J.J. Abrams' Star Trek Into Darkness

[CelticPredator]

Met the Shatner.

 

[Sachiel]

You should have brought a Chris Pine Kirk photo for him to sign.

 

[CelticPredator]

Haha. That would've been a quick kick out...and a waste of 80 bucks.

 

[BaxterStockman]

Haha. That would've been a quick kick out...and a waste of 80 bucks.

I can't believe it costs that much for a signature.

 

[CelticPredator]

It's Shatner. The Shatman. Shatscalion. Shatmaster. Lord of the Shat.

 

[KrisSolo]

Think you just Shat yourself...

 

[Wanderer]

Met the Shatner.

The Shat looks pretty well preserved there. Thought he'd look older

 

[CelticPredator]

I did indeed. And man, it felt good.

 

[CelticPredator]

The Shat looks pretty well preserved there. Thought he'd look older

No photos allowed. Absolutely no photos!111 The signs said. I tried to sneak Iphone it...but I didn't want to risk it.

I made eye contact with the man, and told him it was nice to meet him. so that's all I needed.

 

[thecapn]

Ok, so I saw it again this weekend, and you guys are right. I paid close attention to what happened when and in what order.

1. Kirk changes his mind and decides to go after Khan BEFORE the core blows (which is actually opposite of the book, but not really surprising, and makes more sense).

2. Marcus knew the 72 Botany Bay'ers were in the torpedoes already.

3. Marcus rigged the core to blow from the get. So yeah, the plan was for Kirk to get to the border, send the torpedoes, the core blows, Khan and his people get blown up, the Klingons blow up the Enterprise, no one knows anything better and Marcus gets to start the war on his own terms. Nice, neat, and with a bow on it.

4. Marcus only took the Vengeance out once he learned Kirk had Khan on board the Enterprise.

So the only questions left revolve around Marcus' actions on the Vengeance. I suppose he decided to go out there because he was afraid Kirk would figure it all out and get a message out, or Khan would somehow escape and keep reigning chaos, or somehow the Enterprise would get out of it (after all, if Kirk had followed his orders, even if the Enterprise had gotten away, Kirk still would have been clueless about Khan and the whole thing could've still been written off).

So then why didn't he just blow up the Enterprise from the start instead of talking to Kirk about turning over Khan? Only thing I can think of is that he wanted to end Khan with his own two hands to make sure he was dead.

So no real plot hole, beyond just lukewarm reasoning behind his actions.

The only real plot holes, IMHO, at this point, are:

1. The fact that it only took one day to get to Kronos

2. The behavior of the Vengeance and Enterprise at warp (how the heck did the weapons work, for one?)

3. How was the Enterprise able to call New Vulcan for advice but couldn't call Earth, which was right outside the window, for help? Is it like long distance being on while local calls are off?

4. Why didn't Starfleet send one of the other ships in the sector (and there were a bunch, their senior staff was in the meeting) to check out the battle?

5. We've talked at length about this - but yeah, my second viewing confirmed that Marcus started an expanded exploration campaign, found Khan, woke him up, and had him help build the Vengeance all in one year. Whoa. Not a hole so much as kindof unbelievable (especially since we saw in Trek 09 that it took over three years to finish the much-smaller Enterprise). Though, I guess the ship might've already been almost done by the time Khan came on board and he just augmented the weapons...

 

[a-dev]

The only real plot holes, IMHO, at this point, are:

1. The fact that it only took one day to get to Kronos

I thought I heard it was more like 15 seconds.

 

[thecapn]

I thought I heard it was more like 15 seconds.

Yeah, pretty much. Scotty has a line near the end where he says he's been off the ship for "one day." He left before the ship left on the mission, and they had time to get to the border, launch the smaller ship, get Khan, come back, figure everything out, deal with Marcus, and warp back to Earth all in one day. So yeah, much less.

Totally would've been fixed if they'd taken out that one line. You could just assume it took longer and they didn't show it otherwise.

 

[Sachiel]

When the Enterprise gets shot out of warp by the Vengeance it ended up near our moon.

 

[CollectorNC]

Just saw it over the weekend. Why did Abrams have the Enterprise underwater? What was the point? Does the movie have to not make sense right from the beginning?

1. Prime Directive - why were they even near the primitive planet to begin with?

2. Why not just orbit the planet since the primitive culture couldn't detect the ship in space and have Spock beamed to the volcano. They beam him out of the volcano.

3. If they need to use a shuttle craft (because they didn't think to use the transporters) why not leave Enterprise orbiting and have a much smaller ship come down in case natives are looking to the sky.

4. How did natives miss the Enterprise landing and submerging?

5. At what point does Spock care about the violation of PD? I mean, he was pretty annoyed when Kirk saved him. But was he annoyed when they parked the Enterprise under water, took out a shuttle, etc.?

 

[a-dev]

Just saw it over the weekend. Why did Abrams have the Enterprise underwater? What was the point? Does the movie have to not make sense right from the beginning?

1. Prime Directive - why were they even near the primitive planet to begin with?

2. Why not just orbit the planet since the primitive culture couldn't detect the ship in space and have Spock beamed to the volcano. They beam him out of the volcano.

3. If they need to use a shuttle craft (because they didn't think to use the transporters) why not leave Enterprise orbiting and have a much smaller ship come down in case natives are looking to the sky.

4. How did natives miss the Enterprise landing and submerging?

5. At what point does Spock care about the violation of PD? I mean, he was pretty annoyed when Kirk saved him. But was he annoyed when they parked the Enterprise under water, took out a shuttle, etc.?

Agreed with all. That whole thing was done purely for the unique visual without any thought for how ridiculous an idea it is.

 

[CollectorNC]

Agreed with all. That whole thing was done purely for the unique visual without any thought for how ridiculous an idea it is.

It seems visual aesthetic ruled over any common sense.

I mean, it was already established John Harrison was Khan and super strong. Why run from Spock over the container transports left over from Mustafar in Revenge of the Sith?

 

[CollectorNC]

Can we post spoilers in here? I forgot to check. lol

 

[a-dev]

You can post spoilers yes. In fact I think a few of us gave up even using spoiler tags.

 

[CollectorNC]

I think it had the same number of plotholes as Prometheus...coincidence? lol

 

[a-dev]

I think it had the same number of plotholes as Prometheus...coincidence? lol

I think not. These guys need banning from film and TV.