Intellectually your argument works, even without needing to link him to McAvoy. Dementia/Alzheimer's could indeed change a man as drastically as what we saw with Charles. But the movie was already so severed from what came before I personally found Xavier's condition to be just one more disconnect that made it hard for me to "feel" like this was a bookend to what was started so long ago. To keep the ALIENS comparisons going this Professor X felt more like "Ripley 8" to me. A technical extension of the person we saw before but also not.
Just to counterbalance some more of my criticisms two other moments that blew me away:
1. Laura's first talking scene. Totally caught me off guard that she spoke, and then it caught me off guard all over again that not only did she speak but that she spoke Spanish. It makes perfect sense of course but it was just one of those "whoa!" moments. And Jackman and Keen's acting was just perfect in that moment.
2.
Xavier being stabbed by X-24. I didn't know WHAT the fauk was going on. I totally thought that Xavier was remembering the aftermath of "Westchester" when a younger Logan had to put him down to stop the damage Charles was doing. When it hit me that what I was seeing was real and in real time and that X-24 *wasn't* Logan I was blown away and reeling for the entire remainder of the farm sequence. I can't remember the last time I was so caught off guard while watching a movie.
I loved how X23 immediately went for blood on X24 at the farm but he was just too much of a beast to take down even with her lethality.
Regarding alzheimer, you're right about the changes, my dad went from a quiet peacefull man to a raving cursing lunatic before the alzheimer took him out for good.
I really liked the moment in the casino where Logan was cutting through the Reaver soldiers, how they could only move their eyes to see what was coming but could do nothing about it. That was freaking hardcore.
And I also got a chuckle watching the one girl freeze the guy's arm off. It made me go "ohh, that's why so many of those troops have prosthetic limbs..."
Oh it was absolutely telegraphed. But considering the other genuine twists and turns that occurred in the film I was okay with it. And I liked the idea of the adamantium bullet
being extra lethal to X-24 since he didn't have a "true" healing factor like young Logan on account of being manufactured in a lab. His healing factor was artificial hence the need for the special juice.
Intellectually your argument works, even without needing to link him to McAvoy. Dementia/Alzheimer's could indeed change a man as drastically as what we saw with Charles. But the movie was already so severed from what came before I personally found Xavier's condition to be just one more disconnect that made it hard for me to "feel" like this was a bookend to what was started so long ago. To keep the ALIENS comparisons going this Professor X felt more like "Ripley 8" to me. A technical extension of the person we saw before but also not.
Just to counterbalance some more of my criticisms two other moments that blew me away:
1. Laura's first talking scene. Totally caught me off guard that she spoke, and then it caught me off guard all over again that not only did she speak but that she spoke Spanish. It makes perfect sense of course but it was just one of those "whoa!" moments. And Jackman and Keen's acting was just perfect in that moment.
2.
Xavier being stabbed by X-24. I didn't know WHAT the fauk was going on. I totally thought that Xavier was remembering the aftermath of "Westchester" when a younger Logan had to put him down to stop the damage Charles was doing. When it hit me that what I was seeing was real and in real time and that X-24 *wasn't* Logan I was blown away and reeling for the entire remainder of the farm sequence. I can't remember the last time I was so caught off guard while watching a movie.
Didn't feel that out of place to me. My grandfather, who was a stern, hard headed and never swore around us, developed Alzheimers and would proceed to cuss and say extreme vulgar things for the rest of is life to anyone in the room.
I can accept a Prof X with clear dementia dropping fbombs.
The little girl was perfect.
Knowing Charles killed most of his childen, man......
For the most part this is how I felt when I first watched it, it seemed to be trying hard and felt way too disconnected to the original films that it was hard for me to really connect with these characters.
Watching it a second time that all changed though, the movie flowed much better for me, I noticed certain things I didn't notice before and I appreciated how disconnected it felt to the Singer films, and I loved how it just ends. It doesn't make my top 3 FoX-Men films yet but I can see it climbing up in my ranks with more viewings.
I'm curious as to how well a second viewing will fare for me then. Now that I know that he won't appear in costume and that the characters really don't feel very connected to their younger selves I can try to view it as its own thing, nothing more. Maybe it'll feel more like "Unforgiven" where it's this brilliant tale about a killer who has no prior cinematic history even though it's heavily referenced throughout the film.
Yeah, and that was just another moment where it hit me how much I was invested in her character because I was really worried about her in that moment. Pretty amazing that a movie that featured a homicidal little girl casually carrying some dude's severed head could make me like her so much.
Didn't feel that out of place to me. My grandfather, who was a stern, hard headed and never swore around us, developed Alzheimers and would proceed to cuss and say extreme vulgar things for the rest of is life to anyone in the room.
I can accept a Prof X with clear dementia dropping fbombs.
The little girl was perfect.
Knowing Charles killed most of his childen, man......
Yeah, I'm hoping that another viewing will allow me to better accept that it really is the same Charles but with dementia. Part of the reason I found it jarring on my initial viewing is because it just felt like they were trying to make everything "extreme R-rated" for the sake of it. But like you guys say that really is how people often behave with said condition.
Right now I kind of feel a little like a-dev after Rogue One. I *want* this to sync up with the prior films so it can feel more poignant so keep the explanations coming guys!
I honestly expected for you to come here gushing like I did so i'm quite taken back by your initial review of what seems like a very low 85% rating lol.
Bad khev bad khev!
I'm super curious what kara is going to score it, he's staying away from spoilers until he gets a chance to see it 15 years from now for 0.23 cents.
I honestly expected for you to come here gushing like I did so i'm quite taken back by your initial review of what seems like a very low 85% rating lol.
Honestly if this movie is a grand slam for kara that'll be so awesome. That dude is definitely due. And I must say I did a triple take at DiFabio's review. I had to keep reading it to find the sarcasm and then with all of his following posts it hit me that "holy crap he actually loved a movie!"
Yeah, and that was just another moment where it hit me how much I was invested in her character because I was really worried about her in that moment. Pretty amazing that a movie that featured a homicidal little girl casually carrying some dude's severed head could make me like her so much.
Oh and I absolutely hated the Deadpool prologue. So idiotic and more than a little odd that Fox found it suitable to link it to a film that aspired to be as poignant as Logan. What's next, animated Pixar shorts before movies about the Holocaust?
Another reason I couldn't get choked up about
Xavier's death was because we already watched him die and then get resurrected after X3. That's the thing with cbm's, you can kill a character and then bring them back but don't expect to milk the same feels for the same character more than once.
The thing is it wasn't trying to. Mangold has said that if you view the Hugh Jackman/Patrick Stewart X-Men Franchise as a novel, Logan isn't the concluding chapter but rather the epilogue.
The thing is it wasn't trying to. Mangold has said that if you view the Hugh Jackman/Patrick Stewart X-Men Franchise as a novel, Logan isn't the concluding chapter but rather the epilogue.
Xavier's death was because we already watched him die and then get resurrected after X3. That's the thing with cbm's, you can kill a character and then bring them back but don't expect to milk the same feels for the same character more than once.
Oh and I absolutely hated the Deadpool prologue. So idiotic and more than a little odd that Fox found it suitable to link it to a film that aspired to be as poignant as Logan. What's next, animated Pixar shorts before movies about the Holocaust?
Wha...? Okay so now the "Original Donor: James Howlett" on X-23's bio makes more sense. I watched Origins once on TV many years ago and had no idea who James Howlett was supposed to be when the name came up in Logan and thought that maybe he was learning that the lady lied to him about Laura being his daughter.
Wha...? Okay so now the "Original Donor: James Howlett" on X-23's bio makes more sense. I watched Origins once on TV many years ago and had no idea who James Howlett was supposed to be when the name came up in Logan and thought that maybe he was learning that the lady lied to him about Laura being his daughter.
