Justice League Movie (Nov 17th, 2017)

[Captain Clown]

In every single superman scene huh? Well that's depressing, but i can't say I'm surprised.

In some scenes it isn't as noticeable, but in others it sticks out like a sore thumb.

 

[ApeManRyan]

BVS is one that I watched 3 times and by the 3rd time still felt the same I rather watch MOS or Suicide Squad. I know few love that movie and I can respect it but the one thing bugging me lately is how the tides have turned. The people who **** right on BVS when it came out are now in high demand saying they prefer it over JL which makes no sense. I hate it this is why WB can't make there mind up you guys drove them and they listened to you whiners which in fact the decision they made was a good one even with the issues. JL is the better film out of BVS. I'm beating a dead horse but all this hate is really just confusing and the turning to BVS being the superior film when a lot of you ****ted on it when it first came out just makes no sense at all. At least be consistent.

 

[darthkush]

You can like Superman and still enjoy different takes. I like Red Son Communist Superman, too. Personally, I feel like having him return as a disciple of Darkseid could’ve lent itself to some heavy subject matter. Case in point: that idea of the world losing hope without Superman. What if the Justice League know he was the mystery man leading the Apokoliptan Invasion, but no one else does? He breaks free of whatever brainwashing they’ve used on him to that point and then the JL are faced with a moral quandary: do we let people know that this was Superman? Do we hold him responsible? Did he know what he was doing? Has he suffered enough?

There are all kinds of approaches you could take that would fit within the narrative created by MoS and BvS. The problem is, it seems like those of us who enjoyed that take were so in the minority that WB saw fit to throw the baby out with the bath water in favor of something more audience friendly, which is fine, and, like I said, I actually enjoyed a great deal of JL, but, to me, I feel like I’d take consistency and a director’s artistic vision over a movie that was, essentially, created by a committee of studio executives.

I wouldn't be opposed to any of that.....if Batman v Superman had done a better job of giving us, what is, in my opinion, the REAL Superman. All of what you're describing would be perfectly fine....if they hadn't killed Superman in his second appearance. Given everything that has happened with these films and the divided reactions to all of them but Wonder Woman, I think WB had NO CHOICE but to give us this Superman this time or face the possibility that most audiences would never warm to him as a heroic character we'd like to see in future films. Man of Steel is an imperfect but decent origin film, but the beacon of hope Superman that many of us have grown up with has never existed in these films...until this movie. I want to see him for another film or two before we get experimental with the character. It's fine in the comics because we have decades of comics but here, everything is just beginning. Killing him was too soon and making him "evil" is EVEN more out there of a suggestion right now.

 

[EndoSickness]

Ok, lemme get this straight?
They ignored that Supes was already freeing himself from the coffin and they didn´t show him bearded and in black?

I don´t get it, bogles with my mind:
Marvel...almost (Thor: The Dark World. Not bad, but still) nails every ********* movie.
DC...almost (Wonder Woman, beautiful) ******* up every ********* movie?

HOW is that even possible???

 

[a-dev]

You can like Superman and still enjoy different takes. I like Red Son Communist Superman, too. Personally, I feel like having him return as a disciple of Darkseid could’ve lent itself to some heavy subject matter. Case in point: that idea of the world losing hope without Superman. What if the Justice League know he was the mystery man leading the Apokoliptan Invasion, but no one else does? He breaks free of whatever brainwashing they’ve used on him to that point and then the JL are faced with a moral quandary: do we let people know that this was Superman? Do we hold him responsible? Did he know what he was doing? Has he suffered enough?

This would all have worked best in a scenario where audiences weren't already calling him things like ''Murderer of Steel'' or the mocking ''Hopeman'' after his showings in MoS and BvS. Meanwhile, in-universe BvS dealt with a divided public opinion about Superman - they seemingly only became more unanimous in liking him when he died. So what you're describing simply would have reset the public back to not trusting him again. We saw that before.

edit - ah, Darthkush posted something similar while I was typing this

 

[M United]

Ok, lemme get this straight?
They ignored that Supes was already freeing himself from the coffin and they didn´t show him bearded and in black?

I don´t get it, bogles with my mind:
Marvel...almost (Thor: The Dark World. Not bad, but still) nails every ********* movie.
DC...almost (Wonder Woman, beautiful) ******* up every ********* movie?

HOW is that even possible???

Sups was not freeing himself inside the coffin it was just his heart beat ( i don't think he was even dead) it was strong enough to lift up dirt. No sun could get to him so he wouldn't be able to rez himself this is not warcraft.

 

[Niltusk]

I wouldn't be opposed to any of that.....if Batman v Superman had done a better job of giving us, what is, in my opinion, the REAL Superman. All of what you're describing would be perfectly fine....if they hadn't killed Superman in his second appearance. Given everything that has happened with these films and the divided reactions to all of them but Wonder Woman, I think WB had NO CHOICE but to give us this Superman this time or face the possibility that most audiences would never warm to him as a heroic character we'd like to see in future films. Man of Steel is an imperfect but decent origin film, but the beacon of hope Superman that many of us have grown up with has never existed in these films...until this movie. I want to see him for another film or two before we get experimental with the character. It's fine in the comics because we have decades of comics but here, everything is just beginning. Killing him was too soon and making him "evil" is EVEN more out there of a suggestion right now.

Bingo!

This is what they needed right now, Superman was relatable, heroic, and...dominant. This is where they need him to be, in order to start introducing other storylines.

 

[Captain Clown]

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[EndoSickness]

Sups was not freeing himself inside the coffin it was just his heart beat ( i don't think he was even dead) it was strong enough to lift up dirt. No sun could get to him so he wouldn't be able to rez himself this is not warcraft.

I know how Superman works. Thx.
I just didn´t see the movie yet and asked how BAD they ******** this up...

 

[HTHero]

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Man, after seeing Cyborg in the end, I'd much rather get a figure of that version than the one HT is supposed to be making :/

 

[M United]

I know how Superman works. Thx.
I just didn´t see the movie yet and asked how BAD they ******** this up...

Oh sorry i thought you assumed he was dead. I haven't seen the movie yet either just some clips.

 

[EndoSickness]

Oh sorry i thought you assumed he was dead. I haven't seen the movie yet either just some clips.

Nah, I saw BvS and just asked if they completely ignored that...

 

[Dagashi Something]

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[Sidewinder]

I wouldn't be opposed to any of that.....if Batman v Superman had done a better job of giving us, what is, in my opinion, the REAL Superman. All of what you're describing would be perfectly fine....if they hadn't killed Superman in his second appearance. Given everything that has happened with these films and the divided reactions to all of them but Wonder Woman, I think WB had NO CHOICE but to give us this Superman this time or face the possibility that most audiences would never warm to him as a heroic character we'd like to see in future films. Man of Steel is an imperfect but decent origin film, but the beacon of hope Superman that many of us have grown up with has never existed in these films...until this movie. I want to see him for another film or two before we get experimental with the character. It's fine in the comics because we have decades of comics but here, everything is just beginning. Killing him was too soon and making him "evil" is EVEN more out there of a suggestion right now.

Completely agree. I would have been really annoyed if they'd made Superman out to be the enemy in this film. We don't need the Injustice games made into movies thanks very much!



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[Rainpaulo]

We needs the Snyder bluray cut.

 

[北京国安]

So......this sand is just a joke?


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[Niltusk]

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Man, after seeing Cyborg in the end, I'd much rather get a figure of that version than the one HT is supposed to be making :/

Yep, I was thinking really? that couldn't have happened any earlier?

 

[jye4ever]

If you didn't geek out when Superman looked directly at the flash running around the side, you're probably just a burn out. I'm very glad they showcased Superman's speed in this. So many small touches in this film really clicked well.

In my review I mentioned that being my favorite scene in the movie.

I said it made Superman look terrifying.

 

[Rorywan]

Just reading (and looking at pics of gurning Supes) about the digital moustache removal disaster, can't believe it looks that ****.

 

[Darkseed]

Based on early reviews my viewing this afternoon with a resident diehard DC fan should be entertaining......whooo doggie