Is it the Dark Side that makes SW fans so evil?

[Natrix]

Those who are complaing about the arguing need to remember something. It takes two people to argue.

People who voice their complaints usually don't end up in an argument with another poster until another poster comes in and insists that the compainer is wrong and should shut up.

I am really an in the middle type of person. For instance, I am not canceling the Fett PF, but I do wish I had known it was going to be plastic before now.

I really do see both sides, but remember the old saying. Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics. No matter who wins, you're still retarded.

I agree with you completely. People on both sides have over reacted and taken shots at each other. No one side is more guilty than the other.

 

[tomandshell]

Those who are complaing about the arguing need to remember something. It takes two people to argue.

No it doesn't!!!

People who voice their complaints usually don't end up in an argument with another poster until another poster comes in and insists that the compainer is wrong and should shut up.

Yes they do!!!

I am really an in the middle type of person. For instance, I am not canceling the Fett PF, but I do wish I had known it was going to be plastic before now.

No you don't!!!

I really do see both sides, but remember the old saying. Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics. No matter who wins, you're still retarded.

No we're not!!!









(Has anybody seen Monty Python's "Argument Clinic" sketch? I have.)

 

[Customikey]

(Has anybody seen Monty Python's "Argument Clinic" sketch? I have.)

Oh you came to the SS Board for an argument? I'm sorry, this...this is abuse!



SW fans are naturally sensitive. We love and loath the objects of our affection. I mean, how many of us cringe while watching the prequels, but still love our Darth Maul and Anakin Skywalker figures? It's a strange phenomenon, to be sure.

I was on the EZ Board, and I too long for those days when we could all be cheerleaders. That's why the board was created. That's why we were adopted by Sideshow as a semi-official forum. It does feel at times that we've gone off the rails a bit. The forum as it is today is a lot rockier than it was. Sort of like a WB Drama that starts off with a simple premise, then winds and twists out of all recognition until you turn on the TV one morning and discover Lana is dating Lex Luthor. What the hell?!!

But I digress.

I like to think I'm still a cheerleader. I've never taken shots at anyone (never have, Josh, never will) for loving up on the company. I'm right there with you! By and large, the board remains a positive tool for Sideshow fans. I think it gets misused at times. For example, I think breaking down the cost of an item to determine how much it actually costs to make versus Sideshow's percentage of profit is a fruitless and ultimately cynical excercise. But it has also lead to some real friendships. Hell, some of the boardmembers are dating each other!!

I'm not sure where I'm going with all this. I'm trying to be positive, but i can;t seem to make a "Ya see, Timmy" point, so I'll just say that I was very happy on the EZ Board, and I'm just as happy to be here now. Rock on Freaks.

 

[The Josh]

You're good people in my book Mikey. You can join the squad anyday.

 

[tomandshell]

Hell, some of the boardmembers are dating each other!!

Man, you've got to learn to keep quiet about some things. If my wife finds out, I'm going to break both your kneecaps.

 

[Customikey]

Man, you've got to learn to keep quiet about some things. If my wife finds out, I'm going to break both your kneecaps.

Sorry, sweetie.

 

[Gruff Old Bear]

I was on the EZ board, and I have also noticed a change in the tone of the board lately that I don't care for. I hadn't linked it to Star Wars though, and I'm not sure there is such a link. It's an interesting thought, however. I suppose I'll be taking more careful note from now on, now that KingDarkness brought it up. What I remember about the EZ board days is that there were two very distinct communities who didn't cross-pollinate one another's forums much: the 1/6 action figure group and the WETA statue group. Now that Sideshow's LOTR output is action figures and PFs, the old statue group seems to have drifted away, and I wonder where they went.

This has been a refreshing thread. This in particular from DarthNeil:

I think some of the collectors who have been around since the very early years (ie they saw the original in the theatre in '77) ... seek to collect for purely nostalgic reasons or because it touches on an inner joy that takes them back to the carefree days of long ago when the words "mortgage", "cancer", and even "death" weren't in their everyday vernacular...

is a pretty astounding observation from someone as young as I think he is -- that is you in your avatar, isn't it Neil? And Amarcord's followup,

Those were the days my friend
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day

Really brought back memories. See, that song came out when I was graduating from high school. It wasn't a particularly popular song, as it meant nothing to anyone our age. It was just an oddity because it was on the Beatles' Apple label. Some clever parent thought it would be great to make that song the theme to the class graduation party. Every kid in the class got a Polaroid party photo of him- or herself in a paper folder with a copy of the 45 of that damn song. What a stinkin' time bomb that parent lit. I would never do that to my kid. I wonder, were we really such arrogant youth that we deserved that gesture? That song that would become sadder and more haunting as our time ran out and our classmates died?

Anyway, both of you have this older collector who saw the original SW in the theatre in 1977 all figured out.

Is this the right thread for reminiscences?

 

[DarkArtist81]

I know I wasn't around to see the EZ boards or how things used to be around here.... I didn't show up until Jedi Luke came about and I somehow found this board. So to me the drama and flame wars have always been here.... if not a little more intense as of late....

I came here out of love for SSC and that will always be my #1 purpose for being here, outside of an inner desire to help people save the paint apps of their collectibles....

So I will never attack Josh and call him a cheerleader. I thought that was the reason we were here? That we love SSC and their amazing products...

Even if Fett is made of plastic and they never made a Medieval Kurgan.... doesn't really bother me. They did what was right by them and I stick by the decisions they make, even if it pains me at the moment. They are a business first and foremost, the fact that they are so involved with us and this community is an oddity and something I feel excited about being a part of.

We really are spoiled..... It's a fact. They treat us pretty good, Reward points, parties, feedback, Priority PPO's..... So I can't complain.

Mistakes will be made, things we may not agree with will happen... that's life. But the Freaks will always love Sideshow and hopefully we at this board do not forget that over time...

 

[MaulFan]

It's deffinately a matter of harmony, those who find negatives with Sideshow need to recognize that some of us can and do love everything Sideshow does and that it doesn't make us blind or ignorant to feel that way, but in turn, those who absolutely love everything from Sideshow need to recognize that some people are capable of seeing flaws in Sideshow products and practices etc. and will be vocal about that, and both sides need to be open to each other, the fans can't tell the nasayers to get the hell out just because they don't agree, and the nasayers can't bash the fans as mindless lap dogs or anything to that affect, we need to be more understanding of the positions of those who disagree with our perspective.

 

[DarkArtist81]

It's deffinately a matter of harmony, those who find negatives with Sideshow need to recognize that some of us can and do love everything Sideshow does and that it doesn't make us blind or ignorant to feel that way, but in turn, those who absolutely love everything from Sideshow need to recognize that some people are capable of seeing flaws in Sideshow products and practices etc. and will be vocal about that, and both sides need to be open to each other, the fans can't tell the nasayers to get the hell out just because they don't agree, and the nasayers can't bash the fans as mindless lap dogs or anything to that affect, we need to be more understanding of the positions of those who disagree with our perspective.

Exactly! Both sides have to learn to be tolerant of the other's ideas and not so brutal in defending what they believe. It can't be violent and nasty or we are all wrong.....

Communication is key.

 

[El Roranous]

I have written my response to the whole matter here. Thought it to be too wordy for just a simple reply so I started a thread.

https://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17262

 

[pickard]

It's deffinately a matter of harmony, those who find negatives with Sideshow need to recognize that some of us can and do love everything Sideshow does and that it doesn't make us blind or ignorant to feel that way, but in turn, those who absolutely love everything from Sideshow need to recognize that some people are capable of seeing flaws in Sideshow products and practices etc. and will be vocal about that, and both sides need to be open to each other, the fans can't tell the nasayers to get the hell out just because they don't agree, and the nasayers can't bash the fans as mindless lap dogs or anything to that affect, we need to be more understanding of the positions of those who disagree with our perspective.

Maulfan, I'm sorry, but if you do love everything that Sideshow does and don't see any flaws, that is ignorance. Sideshow might be the best collectible company going right now, but they're not perfect. There are flaws, and not seeing them isn't a virtue.

The "cheerleaders" who take this to an extreme where they will never acknowledge any problem with Sideshow or their product devalue their own opinion and reputation and have only themselves to blame when their opinions are ignored or not taken seriously.

On the other hand, Sideshow is definitely as good or better than any other collectible company out there. Anyone who doesn't see that is probably just a "cheerleader" for some other company. (Or is just a troublemaker who comes here to piss on other people's good time.)

Neither extreme contributes as much to our discussions as the more reasonable participant who sees both the good and the bad and the shades of grey between them.

 

[MaulFan]

Maulfan, I'm sorry, but if you do love everything that Sideshow does and don't see any flaws, that is ignorance. Sideshow might be the best collectible company going right now, but they're not perfect. There are flaws, and not seeing them isn't a virtue.

The "cheerleaders" who take this to an extreme where they will never acknowledge any problem with Sideshow or their product devalue their own opinion and reputation and have only themselves to blame when their opinions are ignored or not taken seriously.

See that's the kinda thinking that causes problems, it IS NOT ignorance to not find flaws in things, but merely that those who don't see them have been given a product tailored to their likeing, people have DIFFERENT tastes and just because you and many others don't have your tastes met does not mean that those of us who are having our needs met are blind.

 

[customizerwannabe]

but merely that those who don't see them have been given a product tailored to their likeing,

WHAT???

 

[pickard]

See that's the kinda thinking that causes problems, it IS NOT ignorance to not find flaws in things, but merely that those who don't see them have been given a product tailored to their likeing, people have DIFFERENT tastes and just because you and many others don't have your tastes met does not mean that those of us who are having our needs met are blind.

If you don't see that SS has flaws, that's your prerogative. I'll add you to the list of people on both sides of these discussions whose opinions hold little weight, because you can't be trusted to look at things rationally.

 

[customizerwannabe]

Gotta agree. Toss out the Superfans opinions(blindingly obvious who they are), and the Superhaters(fewer of them I think), the feeling of most is that SS does a great job of producing SW items, but they are far from perfect. To let them know that is extremely important if you want to see a striving for improvement.

 

[MaulFan]

If you don't see that SS has flaws, that's your prerogative. I'll add you to the list of people on both sides of these discussions whose opinions hold little weight, because you can't be trusted to look at things rationally.

I have seen issues in SSC products, I'm just trying to make the point that it is also not ignorance to be fully content with something either, I did think the Anakin lip paint was off and it bothers me, but at the same time, I love everything about Jabba the Hutt and his throne and have no issues with any element of those pieces. My point is, you don't have an invalid opinion if you love something, just cuz I'm not someone who can always fine a flaw in things, doesn't make me ignorant, it just means the products happen to be what I and many others who share the same feelings, would like, and tough luck for those who find fault in it time and again and can never appreciate what they get.

 

[The Josh]

I know I wasn't around to see the EZ boards or how things used to be around here.... I didn't show up until Jedi Luke came about and I somehow found this board. So to me the drama and flame wars have always been here.... if not a little more intense as of late....

I came here out of love for SSC and that will always be my #1 purpose for being here, outside of an inner desire to help people save the paint apps of their collectibles....

So I will never attack Josh and call him a cheerleader. I thought that was the reason we were here? That we love SSC and their amazing products...

Even if Fett is made of plastic and they never made a Medieval Kurgan.... doesn't really bother me. They did what was right by them and I stick by the decisions they make, even if it pains me at the moment. They are a business first and foremost, the fact that they are so involved with us and this community is an oddity and something I feel excited about being a part of.

We really are spoiled..... It's a fact. They treat us pretty good, Reward points, parties, feedback, Priority PPO's..... So I can't complain.

Mistakes will be made, things we may not agree with will happen... that's life. But the Freaks will always love Sideshow and hopefully we at this board do not forget that over time...

Well, said Josh2. Well said.

See that's the kinda thinking that causes problems, it IS NOT ignorance to not find flaws in things, but merely that those who don't see them have been given a product tailored to their likeing, people have DIFFERENT tastes and just because you and many others don't have your tastes met does not mean that those of us who are having our needs met are blind.

Exactly MF! If someone feels I'm/whoever is ignorant to whatever flaws they feel or that my opinion is not as valuable due to the fact I like what I've recieved that's their issue. I've gottan a product tailiored to my liking and it fits my wants. Just because I like what I get and I am happy where SS is going doesn't make my opinion any less valuable. If you feel differently than I do great but our opinions are the same value to the overall board. There are things I point out with a lot of things coming from SS that I don't like. Though, that seems to get overlooked for whatever reason.

In the end if you feel people like me are ignorant or our opinions are not as valuable to you. Then I'm sorry for you that you seem to feel you're more worthy than I am.

 

[Brent72]

Gotta agree. Toss out the Superfans opinions(blindingly obvious who they are), and the Superhaters(fewer of them I think), the feeling of most is that SS does a great job of producing SW items, but they are far from perfect. To let them know that is extremely important if you want to see a striving for improvement.

Very, very true.

 

[MaulFan]

SS does a great job of producing SW items, but they are far from perfect.

That is an opinion, and just because others share it doesn't make it right, it's possible for SSC's products to be beyond perfect for some people as they are, you guys have to open minded that just because you are unhappy and have higher standards doesn't make you the dictator of how items should be, if you want to, start your own company and make your own products how you want them, in the mean time accept that companies do it how they do it, and for some people it's dead on, for others it's way off, and for the middle ground it's ok but room for growth, that's just how it is.