Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[crows]

I liked her a lot too.

I'm glad they didn't do the cliché thing by having her cry after killing people.

Even she said they were bad people and deserved it

Such an adorable psychopath.

 

[jye4ever]

All kidding aside Logan went from my least anticipated cbm for 2017 to being a beast of a movie, it really got my attention.

I did not think Fox had it in them.

James Mangold needs to direct the Conan sequel next then fire Trevorrow and give Mangold E9!

Doesn't matter who wins, Fox or Marvel, WB still loses lol.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

23>>>>11

 

[jye4ever]

https://www.avclub.com/article/watch-hugh-jackman-go-absolutely-nuts-filming-soun-251657

 

[jye4ever]

Simon Kinberg is now saying that Fox wants to focus on R rated superhero movies here on out.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Simon Kinberg is now saying that Fox wants to focus on R rated superhero movies here on out.

I hope they understand that the R rating is meaningless if the story and the script suck.

 

[theuzi9mm]

I thought The Wolverine was good, it has the same filmmaking style, themes (especially about death, like Jye and Batfan mentioned) and beats running through out it that are in Logan. It makes sense because The Wolverine and Logan both have James Mangold, Hugh Jackman, Scott Frank, and Michael McCusker behind it. You can see the direction that they were going in and what they were going for once you get to Logan.

It's that third act of The Wolverine everything takes a dip. All that goofy ****, the lame use of CGI, Silver Samurai, it just isn't as good as it was earlier.

I'll have to give The Wolverine a re-watch, last year I re-watched Origins. I'm part of the silent minority who actually liked it, despite its flaws which I didn't think were that egregious which I know isn't the general consensus. I agree the 3rd act of Wolverine with the Silver Samurai was a bit silly and brought the movie down a bit, but it was decent overall.

 

[jye4ever]

Love this interview, Mangold doesn't pull any punches on big budget superhero movies, he just goes right to the jugular.

Even the whole cigar/bub schtick had to be sacrificed, he wanted Logan to be taken as seriously as possible.

 

[Khev]

Massive Spoilers Below

I know some of you who loved Logan were put off to varying degrees by the fact that The Force Awakens basically undid everything the heroes fought for and won at the end of Return of the Jedi. And after Rogue One I found myself agreeing with those folks.

How then do you come to terms with the ending of Logan? Literally everything Professor X worked to achieve for mutantkind was destroyed. All those years of the school, the sanctuary, empowering his students and "children," and then Logan reveals that it's all for naught because he up and kills them allegedly during a seizure fit. All mutants, wiped out, in large part by the man who devoted his whole life to protecting them from people who wanted to wipe them out.

So they all die, Xavier lives with that knowledge and guilt, then he dies, then so does Logan. And it's not like TFA where even though Han died there's still two more films in a trilogy where the good guys get to kick ass and emerge victorious. The X-Men are dead, over, and Logan's grave was as much for them as it was for himself. Do you guys like that that's what all prior movies all build up to? That they all fought the good fight and then utterly and completely lost?

What's the point of 90's X-Men Phoenix saga now that we know everyone's ultimate and highly depressing end? Isn't this just Alien 3 all over again in that the heroes "won" because they denied the government their prize bio-weapons but only by paying the ultimate price? And that's it? No hope, no better tomorrow, nothing.

Laura and those other kids really came across as remorseless killing machines, right up until the end, and we didn't get the slightest hint that they would in any way carry the torch that Xavier worked so hard to maintain when he was alive. Should we have gotten an epilogue like old Sarah Connor at the playground but with an adult Laura happily living her life with a husband and kids? Something to show the fruits of Charles' and Logan's sacrifice?

 

[jye4ever]

I'll have to give The Wolverine a re-watch, last year I re-watched Origins. I'm part of the silent minority who actually liked it, despite its flaws which I didn't think were that egregious which I know isn't the general consensus. I agree the 3rd act of Wolverine with the Silver Samurai was a bit silly and brought the movie down a bit, but it was decent overall.

Rewatched Wolverine today, up to him killing Shingen the movie was actually downright engaging.

But man does that 3rd act bring it down, what a shame.

 

[jye4ever]

Massive Spoilers Below

I know some of you who loved Logan were put off to varying degrees by the fact that The Force Awakens basically undid everything the heroes fought for and won at the end of Return of the Jedi. And after Rogue One I found myself agreeing with those folks.

How then do you come to terms with the ending of Logan? Literally everything Professor X worked to achieve for mutantkind was destroyed. All those years of the school, the sanctuary, empowering his students and "children," and then Logan reveals that it's all for naught because he up and kills them allegedly during a seizure fit. All mutants, wiped out, in large part by the man who devoted his whole life to protecting them from people who wanted to wipe them out.

So they all die, Xavier lives with that knowledge and guilt, then he dies, then so does Logan. And it's not like TFA where even though Han died there's still two more films in a trilogy where the good guys get to kick ass and emerge victorious. The X-Men are dead, over, and Logan's grave was as much for them as it was for himself. Do you guys like that that's what all prior movies all build up to? That they all fought the good fight and then utterly and completely lost?

What's the point of 90's X-Men Phoenix saga now that we know everyone's ultimate and highly depressing end?

Especially since by the end of Wolverine he now wanted to live instead of giving up on society and going off to join Jean in phoenix heaven lol.

Logan is a real kick to the nuts ain't it.

But for whatever reason sometimes audiences seek out tragedy instead of hope although Wolverine sacrificing himself to save X23 was supposed to represent hope and his gift to humanity.

I don't see how Wolverine can't be reborn thru X23 since she has his dna.

 

[Khev]

You responded too quickly jye. I was adding two additional paragraphs driving the point home even further.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I don't see how Wolverine can't be reborn thru X23 since she has his dna.

Whoa...you just blew my mind.

 

[jye4ever]

You responded too quickly jye. I was adding two additional paragraphs driving the point home even further.

X23 had a much harder life than Rey.

X23 didn't even get Wolverine's car like Rey got the Falcon after Han's death.

Whoa...you just blew my mind.

Even Professor X came back from oblivion after being disintegrated by Jean.

Yup, we'll see them again.

 

[theuzi9mm]

Massive Spoilers Below

I know some of you who loved Logan were put off to varying degrees by the fact that The Force Awakens basically undid everything the heroes fought for and won at the end of Return of the Jedi. And after Rogue One I found myself agreeing with those folks.

How then do you come to terms with the ending of Logan? Literally everything Professor X worked to achieve for mutantkind was destroyed. All those years of the school, the sanctuary, empowering his students and "children," and then Logan reveals that it's all for naught because he up and kills them allegedly during a seizure fit. All mutants, wiped out, in large part by the man who devoted his whole life to protecting them from people who wanted to wipe them out.

So they all die, Xavier lives with that knowledge and guilt, then he dies, then so does Logan. And it's not like TFA where even though Han died there's still two more films in a trilogy where the good guys get to kick ass and emerge victorious. The X-Men are dead, over, and Logan's grave was as much for them as it was for himself. Do you guys like that that's what all prior movies all build up to? That they all fought the good fight and then utterly and completely lost?

What's the point of 90's X-Men Phoenix saga now that we know everyone's ultimate and highly depressing end? Isn't this just Alien 3 all over again in that the heroes "won" because they denied the government their prize bio-weapons but only by paying the ultimate price? And that's it? No hope, no better tomorrow, nothing.

Laura and those other kids really came across as remorseless killing machines, right up until the end, and we didn't get the slightest hint that they would in any way carry the torch that Xavier worked so hard to maintain when he was alive. Should we have gotten an epilogue like old Sarah Connor at the playground but with an adult Laura happily living her life with a husband and kids? Something to show the fruits of Charles' and Logan's sacrifice?

I only realized the 'downer' aspect of it afterwards when I was thinking more about the movie, as I was more engrossed in the characters I suppose and seeing their sendoffs. I suppose you retain a sense of hope in the fact that there ARE mutant kids still around, and that they could form up and stand up against the evil corporations trying to control or wipe them out. Yes they were relentless killing machines, but they're young and still have hope, and perhaps Laura running into Charles and Logan can give her hope to strive to be 'different'. I guess I feel they (Charles and Logan) are tragic sacrifices, even though they never were able to turn the world around to their favor with mutant/human relations, but with their interaction with Laura perhaps she can 'carry the torch' so to speak. I personally don't think that Laura/X-23 can ever have a 'happy ending' due to just how she is. She'll always be torn.

As to the future, I don't think they 'need' to continue with an earlier x-men franchise, although they certainly did their best to set it up. If done, all I'd look at it is events which happened before and yes, ultimately leading to the end with Logan. Could it work yeah, but I worry about it cheapening the franchise with keeping it going and going and going. I think Logan proves that you CAN let franchises die if you want to believe it. If they never make another 'x men' related film or get Stewart or Jackman to do a cameo in Deadpool or any future iterations, I personally think it would cheapen what they achieved with Logan. Yes from a canon standpoint it wouldn't clash because it would have been in ole man Logan's past being dramatized. But from the overal 'franchise' standpoint I think that'd be the wrong way to go. Get other actors if they must dramatize those stories, and they could be good, but just don't use Stewart or Jackman is where I'm coming from.

 

[Khev]

X23 had a much harder life than Rey.

X23 didn't even get Wolverine's car like Rey got the Falcon after Han's death.

I just want to know what kind of hardware the Canadian military was packing in 2029 to have the Reaver's so terrified of crossing their border to chase some kids in a remote part of the wilderness. Pacific Rim-style Jaegers?

 

[theuzi9mm]

I just want to know what kind of hardware the Canadian military was packing in 2029 to have the Reaver's so terrified of crossing their border to chase some kids in a remote part of the wilderness. Pacific Rim-style Jaegers?

Must be the maple syrup made canadian military and mutants super strong and aggressive

 

[jye4ever]

I just want to know what kind of hardware the Canadian military was packing in 2029 to have the Reaver's so terrified of crossing their border to chase some kids in a remote part of the wilderness. Pacific Rim-style Jaegers?

Yup one of my gripes.

We can run around Vegas with an assault team and weapons out but the Canadian border in the middle of nowhere with no one watching....OH NO, HIT THE BRAKES, IT'S THE CANADIAN FOREST!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The leader of the kinds was able to lift the truck like it was nothing, so he can either control metal like Magneto, or he has telekinesis which means he can move anything, so why didn't he use that against X-24?

 

[jye4ever]

X24 was made of NECA plastic.