Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[SNIKT1950]

Fox cares more about money than awards

The same thing could have been said about WB with TDK back in '08.

Awards buzz leads to more money.

 

[Chapter 2099]

I've only read it once and I don't remember much, but IIRC there's no Proff X in the comic and no X23.

Logan lives with his family, in a farm, all mutants are dead because a thing happened, and he himself killed a bunch of mutants in the school, not only that, IM and Cap and most superheroes are also dead.

Arrowguy is blind or something? Spiderwoman is evil, Hulk has an inbred family that kills Logan's family which is what sets him on a path of revenge.

Movie doesn't look anything like the comic. It's a good thing I don't remember much if you ever want to read it, I remember I liked it when I was younger and it's very accessible for non-comic readers.

If they're basing this off of Old Man Logan series, which I highly doubt because I've been let down by every other movie named after a great series (ie. Civil War, Days of Future Past, etc.), then here goes (and you pretty much already summed it up, but yeah):

Logan was fooled by Mysterio into killing all of the X-Men - he then swears off using his claws again and starts a new life, starts a family etc. This was one of many events where villains around the world teamed up and killed all of the worlds superheros (mostly all) and took over. Hulk owned the West. Doom had some territories. Red Skull owned the West and Kingpin owned some land in-between too.

Hulk has a big inbred family as you said and they basically 'own' everything in terms of rent, land, etc. including where Logan lives and thus Logan pays rent. Logan runs out of money - only has days to pay or else. Hawkeye (now blind) comes out of the blue and says: "I got a job. You need money, etc. etc. Let's go."

Long story short, they travel cross country to deliver Super Soldier serum to a contact in hopes of starting a new superhero team. The deal falls through via a double cross from Red Skull. Logan survives. Hawkeye dies, etc. (And as Gaspar eluded to, Spider Girl is Hawkeye's daughter in this and turns bad.)

Logan heads back to find his family killed by the Banner Clan. Logan loses it and kills all of the Hulk's family. He then takes sight at the big guy himself. Kills Hulk.

Logan walks off into the sunset.

*scene*

 

[Chapter 2099]

It was a really good series. But Fox ain't gonna give us that.

 

[GasparZizou]

I think it's a good thing, Logan is looking pretty good without all that.

Besides likes like there will be feels with Logan/X23.

I'm just hoping it's a good TLOU movie so we finally have a good videogame movie.

 

[Chapter 2099]

I think it's a good thing, Logan is looking pretty good without all that.

Besides likes like there will be feels with Logan/X23.

I'm just hoping it's a good TLOU movie so we finally have a good videogame movie.

I still need to play that game.

I'm almost embarrassed at this point that I haven't.

 

[RIDDICK]

The only good thing about OML was the postapoc like setting.
The stories themselves are crap. Tasteless crap, to be exact.

 

[Snake Plissken]

The only good thing about OML was the postapoc like setting.
The stories themselves are crap. Tasteless crap, to be exact.

Most of the franchise is very uninspired uncompelling ****, with only a couple gems.

I think grittiness and violence can give this one a pass.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

While I think this movie will be good and entertaining, I doubt that it'll be Oscar worthy or the comic book movie of the year.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Deadpool is nominated for Golden Globes and possibly Oscars. It's crazy looking back now that it really was the best CBM last year. I've a feeling we'll be doing the same with Logan.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

If Logan is nominated for an Oscar then good for Fox. But I still have my doubts.

 

[Johnny Utah]

It'd be cool if they pulled a Sigourney and Hugh got an acting nom. She was robbed for Aliens.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Most of the franchise is very uninspired uncompelling ****, with only a couple gems.

Its the other way around actually. Mostly great films with a few hiccups.

X-Men (2000) was the perfect film to kick start the genre (Batman & Robin killed). It brought a serious and grounded approach to Marvel lore and sold its protagonist Wolverine beautifully while also giving us a very inspired take on older versions of Xavier and Magneto. 9/10

X2: X-Men United (2003) is arguably one of the greatest CBMs ever made. Singer took the cerebral approach to X-Men canon even further by making human beings the enemy of the piece via William Stryker (brilliantly played by Brian Cox). The film also introduced that other side to Wolverine - the berserker rage which Singer fought the MPAA over, ultimately winning and granting us what is still to this date the most violent action sequence to be shot on film in a PG-13 CBM. 10/10

X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) is a solid action movie with great set pieces. Unfortunately it was a rushed film due to fact that Matthew Vaughn (Singer's replacement) suddenly exiting the film over conflicts with then moronic studio CEO Tom Rothman. Brett Ratner had four months to shoot the film with less than 3 weeks of pre-pro. In the end it turned out a decent action movie but didn't even come close to its masterfully crafted precursors. Still not a bad movie either. 7.5/10

X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) is the first real bad film in the series. Rothman destroyed then-producer Hugh Jackman's idea for an R-rated low-budget Wolvie film and retrofitted it into a "X4" of sorts (as he called it) with a strong commitment to making it safe for the kids (a mindset current Marvel CEO Kevin Feige is also employing to destroy that franchise). In the end the film was a mess, sadly wasting a superb take on Sabretooth by the great Liev Schreiber. 6/10

X-Men: First Class (2011) was the studio's apology for Origins. Rothman's departure allowed franchise showrunner Lauren Donner to do something truly inspired and basically soft-reboot by bringing back Singer and taking the X-Men story forty years into the past to a time where Xavier and Magneto were in their 30s and had just met. The end result a brilliant film by Matthew Vaughn that took the series back to its stellar roots and introduced superb turns by McAvoy and Fassbender that rivaled Stewart and McKellen's. 10/10

The Wolverine (2013) was to be a transcendent auteuristic vision Jackman recruited manga-lover and top tier auteur Darren Aronofsky to make. Unfortunately the studio despite being open to intelligent films again and support to the filmmakers wasn't ready to spend $100+ million on Aronofsky's sinister and brilliant heavy-R-rated take on the Claremont/Miller miniseries. After Aronofsky departed, James Mangold took over and delivered a very different yet inspired direct sequel to X3 where a depressed Wolverine retraces his WWII roots in Japan and regains his heroism. 8/10

Days of Future Past (2014) like X2 is one of the greatest CBMs ever made. The level of complexity and raw emotion explored herein by Singer is basically unreachable over at Feige's brain-dead MCU. A film that literally climaxes with a broken Charles Xavier in his 40s being counceled by his elder self 43 years in the future is something I'm still shocked to say happened in a genre where corporate suits pay the bills. DOFP was the first event movie for the franchise and one that proved that even after 14 years, the X-Men film series still had alot left to say and accomplish. 10/10

Deadpool (2016) is everything it needed to be. A genuine merger of the adult comedy and the action genre. What makes it such a staple in CBM lore? It achieved said merger properly - via the studio's gamble to grant it the coveted R-rating seven-year producer Ryan Reynolds and director Tim Miller had been chasing. Deadpool successfully proved via its massive box office gross (its the highest grossing CBM ever) that some Marvel characters are geared towards adults and to try to adapt them for younger audiences would be a huge mistake (Origins). This movie with a mere $60 million budget finally obliterated the studio-wide ban on adult content for CBMs. Its massive success paved the way for upcoming R-rated content the suits would have otherwise neutered to cater to children (something the MCU is currently acing sadly). 10/10

X-Men: Apocalypse (2016) is the franchise's second truly bad film and that doesn't come from an uninspired approach but rather an undercooked one. Back in 2012 when DOFP was greenlit, the studio in a response to Disney's billion-dollar success with The Avengers granted Singer $250 million to shoot native 3D and deliver a crossover comparable to the rival studio's. For Apocalypse, Singer and writers Simon Kinberg, Dan Harris & Michael Dougherty planned an even bigger feat set to be FOX's biggest and most expensive film of all time. After delivering the script, Singer was allotted half of what he needed. The script was then "reduced" to work with the budget. The end result being an underwhelming and forgettable sequel to the brilliant DOFP. 7/10

So there it is. One bad movie thanks to Rothman, two mediocre movies due to scheduling conflicts and budget concerns, a decent one-off and four truly great films. A franchise I'll take any day in favor of one with an actual commitment to being safe and uninspired - which is Feige's MCU.

Noah Hawley's Legion looks incredible, Josh Boone's New Mutants sounds great and Jim Mangold's Logan looks to be the next TDK and the movie Aronofsky and Jackman were trying to make five years ago in a pre-Deadpool world.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Its the other way around actually. Mostly great films with a few hiccups.

X-Men (2000) was the perfect film to kick start the genre (Batman & Robin killed). It brought a serious and grounded approach to Marvel lore and sold its protagonist Wolverine beautifully while also giving us a very inspired take on older versions of Xavier and Magneto. 9/10

X2: X-Men United (2003) is arguably one of the greatest CBMs ever made. Singer took the cerebral approach to X-Men canon even further by making human beings the enemy of the piece via William Stryker (brilliantly played by Brian Cox). The film also introduced that other side to Wolverine - the berserker rage which Singer fought the MPAA over, ultimately winning and granting us what is still to this date the most violent action sequence to be shot on film in a PG-13 CBM. 10/10

X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) is a solid action movie with great set pieces. Unfortunately it was a rushed film due to fact that Matthew Vaughn (Singer's replacement) suddenly exiting the film over conflicts with then moronic studio CEO Tom Rothman. Brett Ratner had four months to shoot the film with less than 3 weeks of pre-pro. In the end it turned out a decent action movie but didn't even come close to its masterfully crafted precursors. Still not a bad movie either. 7.5/10

X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) is the first real bad film in the series. Rothman destroyed then-producer Hugh Jackman's idea for an R-rated low-budget Wolvie film and retrofitted it into a "X4" of sorts (as he called it) with a strong commitment to making it safe for the kids (a mindset current Marvel CEO Kevin Feige is also employing to destroy that franchise). In the end the film was a mess, sadly wasting a superb take on Sabretooth by the great Liev Schreiber. 6/10

X-Men: First Class (2011) was the studio's apology for Origins. Rothman's departure allowed franchise showrunner Lauren Donner to do something truly inspired and basically soft-reboot by bringing back Singer and taking the X-Men story forty years into the past to a time where Xavier and Magneto were in their 30s and had just met. The end result a brilliant film by Matthew Vaughn that took the series back to its stellar roots and introduced superb turns by McAvoy and Fassbender that rivaled Stewart and McKellen's. 10/10

The Wolverine (2013) was to be a transcendent auteuristic vision Jackman recruited manga-lover and top tier auteur Darren Aronofsky to make. Unfortunately the studio despite being open to intelligent films again and support to the filmmakers wasn't ready to spend $100+ million on Aronofsky's sinister and brilliant heavy-R-rated take on the Claremont/Miller miniseries. After Aronofsky departed, James Mangold took over and delivered a very different yet inspired direct sequel to X3 where a depressed Wolverine retraces his WWII roots in Japan and regains his heroism. 8/10

Days of Future Past (2014) like X2 is one of the greatest CBMs ever made. The level of complexity and raw emotion explored herein by Singer is basically unreachable over at Feige's brain-dead MCU. A film that literally climaxes with a broken Charles Xavier in his 40s being counceled by his elder self 43 years in the future is something I'm still shocked to say happened in a genre where corporate suits pay the bills. DOFP was the first event movie for the franchise and one that proved that even after 14 years, the X-Men film series still had alot left to say and accomplish. 10/10

Deadpool (2016) is everything it needed to be. A genuine merger of the adult comedy and the action genre. What makes it such a staple in CBM lore? It achieved said merger properly - via the studio's gamble to grant it the coveted R-rating seven-year producer Ryan Reynolds and director Tim Miller had been chasing. Deadpool successfully proved via its massive box office gross (its the highest grossing CBM ever) that some Marvel characters are geared towards adults and to try to adapt them for younger audiences would be a huge mistake (Origins). This movie with a mere $60 million budget finally obliterated the studio-wide ban on adult content for CBMs. Its massive success paved the way for upcoming R-rated content the suits would have otherwise neutered to cater to children (something the MCU is currently acing sadly). 10/10

X-Men: Apocalypse (2016) is the franchise's second truly bad film and that doesn't come from an uninspired approach but rather an undercooked one. Back in 2012 when DOFP was greenlit, the studio in a response to Disney's billion-dollar success with The Avengers granted Singer $250 million to shoot native 3D and deliver a crossover comparable to the rival studio's. For Apocalypse, Singer and writers Simon Kinberg, Dan Harris & Michael Dougherty planned an even bigger feat set to be FOX's biggest and most expensive film of all time. After delivering the script, Singer was allotted half of what he needed. The script was then "reduced" to work with the budget. The end result being an underwhelming and forgettable sequel to the brilliant DOFP. 7/10

So there it is. One bad movie thanks to Rothman, two mediocre movies due to scheduling conflicts and budget concerns, a decent one-off and four truly great films. A franchise I'll take any day in favor of one with an actual commitment to being safe and uninspired - which is Feige's MCU.

Noah Hawley's Legion looks incredible, Josh Boone's New Mutants sounds great and Jim Mangold's Logan looks to be the next TDK and the movie Aronofsky and Jackman were trying to make five years ago in a pre-Deadpool world.

X1/X2/FC Excellent.

DOFP meh.

X3/XO/TW/XA meh or crap.

I don't really attach Deadpool to the main series, it's a sidebar. It's good in it's own right.

 

[jye4ever]

I think Logan will win the Oscars, Latin Music Awards, Nobel Peace Prize and Kentucky Derby.

 

[Johnny Utah]

It's amazing how ****ing stupid studios can be, meddling with their own properties, and in the end are surprised when it gets **** reviews and the fans hate it. But they still get lots of money, a new car and a promotion. But who cares about the actual film while we get paid.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

I think Logan will win the Oscars, Latin Music Awards, Nobel Peace Prize and Kentucky Derby.

Hugh wins this for sure!

 

[pturtle]

Its the other way around actually. Mostly great films with a few hiccups.

X-Men (2000) was the perfect film to kick start the genre (Batman & Robin killed). It brought a serious and grounded approach to Marvel lore and sold its protagonist Wolverine beautifully while also giving us a very inspired take on older versions of Xavier and Magneto. 9/10

X2: X-Men United (2003) is arguably one of the greatest CBMs ever made. Singer took the cerebral approach to X-Men canon even further by making human beings the enemy of the piece via William Stryker (brilliantly played by Brian Cox). The film also introduced that other side to Wolverine - the berserker rage which Singer fought the MPAA over, ultimately winning and granting us what is still to this date the most violent action sequence to be shot on film in a PG-13 CBM. 10/10

X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) is a solid action movie with great set pieces. Unfortunately it was a rushed film due to fact that Matthew Vaughn (Singer's replacement) suddenly exiting the film over conflicts with then moronic studio CEO Tom Rothman. Brett Ratner had four months to shoot the film with less than 3 weeks of pre-pro. In the end it turned out a decent action movie but didn't even come close to its masterfully crafted precursors. Still not a bad movie either. 7.5/10

X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) is the first real bad film in the series. Rothman destroyed then-producer Hugh Jackman's idea for an R-rated low-budget Wolvie film and retrofitted it into a "X4" of sorts (as he called it) with a strong commitment to making it safe for the kids (a mindset current Marvel CEO Kevin Feige is also employing to destroy that franchise). In the end the film was a mess, sadly wasting a superb take on Sabretooth by the great Liev Schreiber. 6/10

X-Men: First Class (2011) was the studio's apology for Origins. Rothman's departure allowed franchise showrunner Lauren Donner to do something truly inspired and basically soft-reboot by bringing back Singer and taking the X-Men story forty years into the past to a time where Xavier and Magneto were in their 30s and had just met. The end result a brilliant film by Matthew Vaughn that took the series back to its stellar roots and introduced superb turns by McAvoy and Fassbender that rivaled Stewart and McKellen's. 10/10

The Wolverine (2013) was to be a transcendent auteuristic vision Jackman recruited manga-lover and top tier auteur Darren Aronofsky to make. Unfortunately the studio despite being open to intelligent films again and support to the filmmakers wasn't ready to spend $100+ million on Aronofsky's sinister and brilliant heavy-R-rated take on the Claremont/Miller miniseries. After Aronofsky departed, James Mangold took over and delivered a very different yet inspired direct sequel to X3 where a depressed Wolverine retraces his WWII roots in Japan and regains his heroism. 8/10

Days of Future Past (2014) like X2 is one of the greatest CBMs ever made. The level of complexity and raw emotion explored herein by Singer is basically unreachable over at Feige's brain-dead MCU. A film that literally climaxes with a broken Charles Xavier in his 40s being counceled by his elder self 43 years in the future is something I'm still shocked to say happened in a genre where corporate suits pay the bills. DOFP was the first event movie for the franchise and one that proved that even after 14 years, the X-Men film series still had alot left to say and accomplish. 10/10

Deadpool (2016) is everything it needed to be. A genuine merger of the adult comedy and the action genre. What makes it such a staple in CBM lore? It achieved said merger properly - via the studio's gamble to grant it the coveted R-rating seven-year producer Ryan Reynolds and director Tim Miller had been chasing. Deadpool successfully proved via its massive box office gross (its the highest grossing CBM ever) that some Marvel characters are geared towards adults and to try to adapt them for younger audiences would be a huge mistake (Origins). This movie with a mere $60 million budget finally obliterated the studio-wide ban on adult content for CBMs. Its massive success paved the way for upcoming R-rated content the suits would have otherwise neutered to cater to children (something the MCU is currently acing sadly). 10/10

X-Men: Apocalypse (2016) is the franchise's second truly bad film and that doesn't come from an uninspired approach but rather an undercooked one. Back in 2012 when DOFP was greenlit, the studio in a response to Disney's billion-dollar success with The Avengers granted Singer $250 million to shoot native 3D and deliver a crossover comparable to the rival studio's. For Apocalypse, Singer and writers Simon Kinberg, Dan Harris & Michael Dougherty planned an even bigger feat set to be FOX's biggest and most expensive film of all time. After delivering the script, Singer was allotted half of what he needed. The script was then "reduced" to work with the budget. The end result being an underwhelming and forgettable sequel to the brilliant DOFP. 7/10

So there it is. One bad movie thanks to Rothman, two mediocre movies due to scheduling conflicts and budget concerns, a decent one-off and four truly great films. A franchise I'll take any day in favor of one with an actual commitment to being safe and uninspired - which is Feige's MCU.

Noah Hawley's Legion looks incredible, Josh Boone's New Mutants sounds great and Jim Mangold's Logan looks to be the next TDK and the movie Aronofsky and Jackman were trying to make five years ago in a pre-Deadpool world.

I have a good feeling about New Mutants, but after Logan I'm officially done with superhero movies. A majority of them are just getting worse and worse and the ones considered good are brain dead popcorn entertainment, no different than the Fast and Furious movies.

For me though:

X1 - Good, and kickstarted the golden age of comic book movies.

X2 - top 3 greatest superhero movies of all time.

X3 - terrible movie with some okay action scenes.

Origins - one of the worst superhero movies of all time.

First Class -Easily one of the best superheroes movies ever made.

The Wolverine - okay at best.

DOFP - Easily one of the best superhero movies ever, most consider it to be the best in the franchise but I think that should go to X2.

Deadpool - didn't like it, but it did what it had to do. I would say this movie is as bad as most MCU films except that it's far better directed than those films.

Apocalypse - not a good movie with some pretty cool scenes. It's the X3 of the pre-boot trilogy.

 

[ZaCHw117]

x2 and DOFP are up there with TDK and ESB for me. Just great movies.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

X1/X2/FC Excellent.

DOFP meh.

X3/XO/TW/XA meh or crap.

I don't really attach Deadpool to the main series, it's a sidebar. It's good in it's own right.

That's more accurate.

DOFP is up there in the excellent group...on my list.

Apocalypse is in the ok category along with the first X Men, but X1 is overall a better film.

Deadpool is below X1,X2,FC,DOFP, Apoc...but I don't count it as an official X Men film.

The solo Wolvie films are garbage and X3 ruined one of my favorite characters, Juggernaut, by making him weak, giving him no great action scenes, a stupid outfit and helmet, and using quotes from a youtube video, "I'm the juggernaut b****!"

 

[RIDDICK]

Apocalypse is in the ok category along with the first X Men.

I'm sooooo done with you, guys.