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plasmid303
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Is it me, or is the lady behind Sun holding something?
tomandshell
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When captives are forced to build a runway in season three, expect a plane to crash land on it in season five, lol.
My thoughts on who Sayid shoots--Sayid cannot kill Young Ben in 1977 because we already know that Ben grows up to murder his father in the Purge and become the leader of the Others, etc. Maybe Sayid injures young Ben and Juliet takes care of him, causing grown up Ben to be obsessed with Juliet upon her arrival because, as was said, "she reminds him of her." Her being the future version of herself that Ben already met thirty years ago.
Whatever happened, happened. Trying to keep it from happening in the past will only cause it to happen.
But it will be interesting to see how much prior firsthand knowledge about the Losties that adult Ben has been carrying around since childhood (much like Widmore and Locke). Both Richard/Widmore and Ben had been preparing themselves for their eventual meeting of the 815 survivors for years, because they had already interacted with them and knew they would arrive. Richard gives a compass to Locke, who goes back in time and gives the compass to Richard, who years later gives the compass to Locke, who goes back in time and gives the compass to Richard, etc. Everything is happening as a result of things that have already happened.
A. Locke gets on the plane and crashes on the Island
B. Locke eventually meets both Richard and Widmore in the past, revealing to them both that he will eventually crash on the Island
C. Time passes--Richard and Widmore proceed to manipulate events in Locke's life, ensuring that...
A. Locke gets on the plane and crashes on the Island
It's all inevitable and impossible to change.
I am reminded of the scene in The Matrix:
The 815ers back in the 70's, in their attempts to change the future, will only cause the events to unfold exactly as the timeline dictates. Example--Sawyer intervenes in the execution of Amy (foolishly risking a potentially huge change in the history of the island) but all he does is guarantee the birth of Ethan, as was fated all along. It really screws with the idea of cause and effect and free will and destiny.
If Sayid does something drastic to Ben in an attempt to interfere with the timeline and prevent his actions in the future, then it will inevitably and ironically lead to his somehow getting involved with the Others and growing up to be exactly the person that Sayid despises. So let's say that Sayid hurts/traumatizes Ben because he grows up to be a jerk, only ensuring that Ben inevitably grows up to be a jerk because Sayid traumatized him.
Cause and effect are going around in a circle...
My thoughts on who Sayid shoots--Sayid cannot kill Young Ben in 1977 because we already know that Ben grows up to murder his father in the Purge and become the leader of the Others, etc. Maybe Sayid injures young Ben and Juliet takes care of him, causing grown up Ben to be obsessed with Juliet upon her arrival because, as was said, "she reminds him of her." Her being the future version of herself that Ben already met thirty years ago.
Whatever happened, happened. Trying to keep it from happening in the past will only cause it to happen.
But it will be interesting to see how much prior firsthand knowledge about the Losties that adult Ben has been carrying around since childhood (much like Widmore and Locke). Both Richard/Widmore and Ben had been preparing themselves for their eventual meeting of the 815 survivors for years, because they had already interacted with them and knew they would arrive. Richard gives a compass to Locke, who goes back in time and gives the compass to Richard, who years later gives the compass to Locke, who goes back in time and gives the compass to Richard, etc. Everything is happening as a result of things that have already happened.
A. Locke gets on the plane and crashes on the Island
B. Locke eventually meets both Richard and Widmore in the past, revealing to them both that he will eventually crash on the Island
C. Time passes--Richard and Widmore proceed to manipulate events in Locke's life, ensuring that...
A. Locke gets on the plane and crashes on the Island
It's all inevitable and impossible to change.
I am reminded of the scene in The Matrix:
The 815ers back in the 70's, in their attempts to change the future, will only cause the events to unfold exactly as the timeline dictates. Example--Sawyer intervenes in the execution of Amy (foolishly risking a potentially huge change in the history of the island) but all he does is guarantee the birth of Ethan, as was fated all along. It really screws with the idea of cause and effect and free will and destiny.
If Sayid does something drastic to Ben in an attempt to interfere with the timeline and prevent his actions in the future, then it will inevitably and ironically lead to his somehow getting involved with the Others and growing up to be exactly the person that Sayid despises. So let's say that Sayid hurts/traumatizes Ben because he grows up to be a jerk, only ensuring that Ben inevitably grows up to be a jerk because Sayid traumatized him.
Cause and effect are going around in a circle...
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Tom, you is da man. That's pretty much how it all works.
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GrueSam
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Yes, Tom, Thanx!
Darth Caedus
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Yea, ever since the island has been flashing back and forth in time I have been wondering how much information BEN has had since childhood (knew that he would have to run into some losties when he was younger). He knows so much because he knows what's going to happen, knows it from the names and the appearances of the losties.
As for why Sun didn't flash, she was pregnant when she left and she didn't bring her baby with her, so she couldn't have flashed without the kid.
This stuff is exactly why I love time-travel plot devices (if done correctly). The very events that the people sent back in time try to stop is precipitated and added by the very means by which they try to stop it. And Lost has done it right, I love it.
As for why Sun didn't flash, she was pregnant when she left and she didn't bring her baby with her, so she couldn't have flashed without the kid.
This stuff is exactly why I love time-travel plot devices (if done correctly). The very events that the people sent back in time try to stop is precipitated and added by the very means by which they try to stop it. And Lost has done it right, I love it.
Awesome episode!!
And very interesting theories!!
I was wondering about the runway, now it all makes sense!
Show keeps getting better and better!!!
And very interesting theories!!
I was wondering about the runway, now it all makes sense!
Show keeps getting better and better!!!
Darth Caedus
Formerly Congerking
I personally think, that Ben's whole purpose was to get the Losties back to the 70s and use the information he had as a kid to use as an adult. Now that he did that, I don't think he'll me useful anymore and he'll be killed off.
OH and for no more breaks, WRONG. APRIL 22 is a Clip Show
OH and for no more breaks, WRONG. APRIL 22 is a Clip Show
Darth Caedus
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Yea, I think Phil knows something, or is beginning to suspect something about the "new" recruits
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On Lost-forum.com they are showing pictures of what appears to be a woman standing behind Sun when she is talking to Christian. Speculation is that it's Charlotte. Outside chance possibly Claire.
At first people were saying it was an error in the production, and basically it was someone from the crew on a computer in the shot. But that seems to not be the case.....the editors would have noticed it, so it seems to be there for a reason. But it could still be a mistake, because the movement of the person just seemed so casual as if they were watching the film on a screen in front of them.
But who is it? I would guess Claire because she was last seen hanging around with Christian and I am sure she is now always with him. I know Claire is alive, she never died. Charlotte is dead and she died in another time right? I just don't see her (alive or re-incarnated body) walking around in 2007.
Some other pics from Lostpedia:
This episode was "ok". It came across as "filler", for some reason. I also could see the young Ben "surprise" coming from a mile away.
I do like the new Sawyer, though. Very interesting to see the "leader" role reversal with Jack.
Cool to see all of that grey on Miles.
I do like the new Sawyer, though. Very interesting to see the "leader" role reversal with Jack.
Cool to see all of that grey on Miles.
Shropt
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Today is mother ^^^^ing Lost Day!!!
yeah, Yeah, YEAH, ^^^^ YEAH!!!!
Think we'll finally learn where Faraday has been hiding?
yeah, Yeah, YEAH, ^^^^ YEAH!!!!
Think we'll finally learn where Faraday has been hiding?
Nuka Cola Kidd
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I wish everyday was LOST day.
Darth Caedus
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Lost < 12 Hours
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Damon and Carlton confirmed it was their fault with the screw up of Charlotte's birthday. The fact being that in episode 402 they said she was born in 1979, but a few episodes ago we saw her alive as a kid in 1974. Basically they admitted to the screw up and that's it. Doesn't look like anything can be done to fix it.
Ben must have got bad intel in season 4 on her then.
Ben must have got bad intel in season 4 on her then.
Good theory, but I always assumed the 'her' was Annie. Surely they'll bring her back into the story at some point, this 70s trip seems like a good time. The producers already confirmed she plays a huge part in Ben's life.
Agreed, it's cool how the 815ers current actions affect their pasts. It'll be fun to see who is responsible for the est. of 'The Button'. Desmond would be the most ironic I suppose since he pressed it the most, but he's currently MIA.
I've got a feeling there's got to be some deaths soon! Every time the cast swells to this size, they start picking people off. And surely they will get back to 2008 by the end of this season. No way they'll spend another chunk of the last season with the gang stuck in the 70s, right?
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