J.J. Abrams' Star Trek Into Darkness

[a-dev]

Yea exactly and Reliant was a light cruiser class anyway so, if that more advanced looking ship we see crashing into SF bay is indeed Cumberbatch's ship then i hope it is Excelsior or Lexington,Yorktown,Lakota,Constitution etc.

Wait, Excelsior came later did it not? It was only a prototype ship in Trek III and thats later in Kirk's life than we're at in these films.

 

[Valfar]

Wait, Excelsior came later did it not? It was only a prototype ship in Trek III and thats later in Kirk's life than we're at in these films.

He could have stolen the ship as the prototype was near completion at SF Shipyards, all the tech in this reboot i would assume is evolving faster then in the other timeline.

https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/stxi_ships.htm

This link explains that a ship similar to the USS Armstrong was seen on a early size comparison chart for the movie but, not sure if the Excelsior made the cut or not..i doubt it did.

https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/stxi-concept-chart.jpg

 

[screamingmetal]

Khonsu70, I loved that dialogue sequence




I think it was great that they didn't try to pretend TOS klingons weren't really klingons in that DS9 episode.

Bashir - 'those are klingons?'
Worf - 'It is not something we discuss with outsiders'

I've been rewatching the entirety of DS9 on Netflix, and just rewatched that episode a month ago, one of my favorites of any Trek series!
It was also cool that they didn't pretend and hire new actors when they brought on TOS Klingons played by John Colicos, Michael Ansara, and William Campbell to reprise their roles on DS9 with the new Klingon forehead ridges, I really loved that faithfulness to the original series.

Normally for myself as well.....for whatever reason i am really hung up on Montalban being Khan and Khan alone, I guess. Much prefer Cumberpatch being Gary Mithchell myself, but I digress..

Yeah, I can understand, Montalban was so great as Khan in TWK that it's hard to see anyone else play the character. I'd also like Cumberbatch as someone else like Gary Mitchell or Joachim with him leading in to Khan as the big villain of Star Trek XIII, but if he really is Khan I can except it.

Wait, Excelsior came later did it not? It was only a prototype ship in Trek III and thats later in Kirk's life than we're at in these films.

Yeah it came later, at least 13+ years later, but who's to say there wasn't other starships named Excelsior during TOS era such as the Enterprise or Defiant?

 

[a-dev]

Y'know its been nice talking about Star Trek in here. Its not very big on these forums.

Next time I'm in the attic I'm taking down all the DS9 DVDs. That show was astounding, particularly from season 4 onwards.

Listening to the Star Trek First Contact score at the minute.
Just came to the ''If you were any other man I would kill you where you stand'' bit. Great stuff.

 

[screamingmetal]

Yeah it looks too small to be a BOP, but it has the exact same wing type that were moving into an up position in the trailer.


I didn't say shooting, it was in pursuit. This is the ship in the foreground I'm referring to:
Wings Down:

Wings raised:

That to me looks like a Abramsverse BOP.

Spoiler

Well it's confirmed, what you see there is a Klingon Bird of Prey. It's the Kre-O set in the lower left:

https://scifanatic.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kreotoyfairtrek-1.jpg

 

[Valfar]

That is one crappy design.

I am not fan of J.J's Klingons so far with those stupid Gladiator style helmets..yay! lets be cheap and make them all look the same.

Only thing i like Klingon so far out of the J.J-verse is the D7/K'tinga inspired Klingon Warbird.

 

[Khev]

Well, EW confirmed it: Cumberbatch is Khan.

For whatever it's worth, the actual EW issue doesn't state it as fact, in fact they indicate that they don't know whether or not Cumberbatch is Khan:

"Sherlock star Benedict Cumberbatch plays the bad guy in question, a man called John Harrison who's described by co-writer Alex Kurtzman as a 'member of Starfleet who turns on Starfleet.' Unconfirmed rumors suggest that Harrison also goes by the name of Khan, the genetically upgraded tyrant portrayed by Ricardo Montalban in a February 1967 episode of the original series, as well as in 1982's big-screen Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.

No one in the cast or crew will go within 20 lightyears of a spoiler, but Pine promises that Into Darkness will deliver 'more action, amazing effects, and something like 45 minutes of IMAX footage.'"

If no one in the cast or crew is talking I'm guessing that someone at EW just jumped to their own conclusion based on the "unconfirmed rumors" when they posted that blurb about "the new Kirk and Khan" on their webpage. Sounds like Cumberbatch is a different dude with a different origin.

 

[Kamandi]

If Cumberbatch is Khan it would be funny to see JJ ban EW from all Star Wars promotions, interviews and set visits.

 

[Wanderer]

Although its an alternative timeline, I hope this film (If in fact the villain is Khan) compliments WOK. It's an ll time classic. I also loved TSFS as the companion film but that's just me.

 

[a-dev]

Although its an alternative timeline, I hope this film (If in fact the villain is Khan) compliments WOK. It's an ll time classic. I also loved TSFS as the companion film but that's just me.

Search for Spock had some amazing sequences, pretty much anything in the space dock. Overall its not bad at all, I enjoyed my last viewing of it.

Although I wonder whatever happened to the 'transwarp' drive on the Excelsior. Did 'Transwarp' mean something different in Kirk's time than it did in the likes of Star Trek Voyager's latter seasons? Much like how ''alpha quadrant'' meant something different.

 

[Wanderer]

Search for Spock had some amazing sequences, pretty much anything in the space dock. Overall its not bad at all, I enjoyed my last viewing of it.

Although I wonder whatever happened to the 'transwarp' drive on the Excelsior. Did 'Transwarp' mean something different in Kirk's time than it did in the likes of Star Trek Voyager's latter seasons? Much like how ''alpha quadrant'' meant something different.

Totally agree. The bits in space dock resonated with me so much on an emotional level from the Enterprise limping back to port and officer Rand shaking her head in disbelief to the crew stealing the ship. It cemented the fact after all these years serving together, all of the crew would lay down their careers and lives for each other.

The one thing that has bugged me about it though is all the extra damage you see visible on the other side of the Enterprise. I've never found any concrete information as to why it was there or what caused it. I just wonder if they had an idea for a more eloborate battle with Kruge's Bird of Prey but dumped it due to budget?

As for the Transwarp engine, I think it's been established officially/unofficially that it was an experiment that just didn't get off the ground following Scotty sabotaging the Excelsior's Engines. After that, Starfleet decided to retrofit the ship with standard warp engines.

 

[a-dev]

Totally agree. The bits in space dock resonated with me so much on an emotional level from the Enterprise limping back to port and officer Rand shaking her head in disbelief to the crew stealing the ship. It cemented the fact that all of the crew would lay down their careers and lives for each other.

The one thing that has bugged me about it though is all the extra damage you see visible on the other side of the Enterprise. I've never found any concrete information as to why it was there or what caused it. I just wonder if they had an idea for a more eloborate battle with Kruge's Bird of Prey but dumped it due to budget?

As for the Transwarp engine, I think it's been established officially/unofficially that it was an experiment that just didn't get off the ground following Scotty sabotaging the Excelsior's Engines. After that, Starfleet decided to retrofit the ship with standard warp engines.

The space dock scenes with the ships really gave a fantastic sense of scale and wonder. I loved seeing the starfleet officers and civilians watching the Flagship pulling into the dock and they all look amazed. They feel a sense of wonder and amazement and thus so do we. Its a big ****ing spaceship coming back from the wars, it should be amazing. And James Horner's score really helped this too, kinda makes me wonder why he was only called on twice.

I think that was lost in all the television shows where everything was taken for granted. Heck the ships were rarely even in a spacedock, as though they were the privately owned ships of their captains and running totally independantly of starfleet.

 

[JGouse0498]

With regards to Horner only scoring two films, I recently read that he was asked back for UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY, and he declined, saying something insinuating that his career was above doing TREK anymore (lousy attitude IMO).

As for the transwarp drive, I don't remember Scotty's sabotage being credited for its failure...just that the experiment failed and it was swapped out for a standard warp drive.

 

[screamingmetal]

That is one crappy design.

I am not fan of J.J's Klingons so far with those stupid Gladiator style helmets..yay! lets be cheap and make them all look the same.

Only thing i like Klingon so far out of the J.J-verse is the D7/K'tinga inspired Klingon Warbird.

Yeah, I'm hoping it's just a bad Lego wannabe and the real ship looks much better. The guy that designed that D7 ship as well as the really cool early Klingon Bird of Prey starships in Enterprise (John Eaves) is a concept artist on STID, so I hope he had enough influence to steer the abramsverse BOP in the right direction.
There is a new starship in the Hot Wheels collection from STID that hasn't been unveiled yet, I'm hoping that will be shown soon and let us see just how cool the new BOP really is.

Although its an alternative timeline, I hope this film (If in fact the villain is Khan) compliments WOK. It's an ll time classic. I also loved TSFS as the companion film but that's just me.

If Kirk encounters Khan in the new Abramsverse, it'll line up more with Space Seed then it will with TWOK, I don't see Khan having the same desire for revenge on Kirk that he did on TWOK, so if Khan does show up, he'll be a very different character then he was in TWOK. Which is a reason why I don't want Khan to show up so soon, if Kirk pisses him of in STID, that might bring in a Khan seeking revenge in the next film which would line up with the fans expectations.

As for the transwarp drive, I don't remember Scotty's sabotage being credited for its failure...just that the experiment failed and it was swapped out for a standard warp drive.

That's what I read is the reason why the experiment was abandoned after Excelsior and not picked up until Voyager. The interest in Transwarp drive is that it allows a starship to travel faster then the warp speed limit of about warp 10.

 

[Kamandi]

Transwarp is the reason TNG had a different scale for Warp than TOS. Kirk at one point ordered the E to Warp 14. In TNG The Enterprise absolutely could not travel Warp 10, it was considered infinity. Warp 10 would mean travelling so fast as to be at all points in the universe simultaneously.

 

[a-dev]

With regards to Horner only scoring two films, I recently read that he was asked back for UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY, and he declined, saying something insinuating that his career was above doing TREK anymore (lousy attitude IMO).

Thats disappointing to hear about one of my (if not my actual) favourite composers.

 

[Wanderer]

Horner is my favourite too. His work on Krull was stunning IMO.
He has this ability to bring emotion into the scenes that demand it. Not many composers have that knack I don't think. 3 standout scenes in Trek are when Kirk speaks to Spock in his room saying they've have orders to investigate Regular 1, the scene where Sarek mind melds with Kirk to see what happened to Spock and the the whole space dock escape scene. Awesome stuff
I thought he should've scored the LOTR rings trilogy IMO.

 

[Kamandi]

I heard Horner and Cameron had a falling out for a time over the score to Aliens. Cameron had mentioned the action beats sounded too derivative of Horner's Star Trek TWOK soundtrack. It was ~10 years before they would work together again on Titanic.

 

[Wanderer]

All composers have a specific style that repeats itself over different movies they do. I think it's been suggested Horner is more guilty of this than most especially when you compare Battle Beyond the Stars, Krull and TWOK the beats are very similar but then saying that, Elfman and even John Williams aren't averse to reusing similar music they created previously.

 

[Kamandi]

And The Rocketeer.