Justice League Movie (Nov 17th, 2017)

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BVS UE was much better than the theatrical cut and paste movie but it still had issues which should not have been. Why piss off the fans with that ninja turtle doomsday its not like everyone was on board with the DCEU at that stage and they make a controversial copy doomsday. Also throw in the mix a controversial Lex. Stupid in my opinion.

Poorly fleshed out characters and motivations Is the real downfall of this movie.

Even with Lexs horrible rendition, if his motivations or character made sense it would work


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Why they choose lex to be some jittery unstable creep always throws me for a loop.
You literally could of gotten Walter white but you choose some short skinny kid
 
Why they choose lex to be some jittery unstable creep always throws me for a loop.
You literally could of gotten Walter white but you choose some short skinny kid

Eisenberg is one of the oddest and worst casting choices for a comic book film I've ever seen.

Did they look at that horribly overrated Social Network film and say 'Yep, that's our guy, we need an eccentric, twitchy Zuckerberg performance to play a supervillain'?

Even Kevin "I got cgi'd out of a movie" Spacey was a better Luthor.
 
Eh social network was a good if not great movie. I do find his jitteryness weird though. Like he tried to copy Heath ledgers joker and mix it with a nerdy brat. But on the other hand he's simply not a bad actor and I think he could've been okay if they just toned it back and had him be bald LEX LUTHOR from the beginning.


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It's an issue to me because Doomsday is an iconic villain and having him in bvs as a creation of lex luthor is so stupid and disrespectful to the comics.

I don't know if I would say iconic. I'm not a huge Superman fan regardless, but Doomsday was always more like oh look, this beast that killed Superman. It's like Professor Zoom, quite honestly, he isn't that well received as a Flash villain, yet he still had his schemes against Flash. Source material is also a circumstantial thing. If you honestly went the route of having DD origins like in the comics, he probably would never have a live action iteration. Considering Lex is cheap and easy, all Superman movies would essentially just be Luthor.


I also don't understand why people constantly compare Eisenberg to Lex when, he isn't the Lex Luthor everyone knows. Yes the *******ization didn't help, but he isn't at all the character of Lex Luthor, I found the moment of him mentioning his father and the parade as a good like take of why someone like a Luthor would despise such people.

As for the twitchiness, it also is to throw off the scent. No one at any point figured Luthor had pulled all the strings. And some ask why would he even want to duke out Bats and Supes, but he literally already mentioned Darkseid. I get people want methodical and reasonable, but ironically enough, everyone loves Ledger's Joker. If you honestly plan it, Joker had everything worked up right until the end, but he always introduced it as him having no idea what he is doing, or just going with the flow. Luthor has done the same exact thing, yet he gets flak? I always admire those types of villains, just like why I like Quatum of Solace, cause Greene was not some brute or mastermind, or supreme villain. He was just a guy that got put into a corner against an incredible spy, but he always had Bond at a moment of hesitation. Probably not a good point, but too much methodic planning just goes to **** too like Baron Zemo.
 
Eisenberg is one of the oddest and worst casting choices for a comic book film I've ever seen.

Did they look at that horribly overrated Social Network film and say 'Yep, that's our guy, we need an eccentric, twitchy Zuckerberg performance to play a supervillain'?

Even Kevin "I got cgi'd out of a movie" Spacey was a better Luthor.

Right? It’s like a teen joker going up against batman. It doesn’t work and looks silly. Lex to me is supposed to be this calm reserved buissness man who holds his composure. The JL cartoon did an amazing job with this. But WB is so stupid they don’t do there research and seem to get all there ideas from chip, the frat boy who knows a little about comics and plays cod and fortnite daily
 
Why they choose lex to be some jittery unstable creep always throws me for a loop.
You literally could of gotten Walter white but you choose some short skinny kid

Cranston actually auditioned, Snyder said they liked him but when he met Eisenburg for the Jimmy Olson role, and saw he was an ******* and made snyder uncomfortable : it inspired him to cast him as Lex!

Eisenberg is one of the oddest and worst casting choices for a comic book film I've ever seen.

Did they look at that horribly overrated Social Network film and say 'Yep, that's our guy, we need an eccentric, twitchy Zuckerberg performance to play a supervillain'?

Even Kevin "I got cgi'd out of a movie" Spacey was a better Luthor.

What's stupid is he didn't even play Luther like that. If he did it would have been an interesting take. But instead he played a jittery buffoon [emoji85][emoji85][emoji29]


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I don't know if I would say iconic. I'm not a huge Superman fan regardless, but Doomsday was always more like oh look, this beast that killed Superman. It's like Professor Zoom, quite honestly, he isn't that well received as a Flash villain, yet he still had his schemes against Flash. Source material is also a circumstantial thing. If you honestly went the route of having DD origins like in the comics, he probably would never have a live action iteration. Considering Lex is cheap and easy, all Superman movies would essentially just be Luthor.


I also don't understand why people constantly compare Eisenberg to Lex when, he isn't the Lex Luthor everyone knows. Yes the *******ization didn't help, but he isn't at all the character of Lex Luthor, I found the moment of him mentioning his father and the parade as a good like take of why someone like a Luthor would despise such people.

As for the twitchiness, it also is to throw off the scent. No one at any point figured Luthor had pulled all the strings. And some ask why would he even want to duke out Bats and Supes, but he literally already mentioned Darkseid. I get people want methodical and reasonable, but ironically enough, everyone loves Ledger's Joker. If you honestly plan it, Joker had everything worked up right until the end, but he always introduced it as him having no idea what he is doing, or just going with the flow. Luthor has done the same exact thing, yet he gets flak? I always admire those types of villains, just like why I like Quatum of Solace, cause Greene was not some brute or mastermind, or supreme villain. He was just a guy that got put into a corner against an incredible spy, but he always had Bond at a moment of hesitation. Probably not a good point, but too much methodic planning just goes to **** too like Baron Zemo.

They could have created a new monster and just not use Doomsday just like the flash did with the villain Devoe by making a new villain and saved the proper doomsday for the proper death of superman story arc.

Lex i personally didn't hate (but i didn't love him either) but you know the audience is very divisive the DCEU was already fragile it was not worth risking it by putting in another lesser known version of Lex.
 
Cranston actually auditioned, Snyder said they liked him but when he met Eisenburg for the Jimmy Olson role, and saw he was an ******* and made snyder uncomfortable : it inspired him to cast him as Lex!



What's stupid is he didn't even play Luther like that. If he did it would have been an interesting take. But instead he played a jittery buffoon [emoji85][emoji85][emoji29]


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Lol wow. So it was between a guy who had a hit show at the time and looked the part or some Facebook kid who was an ******* .
Dc is a genius!
 
Maybe it's just me, but jittery buffoons seem more scary and unpredictable (especially when you know they're evil geniuses).

I had similar trepidations about Eisenberg as Lex as I did about Ledger as Joker, and both won me over.
 
Eisenberg is one of the oddest and worst casting choices for a comic book film I've ever seen.

Did they look at that horribly overrated Social Network film and say 'Yep, that's our guy, we need an eccentric, twitchy Zuckerberg performance to play a supervillain'?

Even Kevin "I got cgi'd out of a movie" Spacey was a better Luthor.

I wouldn't blame the actor. He was directed to act that way by the director.
 
Maybe it's just me, but jittery buffoons seem more scary and unpredictable (especially when you know they're evil geniuses).

I had similar trepidations about Eisenberg as Lex as I did about Ledger as Joker, and both won me over.

Yikes!
 
Maybe it's just me, but jittery buffoons seem more scary and unpredictable (especially when you know they're evil geniuses).

I had similar trepidations about Eisenberg as Lex as I did about Ledger as Joker, and both won me over.

Yes, jittery buffoons are scarier... Lex is not a jittery buffoon. Extremely poor choice.

Even then, his motivations and character want flushed out. So even his jittery buffoon was poor


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Eisenberg looked and played the part like he was Lex's spoiled son... It was just a poor casting choice.... Snyder thinks he's being clever casting people nobody would expect a sane person to cast... It might pay off once in a great while but it didn't in Eisenberg's case...
 
Taking to Twitter over the weekend, Justice League concept artist Jay Oliva shared some insights into the Snyder Cut, confirming that, "Zack isn’t the kind of director who creates the film in the edit bay. It’s all planned out meticulously from beginning to end. That’s how MoS and BvS was done. What I meant with 99% is that all of the scenes Zack envisioned was shot and exists in one form or another. Of course there are still vfx that is unfinished but I never inferred that the film was 99% done. Rather that Zack’s vision was all shot except for a few reshoots planned. It may not be 100% polished but all of the planned scenes were shot and edited into a full timeline."

BOOM

It DOES! exist albeit in a very unfinished form.

This seems to be the same Jay Oliva who directed some of the dcau features like both parts of The Dark Knight Returns, Flashpoint Paradox as well working on many others (and storyboarding Man of steel along with Zack)

He also said that it was originally planned out as a 5 part story starting with MoS through to BvS - JL1 - JL2 and culminating in MoS2 and that’s he’s one of the few to have seen how the whole thing went. Too bad WB gave us Abortion League instead

I suppose I should add that it could be the Snyder cut will still be the one after the initial vision was compromised, and the tone already changed.

Maybe it's just me, but jittery buffoons seem more scary and unpredictable (especially when you know they're evil geniuses).

I had similar trepidations about Eisenberg as Lex as I did about Ledger as Joker, and both won me over.

I thought lex was decent too. He was a bit silly and yet somehow more menacing (and unpredictable as you said) than 90% of the other cinematic super villains out there. His plan was also pretty good, unlike Zemo’s which relied upon so many things out of his control going his way.

But out of the MCU/DCEU, Zod remains my favorite.
 
Well it was on kevin Smiths show that lady in the crowd had said she saw the Snyder Cut which was complete minus vfx. Always knew it was done just no finished cgi etc.
 
Taking to Twitter over the weekend, Justice League concept artist Jay Oliva shared some insights into the Snyder Cut, confirming that, "Zack isn’t the kind of director who creates the film in the edit bay. It’s all planned out meticulously from beginning to end. That’s how MoS and BvS was done. What I meant with 99% is that all of the scenes Zack envisioned was shot and exists in one form or another. Of course there are still vfx that is unfinished but I never inferred that the film was 99% done. Rather that Zack’s vision was all shot except for a few reshoots planned. It may not be 100% polished but all of the planned scenes were shot and edited into a full timeline."

BOOM

It DOES! exist albeit in a very unfinished form.

This seems to be the same Jay Oliva who directed some of the dcau features like both parts of The Dark Knight Returns, Flashpoint Paradox as well working on many others (and storyboarding Man of steel along with Zack)

He also said that it was originally planned out as a 5 part story starting with MoS through to BvS - JL1 - JL2 and culminating in MoS2 and that’s he’s one of the few to have seen how the whole thing went. Too bad WB gave us Abortion League instead

I suppose I should add that it could be the Snyder cut will still be the one after the initial vision was compromised, and the tone already changed.



I thought lex was decent too. He was a bit silly and yet somehow more menacing (and unpredictable as you said) than 90% of the other cinematic super villains out there. His plan was also pretty good, unlike Zemo’s which relied upon so many things out of his control going his way.

But out of the MCU/DCEU, Zod remains my favorite.

i bet if they released it, nerds online would complete the effects shots and the CGI for free just to have it completed ....
 
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