Marvel’s upcoming slate of films? Talk it up in the comments!
Published by Shawn Adler on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 1:23 pm.
If it wasn’t already, Robert Downey Jr’s recent comments to MTV News make one thing abundantly clear: As the flag bearers and gold standard for Marvel movies, the team behind “Iron Man” feels a great responsibility, not just to their own upcoming sequel, but to other Marvel properties as well.
So now that the “Narnia” duo of Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely have been tapped to pen “Captain America,” it’s a sure bet Downey, Favreau, and screenwriter Justin Theroux are burning through phone cards trying to connect. Right?
Wrong, said Theroux, who told MTV News that there was absolutely no dialogue between other Marvel writers and himself. None.
“You know, there’s NO dialogue right now - in a great way,” the scripter confessed. “I think [Marvel Studios President] Kevin Feige just wants to make sure we can make the best movie that we can make.”
What that means for now is that while Theroux is certain “Iron Man 2” will have even more comic cross-overs (perhaps Thor, perhaps Giant Man, perhaps someone else), he’s insistent he hasn’t yet been burdened with having to be the one to connect them all together – not even when it comes to the superhero tag-team up “Avengers.”
“No, not yet. But that being said, Kevin is in all the meetings for all the movies, and is the sort of connective tissue – the neurons if you will – running between the meetings. Making sure all the things can be connected,” Theroux explained. “But they haven’t burdened us with that yet. We’ve obviously kept an ear out for it, and we’re looking for ways to write that don’t bump [heads]. Once we sort of get to a more stable place at that point, we’ll see where to go from there.
“It’s not like someone holding the back of our necks saying, ‘Don’t forget, you got to write about so and so,’” Theroux continued. “It’s just making sure we get our story straight and great and then once that happens then we’ll be able to take in other obligations.”
Do you think the lack of communication will help or hurt Marvel’s upcoming slate of films? Talk it up in the comments!
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I hope the lack of communication doesn't harm the continuity of the Avengers film.
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Incredibly Scant Details Regarding Iron Man 2 Cast
Posted at 11:02 AM Dec 03, 2008
Apparently an Iron Man 2 casting call sheet went out, with the following roles:
Posted at 11:02 AM Dec 03, 2008
Apparently an Iron Man 2 casting call sheet went out, with the following roles:
And from that, Coke and Comics and Newsarama surmise that both Black Widow and Crimson Dynamo will be in the sequel, assumably as Female Lead and Bruiser. So who's the Male Lead? Have they decided to make the Mandarin a generic Eastern European guy? If so, will he still have magic rings? Will he be named after another fruit? Your preposterous speculations in the comments!
I don't think that first male lead is for the Mandarin. I belive they're keeping him as the big lead baddie in the third film.
Crimson Dynamo, Black Widow and maybe Titanium Man?
For Black Widow, I vote Ivana Milicevic. She even has the accent:
Crimson Dynamo, Black Widow and maybe Titanium Man?
For Black Widow, I vote Ivana Milicevic. She even has the accent:
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God no. Not only is that particular actress overexposed....I swear I see her in every friggin' movie (64 appearances in movies and TV since her first appearance in 1996) but I really don't understand the attraction....she does absolutely nothing for me. Black Widow is the whore of the Marvel Universe, she is unapologetic about being hypersexual and not to mention that she is supposed to be drop dead gorgeous.
In my opinion you keep the actress European to get that look established but you gotta go Asia Argento:
Especially if you want the harsh, sexual, edgy look and feel. Or since Natasha is supposed to be around Tony's age in all reality you go Monica Bellucci and really kick up the sexual quotent.
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God no. Not only is that particular actress overexposed....I swear I see her in every friggin' movie (64 appearances in movies and TV since her first appearance in 1996) but I really don't understand the attraction....she does absolutely nothing for me. Black Widow is the whore of the Marvel Universe, she is unapologetic about being hypersexual and not to mention that she is supposed to be drop dead gorgeous.
In my opinion you keep the actress European to get that look established but you gotta go Asia Argento:
Especially if you want the harsh, sexual, edgy look and feel. Or since Natasha is supposed to be around Tony's age in all reality you go Monica Bellucci and really kick up the sexual quotent.
yes please!! either one will do. both are allowed in my house.
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Comic Movie News: Iron Man 2
Posted at 11:06 AM Dec 18, 2008
• Apparently Jon Favreau has hired Tim Robbins to play Papa Stark in Iron Man 2. /Film says it'll be part of a flashback sequence where Howard Stark will be involved in the Captain America project. This will be a shaft in the backside to actor Gerard Sanders, who played the elder Stark during the awards montage in the first film. Incidentally, Tony Stark says his dad helped build the atom bomb during WWII, and this Captain America/Super-Soldier Serum fits right in with that.
But here's what's been bothering me. Say Howard was born in 1920, and doing the Cap n' Bomb stuff from the ages of 19-25--within reason, although I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be older then. And say Tony is 35 during the Iron Man movie, which assumably takes place in 2008, although I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be younger. That would mean Howard sired Tony in 1973, which I suppose is reasonable. But not really. Bugs me, is all.
Iron Man Sequel Casting Rumors
Since I am refusing to post the ridiculous Batman 3 casting rumors I thought I would share an interesting rumor that actually sounds feasible. Latino Review is reporting that Tim Robbins will be playing Howard Stark in flashbacks that will setup the Avengers and Captain America.
Jon [Favreau] wanted to get a good actor because he didn't think the guy who played Howard in the last film could carry such an important scene.
Makes sense to me because Howard Stark would be around the time of the Captain America Super Soldier experiment.
Also Hawkeye and Black Widow are definitely in the sequel and not just a cameo.
Posted at 11:06 AM Dec 18, 2008
• Apparently Jon Favreau has hired Tim Robbins to play Papa Stark in Iron Man 2. /Film says it'll be part of a flashback sequence where Howard Stark will be involved in the Captain America project. This will be a shaft in the backside to actor Gerard Sanders, who played the elder Stark during the awards montage in the first film. Incidentally, Tony Stark says his dad helped build the atom bomb during WWII, and this Captain America/Super-Soldier Serum fits right in with that.
But here's what's been bothering me. Say Howard was born in 1920, and doing the Cap n' Bomb stuff from the ages of 19-25--within reason, although I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be older then. And say Tony is 35 during the Iron Man movie, which assumably takes place in 2008, although I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be younger. That would mean Howard sired Tony in 1973, which I suppose is reasonable. But not really. Bugs me, is all.
Iron Man Sequel Casting Rumors
Since I am refusing to post the ridiculous Batman 3 casting rumors I thought I would share an interesting rumor that actually sounds feasible. Latino Review is reporting that Tim Robbins will be playing Howard Stark in flashbacks that will setup the Avengers and Captain America.
Jon [Favreau] wanted to get a good actor because he didn't think the guy who played Howard in the last film could carry such an important scene.
Makes sense to me because Howard Stark would be around the time of the Captain America Super Soldier experiment.
Also Hawkeye and Black Widow are definitely in the sequel and not just a cameo.
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It occured to me when I first saw the movie that Tony's dad working on the Manhattan Project was a little odd for the timeline. I love that Marvel is putting little things here and there in the movies to make a movie universe. That's one of the biggest disappointments in the previous movies, they all existed independently.
Ahhhh man! I didn't think a lick about the time line, now you got me thinking 
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'Iron Man 2’ Screenwriter Insists Theme Of Sequel Will Be Identity
Published by Shawn Adler on Monday, December 29, 2008 at 12:23 pm.
It came out of nowhere to surprise us all, and led in no small part to making Robert Downey Jr. the actor MTV News was most thankful for this year. But now that “Iron Man 2” is already full-steam ahead, what can or should be improved from the first film?
“I’m sure Rob would have a million answers!” screenwriter Justin Theroux exclaimed when we brought the question to him (And Downey certainly did have some “Iron Man 2″ answers for us.)
As for Theroux himself, however, the biggest difference, he says, won’t necessarily be an improvement, but a total paradigm shift in dealing with Tony Stark.
Which may or may not turn out to be, you know, better.
“The obvious thing to improve upon — well, it’s not even an improvement it’s just something to embrace — which is that he’s now a hero that lives in the real world. That’s unique,” Theroux said of Stark’s earth-shattering revelation at the end of the first film that he was Iron Man, making him the first-ever cinematic super without a secret identity.
It’s not a small distinction. There is a line between Clark Kent and Superman, or say, Bruce Wayne and Batman. You could even argue about both that one identity is the “real” one. There no longer is that line with Tony, which means, well, something big.
For his part, Theroux isn’t ready to talk specifics, but says the nature of his identity is something that’s going to be a monumental part of the second film.
“Yeah, it’s something that we’ve made a real decision to run towards rather than away from,” he said.
Published by Shawn Adler on Monday, December 29, 2008 at 12:23 pm.
It came out of nowhere to surprise us all, and led in no small part to making Robert Downey Jr. the actor MTV News was most thankful for this year. But now that “Iron Man 2” is already full-steam ahead, what can or should be improved from the first film?
“I’m sure Rob would have a million answers!” screenwriter Justin Theroux exclaimed when we brought the question to him (And Downey certainly did have some “Iron Man 2″ answers for us.)
As for Theroux himself, however, the biggest difference, he says, won’t necessarily be an improvement, but a total paradigm shift in dealing with Tony Stark.
Which may or may not turn out to be, you know, better.
“The obvious thing to improve upon — well, it’s not even an improvement it’s just something to embrace — which is that he’s now a hero that lives in the real world. That’s unique,” Theroux said of Stark’s earth-shattering revelation at the end of the first film that he was Iron Man, making him the first-ever cinematic super without a secret identity.
It’s not a small distinction. There is a line between Clark Kent and Superman, or say, Bruce Wayne and Batman. You could even argue about both that one identity is the “real” one. There no longer is that line with Tony, which means, well, something big.
For his part, Theroux isn’t ready to talk specifics, but says the nature of his identity is something that’s going to be a monumental part of the second film.
“Yeah, it’s something that we’ve made a real decision to run towards rather than away from,” he said.
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Mickey Rourke will be playing the Crimson Dynamo. Sam Rockwell will also be joining the cast. Good news!! Especially with Rourke about to be an Oscar nominee for The Wrestler.
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