J.J. Abrams' Star Trek (POTENTIAL SPOILERS)

[UTtoyfan]

Whhhaaaatttttttt? Gosh, you are in for a treat, then....!

Yeah i grew up in the next generation/deep space nine generation. So I've seen most of those episodes(have all 7 seasons of DS9 on DVD).

 

[DarkArtist81]

Yeah, you are definitely in for a treat. Some really great episodes in that first season, some stand outs are "The Naked Time", "The Corbomite Maneuver", "The Devil in the Dark" "Balance of Terror", "The City on the Edge of Forever" and "The Menagerie"...

Hell, the whole damn season is full of honorable mentions.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Yeah, you are definitely in for a treat. Some really great episodes in that first season, some stand outs are "The Naked Time", "The Corbomite Maneuver", "The Devil in the Dark" "Balance of Terror", "The City on the Edge of Forever" and "The Menagerie"...

Hell, the whole damn season is full of honorable mentions.

 

[Sachiel]

Get your old Trek out of here.




THIS IS THE COOL TREK!!










I'm just ^^^^ing with you guys.

 

[Memnoch]

Well I think after this movie, it pretty much cements we won't see anything of the "Old Guard" Star Trek anymore and that makes me sad because there WAS potential in keeping forward momentum.

 

[The Mike]

Never was much of a Trekkie. Enjoyed a few episodes of TNG and a few of DS9 but never enough to make me a regular viewer or even watch the whole episodes at time. It just didn't nab my attention. I remember growing up many fans at shops and shows drawing the lines in the sand saying you were either a Trekkie or a Jedi and you couldn't be both.

This new movie has me really interested and I like Quinto taking up the reign of Spock. I'll be there opening day and be the first to fanboy if its great but I don't think it'll even inspire me to go back to the older sources.

 

[Matt S]

Well I think after this movie, it pretty much cements we won't see anything of the "Old Guard" Star Trek anymore and that makes me sad because there WAS potential in keeping forward momentum.

Probably. But after almost 43 years, old trek has had some legs!!! One way or another. And TOS will live on with our generation.....

 

[Memnoch]

Well I don't mean JUST TOS, I'm talking pretty much all established Trek lore is respected and out the window at the same time. So it pretty much erases chances of a new TNG, DS9 or even Voyager flick (last two unlikely, but still..).

 

[Matt S]

Well I don't mean JUST TOS, I'm talking pretty much all established Trek lore is respected and out the window at the same time. So it pretty much erases chances of a new TNG, DS9 or even Voyager flick (last two unlikely, but still..).

Oh, I got you! We'll see once the movie hits. They've hit that cosmic reset buttone before, but they hit it back right before the end....I'll be real curious as to what happens with the movie.....I am staying in the dark as to the plot on purpose, but we'll have a lot to discuss soon enough!!

 

[Memnoch]

Well rumor is that the cast is signed on for at least two more movies so we will see. I'd have LOVED a TNG movie that is actually a GOOD closure. Then move onto something different, like an overall Starfleet series.

 

[Matt S]

Yeah, TNG kinda got left behind. I wish we got one last good movie with that crew, but tis not to be, I am afraid!

 

[MooMooEgg]

Well rumor is that the cast is signed on for at least two more movies so we will see.

Well, that's good to hear. Early reviews seem to be generally positive and have the air that the film is very much like Batman Begins and that there's room for Dark Knight-esque sequel awesomeness.

 

[The Mike]

Well I don't mean JUST TOS, I'm talking pretty much all established Trek lore is respected and out the window at the same time. So it pretty much erases chances of a new TNG, DS9 or even Voyager flick (last two unlikely, but still..).

That is true.

Spoiler

The apparent rumor of the story is that Eric Bana's villain character travels back in time to stop James Kirk from ever captaining the Enterprise or at least living past his first outing. According to insiders it basically reboots the entire Star Trek history because the outcome of that initial mission is changed which means after this film, if that IS the storyline, there is no Picard, no Janeway or Sisko at least in the capacity we knew them. They could essentially redo the entire thing from that point on

Its the equilivient of shaking the Etch-a-Sketch and going again.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Get your old Trek out of here.




THIS IS THE COOL TREK!!










I'm just ^^^^ing with you guys.

You dang whipper snappers and your rock and or roll!

























J/K

Star Trek

 

[JediMike71]

That is true.

Spoiler

The apparent rumor of the story is that Eric Bana's villain character travels back in time to stop James Kirk from ever captaining the Enterprise or at least living past his first outing. According to insiders it basically reboots the entire Star Trek history because the outcome of that initial mission is changed which means after this film, if that IS the storyline, there is no Picard, no Janeway or Sisko at least in the capacity we knew them. They could essentially redo the entire thing from that point on

Its the equilivient of shaking the Etch-a-Sketch and going again.

Ummm.... I don't like that spoiler. I won't say what it is, but I just don't like it. Call me "old fashioned" and I don't care. I LOVE the original Star Trek and I always will! The "reboot" now looks great, but...well I can't say much more or otherwise I'd spoil the spoiler.

 

[The Mike]

Here is the article from last year:

Spoiler

'Star Trek' Returns with Classic Plot Device More

There's nothing Star Trek can't solve with time travel. Need a few 1980s whales in the 23rd century? Not a problem. Hop back in time, cover Spock's conspicuously pointed ears with a headband, pack some whales in some transparent aluminum, call it a day. It will work out. Don't worry about it.

In a recent interview with TrekMovie.com, Star Trek co-writer Robert Orci has revealed that the trend is not over (spoilers, I guess):

TrekMovie: From the trailer, and certainly from the four scene preview, there is no doubt that things are different. Pike and Kirk are hanging out in a bar. The ship looks different. Kirk is on the Enterprise and not headed to the Farragut. People are seeing Romulans…things are different. Now it has been revealed in the Entertainment Weekly article that Nero goes back in time and attacks the Kelvin, and JJ also talked about this during his previews. So the big question is: Is the destruction of the Kelvin, the canon reason why everything is different?

Orci: It is the reason why some things are different, but not everything is different. Not everything is inconsistent with what might have actually happened, in canon. Some of the things that seem that they are totally different, I will argue, once the film comes out, fall well within what could have been the non-time travel version of this move.

TrekMovie: So, for example, Kirk is different, because his back story has totally changed, in that his parents…and all that. But you are saying that maybe Scotty or Spock’s back story would not be affected by that change?

Orci: Right.

TrekMovie: Does the time travel explain why the Enterprise looks different and why it is being built in Riverside Iowa?

Bob: Yes, and yes.

Time travel is like hot glue. It can hold together almost anything, even disjointed canon, and you never notice because it's clear. Ignore that the clearness is often lumpy and has some stringy bits coming off. It works, OK? For all you know, our current timeline is only the result of Q allowing Picard to go back in time to change a 20th century event that would later destroy the Enterprise. You have no room to talk when you may well be the product of Star Trek time travel.

So...if that is happens then everything we know about Star Trek from the TOS on would be completely different.

 

[DarkArtist81]

It needed an update sadly...

I was a huge fan of TNG, it was what got me into Trek. And I liked some of DS9, but not all... The problem with the later shows was that they never captured the "edge" of TOS.

TNG had a lot of what made Trek such a great show, such as strong character relationships and commentary on the human condition. The cast still had some of that raw quality of the TOS crew, but not all of it. The later shows had almost none of that.

The thing that made TOS so great was that kind of rough around the edges crew. Kirk captained with his gut, made decisions based on his emotions... sometimes entirely against orders. He was a loose cannon, unpredictable at times. Spock even had an edge at times, "Amok Time" proved that. The crew was full of surprises, and not as much "human perfection" as some of the later shows did. They were very flawed.

Humanity can transcend it's base nature, and all that... but the flaws will remain... at least a little bit. Some of the later shows just drained that edge away and tried to be too rigid. So the franchise dried up a bit, was deemed "uncool" and started to die.

I'm VERY happy to see them trying to breath new life into the franchise, give it back it's edge, and a new beginning.

 

[Memnoch]

Ya know.. I started typing this out but decided the whole thing would be better off in a spoiler sooo!

Spoiler

I'd love to see this crew take two more movies, maybe even re-do Space Seed to set up for 3 MORE films that could be the "Search for Spock" trilogy then move on to a re-imagined TNG and 23rd century setting. But give the films time, let the characters age a little. As great as the Spock trilogy was, I think it was kind of telling it was science fiction/fantasy because let's face it: If Scotty were an officer in ANY military/exploration branch.. well he'd either be retired or in a desk job. God I hated PT. Anyway, if it's good give me two more flicks with Space Seed being one, then do the Spock trilogy and then do 3 more movies with re-imagined TNG, etc.

I think if they keep to films they are forced to keep the stories tight, have less continuity to worry about and will make Trek special, and hopefully relevant, again.

 

[MooMooEgg]

It needed an update sadly...

I was a huge fan of TNG, it was what got me into Trek. And I liked some of DS9, but not all... The problem with the later shows was that they never captured the "edge" of TOS.

TNG had a lot of what made Trek such a great show, such as strong character relationships and commentary on the human condition. The cast still had some of that raw quality of the TOS crew, but not all of it. The later shows had almost none of that.

The thing that made TOS so great was that kind of rough around the edges crew. Kirk captained with his gut, made decisions based on his emotions... sometimes entirely against orders. He was a loose cannon, unpredictable at times. Spock even had an edge at times, "Amok Time" proved that. The crew was full of surprises, and not as much "human perfection" as some of the later shows did. They were very flawed.

Humanity can transcend it's base nature, and all that... but the flaws will remain... at least a little bit. Some of the later shows just drained that edge away and tried to be too rigid. So the franchise dried up a bit, was deemed "uncool" and started to die.

I'm VERY happy to see them trying to breath new life into the franchise, give it back it's edge, and a new beginning.

+1

I'm a fan of TOS and TNG, but I could never get into DS9 or Voyager... they all seemed really boring, sterile, and lifeless. Enterprise was really blah for the first 3 seasons, but then it got REALLY good in season 4, but the damage was already done (not to mention the damage done with that final episode... ugh!!!).

But universally, it's pretty uncool to like Trek. I asked a few people to go with me to watch the new flick when it comes out (all girls), but they were all like, "ewwww, star trek is for NERDSSSSS!!!" I really hope the movie gets good word of mouth like Iron Man (another film my female friends had no interest in watching, yet loved when they finally saw it), so it'll attract a newer audience so Trek will be accepted by the mainstream audience.

I'm really getting tired of all the "It's not TOS Trek because the Enterprise isn't made of cardboard sets and the phasers don't look exactly the same and that new Kirk isn't Kirk because he's not the Shat" talk. Spoofs like this shouldn't be the first thing that come to mind when people think of TOS...

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[Valfar]

+1

I'm a fan of TOS and TNG, but I could never get into DS9 or Voyager... they all seemed really boring, sterile, and lifeless. Enterprise was really blah for the first 3 seasons, but then it got REALLY good in season 4, but the damage was already done (not to mention the damage done with that final episode... ugh!!!).

But universally, it's pretty uncool to like Trek. I asked a few people to go with me to watch the new flick when it comes out (all girls), but they were all like, "ewwww, star trek is for NERDSSSSS!!!" I really hope the movie gets good word of mouth like Iron Man (another film my female friends had no interest in watching, yet loved when they finally saw it), so it'll attract a newer audience so Trek will be accepted by the mainstream audience.

I'm really getting tired of all the "It's not TOS Trek because the Enterprise isn't made of cardboard sets and the phasers don't look exactly the same and that new Kirk isn't Kirk because he's not the Shat" talk. Spoofs like this shouldn't be the first thing that come to mind when people think of TOS...

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Man, who cares what females think about these movies..some women just ruin it for me, like say the movie does well..the only thing you will hear from the stereotypical media hungry woman is "chris pine is sexy"..lots of dumb ass women horded to see The Dark Knight because it was "OMG OMG heath ledger! and he died!OMG OMG!" so, lots of non-batman fans made TDK the movie it was i think, i just like how Star Trek was never "cool" to the common person, its what makes it more of a unique interest to me.