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No one bashed the film. But I think the praise that it got is 10 times more annoying then anything. And it's fans. Goddamn how I hate this movie's fans. I missed the days where only a few select movie fans gave a ____ about this thing. Had it not blown up, I would've been able to enjoy it. But now? How can I? It's been tainted.

It's tainted love. Oo..ohhh woah. Tainted love.
 
We know. If you have nothing more to contribute to this thread (and believe me you're more than welcome) then please move on.

When you have something to post, please post it. Because until November, this movie has nothing new on it. And there's nothing to discuss about it. :dunno

And I have every right to be here. I can say good things, and bad things about the film. There is no law that says I have to only be postive. And it's extreamly frustrating how people only have to have one side of the circle. All the Predators threads, I didnt mind the people who hated it...but it got annoying when it stopped being about the movie, and more about me. But I digress.

Besides, I already said, way back, I cannot wait for the earth scenes. That will totally make the film better.

And it's also frustrating that everyone assumes I hate it, when i've stated seven hundred thousand times that I dont. It's a fun movie. But way overrated, and loved by too many stupid people who wanted to commit suicide over this ____ing thing. :lol
 
November. It has the earth scenes, which I thought was a mistake to cut out. The script, when I read it, brought the movie full circle for me. Made Jake Sully a slightly more 3D character....but he's not perfect still.
 
And I have every right to be here.

But you don't have the right to derail threads. Saying "I hate this movie's fans" hundreds of times is not going to be tolerated and its not up for debate. You're certainly free to to express every conceivable negative opinion about any aspect of this film as long as it doesn't derail the thread and isn't trolling.

loved by too many stupid people who wanted to commit suicide over this ____ing thing. :lol

And if one of those "stupid people" ever actually shows up and derails this thread they'll get their posts deleted as well.

Besides, I already said, way back, I cannot wait for the earth scenes. That will totally make the film better.

I can't wait to see the scenes, but I wonder if they'll really make the film better. They didn't make either cut of the first two releases. Cameron has stated he's including the new opening for "fans" but he stated after countless edits the movie always seemed stronger without it.

His editors argued against cutting it, so I'm curious to see which opinion I agree with.

November. It has the earth scenes, which I thought was a mistake to cut out. The script, when I read it, brought the movie full circle for me.

I'm also wondering if the actual in-film visual contrast between Earth and Pandora will also make for a stronger narrative. We'll see.
 
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November. It has the earth scenes, which I thought was a mistake to cut out. The script, when I read it, brought the movie full circle for me. Made Jake Sully a slightly more 3D character....but he's not perfect still.

I heard they might include an 8th disc that has images of all the movie tickets sold plus each individual dollar the movie made.
 
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And I have every right to be here. I can say good things, and bad things about the film. There is no law that says I have to only be postive. And it's extreamly frustrating how people only have to have one side of the circle. All the Predators threads, I didnt mind the people who hated it...but it got annoying when it stopped being about the movie, and more about me. But I digress.
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You have the right, but you're just completely wasting time, energy, and breath, by continuing to post in this thread.
If I didn't care that much about this movie, thought it was good and that's it, and am ready to move on to other things, I wouldn't keep wasting my time checking in on threads I don't really care about. :dunno
 
Anyone who wants to discuss the film, positively or negatively, feel free. Anyone who wants to state that they "hate the fans," "hate what Avatar has become," or "mess with the fans" for the 500th time, find another discussion.

That's all that's now going to be said about it. Any further ignoring of the rules will be deleted without warning. Any questions feel free to PM me. Thank you.
 
There seriously is an earth scene? why does the movie need that?:slap

In the original story treatment there was an ongoing thread of news footage of Avatar being displayed back on Earth, beginning with an elaborate opening sequence with Jake witnessing the footage before his journey into space. He also gets drunk at a party and falls backward over a railing causing the paralysis instead of getting shot assumedly in the line of duty.

On Pandora there was originally to be a reporter/videographer who played an integral part of capturing footage of the battle and a certain message that Jake sends back to anyone else on Earth who might consider plundering Pandora in the future.

By eliminating the entire videography subplot an elongated opening on Earth would exist primarily as a visual contrast to what we see on Pandora, and a visual example of what the planet might become if humans have their way. Cameron has gone on record as saying that the extended opening doesn't belong in the film, but he's still including it in what is essentially an extended "fan edition" of the movie.

I think the re-release SE that debuted in August with the extra nine minutes is his true preferred version of the film.
 
What the Earth scene does is make Jake's character more rounded. It shows WHY he came to Pandora. Sure, the obvious reasons are in the TC, but there's so much that connects back to that scene. And I think it makes Jake's reason for not only being there, but why he joined up with the Na'vi.
 
Here. Read this, and you'll see what was missing. Now it actually has some depth to it.

THE SOUND OF DRUMS, from a great distance, growing louder.

FADE IN:

WE ARE FLYING through mist, a dimly glimpsed forest below.

VOICE (V.O.)
When I was lying there in the VA
hospital, with a big hole blown through
the middle of my life, I started having
these dreams of flying.

We are very low over the forest now, gliding fast, the drums
BUILDING to a PEAK --

VOICE (V.O.)
Sooner or later though, you always have
to wake up...
CUT TO:

EXT. CITY - NIGHT

A SCREECH OF BRAKES as a vehicle WIPES FRAME, revealing --

JAKE SULLY, a scarred and scruffy combat vet, sitting in a
beat up carbon-fiber wheelchair. At 22, his eyes are
hardened by the wisdom and wariness of one who has endured
pain beyond his years.

Jake stares upward at the levels of the city. MAGLEV TRAINS
WHOOSH overhead on elevated tracks, against a sky of garish
advertizing.

JAKE (V.O.)
They can fix a spinal, if you've got the
money. But not on vet benefits, not in
this economy.

The traffic light changes and Jake pushes forward with the
crowd, pumping the wheels of his chair. Most of the people
wear FILTER MASKS to protect them from the toxic air. In a
LONG LENS STACK it is a marching torrent of anonymous,
isolated souls.

INT. JAKE'S APARTMENT - NIGHT

The room is a tiny CUBICLE, prison cell meets 747 bathroom.
Narrow cot, wall-screen droning away in the B.G. --

PERKY NEWSCASTER
The Bengal tiger, extinct for over a
century, is making a comeback. These
cloned tiger cubs at the Beijing Zoo
are...

2.



Jake laboriously pulls his pants off -- rocking to one side,
pushing the fabric down past his hip, then rocking to the
other, and so on.

His legs are white and atrophied. Utterly useless. But his
arms are tattooed and powerfully muscled. A "Born Loser"
tattoo prominent on his shoulder.

JAKE (V.O.)
I became a Marine for the hardship. To
be hammered on the anvil of life. I told
myself I could pass any test a man can
pass.

Jake struggles with his pants a long time.
CUT TO:

INT. ROWDY BAR -- NIGHT

Not the kind of place you'd bring your mom.

We find Jake near the pool table, BALANCING his chair, front
wheels off the ground, while holding a tequila shot on his
forehead. ONLOOKERS, including some other disabled vets,
CLAP and WHOOP.

Jake grabs the glass, SLAMS down the shot as they cheer.

A WALL-SIZED SCREEN filled with the World Cup game -- men
RUNNING on antelope legs.

CU JAKE, watching what he can't have. Expression stony.

JAKE (V.O.)
Let's get it straight up front. I don't
want your pity. I know the world's a
cold-ass _____.

Jake's eyes shift -- HIS POV, seeing the bar through gaps in
the crowd. A MAN on a barstool SLAPS the WOMAN he's with.
Hard. She cowers but he's got her arm, shouting, raising his
fist. An eternal tableau. People look away.

CU JAKE -- not looking away.

JAKE (V.O.)
You want a fair deal, you're on the wrong
planet. The strong prey on the weak.

TIGHT ON JAKE'S HAND as he starts pushing the wheel of his
chair.

TRACKING WITH HIM as he rolls forward.

3.



JAKE (V.O.)
It's just the way things are. And nobody
does a damn thing.

Jake stops, unnoticed, next to the bullying man. He leans
down and grabs one leg of the man's barstool -- and YANKS.

The chair flips. The guy goes down HARD and --

JAKE hurls himself from the wheelchair, toppling on the guy,
getting a grip on him like a pit bull and PUNCHING the crap
out of him, right there on the floor.

THE BOUNCER jumps in, trying to drag him off and it goes into
SLOW MOTION, everybody yelling and pulling...

JAKE (V.O.)
All I ever wanted in my sorry-ass life
was a single thing worth fighting for.
CUT TO:

EXT. ALLEY BEHIND BAR -- NIGHT

THE BOUNCER hurls Jake out the door, sending him SPRAWLING on
the pavement. A moment later, his chair CRASHES down on him,
banging across the alley, landing in the trash.

Jake struggles to rise on one elbow. He's bleeding and
bruised, but still crazed and ready to fight.

JAKE
I hope you realize you've just lost a
customer!

He collapses onto his back, panting.

JAKE
(to himself)
Candy ass _____.

He stares upwards at the levels of the city. MAGTRAINS ROAR
overhead. It starts to RAIN. He just lies there, blinking --
then shouts jauntily to no one in particular --

JAKE
If it ain't rainin' we ain't trainin'!

CAMERA PULLS BACK high and wide, as Jake lies spread-eagled
amongst the trash, getting drenched.

TWO LONG SHADOWS enter FRAME, coming to rest across him.

4.



Jake sees two pairs of SHINY SHOES stop next to him. He
squints up at --

TWO MEN. Matching suits. Their features unremarkable and
blandly threatening in the way of FBI agents and auditors.

AGENT 1
Are you Jake Sully?

JAKE
Step off. You're ruinin' my good mood.

AGENT 2
It's about your brother.
CUT TO:

INT. MUNICIPAL CREMATORIUM - NIGHT

DOWN-ANGLE on a large rectangular cardboard box. HANDS ENTER
FRAME, pulling open the top to reveal a DEAD MAN'S FACE. He
looks EXACTLY like a clean-shaven version of Jake. His
IDENTICAL TWIN -- TOMMY.

JAKE (V.O.)
The strong prey on the weak. A guy with
a knife took all Tommy would ever be, for
the paper in his wallet.

WIDER, showing Jake and the two agents in a high tech
CREMATORIUM -- a row of stainless steel furnaces. Jake
stares down at his own face.

JAKE
Jesus, Tommy.

JAKE (V.O.)
The Suits' concern was touching.

AGENT 1
Your brother represented a significant
investment. We'd like to talk to you
about taking over his contract.

The ATTENDANT closes the box and seals it with a tape
dispenser, like it's a package for shipping. The cardboard
coffin is rolled into the furnace.

JAKE (V.O.)
The egghead and the jarhead. Tommy was
the scientist, not me. He was the one
who wanted to get shot light years out
into space to find the answers.

5.



PUSHING IN ON JAKE as he watches, bathed in orange light.

JAKE (V.O.)
Me -- I was just another dumb grunt
gettin' sent someplace I was gonna
regret.

INSIDE THE FURNACE the burners quickly eat away the
cardboard; TOMMY'S FACE is, for a moment, wreathed in flame
but not touched by it, as we --
DISSOLVE TO:

JAKE'S FACE, in icy darkness. CLOSE ON his eyes -- they OPEN
suddenly, and he takes a sharp breath.

JAKE'S POV -- the inside of a metal coffin. A SERVO WHINE
and we are moving, emerging into a large chamber --

INT. CRYO VAULT

JAKE'S POV -- A TECH in medical scrubs FLOATS WEIGHTLESSLY
toward us. Wherever we are, we're not on Earth.

Jake squints as the lights flicker on, revealing --

WIDE SHOT -- the multi-tiered CRYO VAULT. Hundreds of CRYO-
CAPSULES are opening like morgue drawers, as med techs pull
themselves about in ZERO-G, tending to their patients.

JAKE
(a hoarse whisper)
Are we there?

MED TECH
We're there, Sunshine.
 
In the original story treatment there was an ongoing thread of news footage of Avatar being displayed back on Earth, beginning with an elaborate opening sequence with Jake witnessing the footage before his journey into space. He also gets drunk at a party and falls backward over a railing causing the paralysis instead of getting shot assumedly in the line of duty.

On Pandora there was originally to be a reporter/videographer who played an integral part of capturing footage of the battle and a certain message that Jake sends back to anyone else on Earth who might consider plundering Pandora in the future.

By eliminating the entire videography subplot an elongated opening on Earth would exist primarily as a visual contrast to what we see on Pandora, and a visual example of what the planet might become if humans have their way. Cameron has gone on record as saying that the extended opening doesn't belong in the film, but he's still including it in what is essentially an extended "fan edition" of the movie.

I think the re-release SE that debuted in August with the extra nine minutes is his true preferred version of the film.

Its there going to be a movie based on the stuff happening before Pandora? :slap

What the Earth scene does is make Jake's character more rounded. It shows WHY he came to Pandora. Sure, the obvious reasons are in the TC, but there's so much that connects back to that scene. And I think it makes Jake's reason for not only being there, but why he joined up with the Na'vi.

That isnt really necessary. You dont have to see everything to understand a story. Maybe they will do a SE with Jake as a kid just watching Last of the Mohicans and thinking " want to be an Indian".

And he joined the Na'vi to bang a chick. Plain and simple. if she was fat and ugly, they would have all been wiped out.
 
Its there going to be a movie based on the stuff happening before Pandora? :slap

No.

And he joined the Na'vi to bang a chick. Plain and simple. if she was fat and ugly, they would have all been wiped out.

You might want to watch the first half hour of the film again and take note of the bit about him getting the use of his legs again if he infiltrates the tribe.
 
No.



You might want to watch the first half hour of the film again and take note of the bit about him getting the use of his legs again if he infiltrates the tribe.

Yes I know that so then why is the Earth scene then necessary? If in the beginning of the movie he is in the wheelchair, we can assume he got injured in battle. Do we really need to know how it happened? Unless it was done by a Na'vi or a creature like them, it doesnt matter. Maybe that is why it got cut out of the film.
 
Well, JC is currently writing an Avatar novel that will give us the history of a lot of the main characters. He doesn't plan on doing a prequel movie, but he is doing this novel, that is supposed to come out by the end of this year. He says that this book will be like the "bible" for all future Avatar movies. It's supposed to set the base of everything that happened in the past, how things work, why they do things that way they do them, etc.

We'll see. I'm excited for it and can't wait to read it.
 
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