LOST discussion - thar be spoilers ahead!

[Giant Chicken]

I have really enjoyed the past few episodes but I have not been in awe! I just keep reminding myself that everything that we are seeing already happened... so for some reason it has taken just a tad of the thrill out of it.

Random thoughts before my bed time!

- Hurley/Miles conversation... it is the exact conversation that my wife and I have been having for two weeks. My wife is annoyed with the show because she keeps taking her arguments to Back To The Future... and then they actually brought that up in tonights episode.

-Sawyer seemed to tell Kate that he is sticking with Julliette.

-Kate really seems that she is not into Jack.

-If Ben does infact forget the shooting/Sayid, does he also forget all of the other castaways???



Overall, the show seems to have begun the downward slope of its story. I like it but it makes me sad.

 

[Entropy]

So if Radzinski was stationed in the Swan with Kelvin Inman after "the incident", which necessitated the creation and pushing of the button to relieve the EM discharge that builds up every 108 minutes, that would explain why he survives The Purge in 1992 and why he thinks the entire island is poisoned, he and Kelvin are the last members of Dharma, hence the biohazard suits Desmond and Kelvin wear as well as the injections. Or it could have been Radzinski's lie to control Kelvin and convince him not to leave? Perhaps Radzinski was manipulating Kelvin the way Kelvin played Desmond? and perhaps Radzinski died the same way Kelvin did, murdered by his hatchmate while attempting to leave after he discovered the lie?

But if it was the real Radzinski stuck in the Swan, and not just someone unfamiliar with the island layout wearing his jumpsuit (Farraday?), why would he create the map on the blast door and why would it not be more complete since Radzinski helped plan and build the Dharma stations?

EDIT: can't wait till we see more of "The Incident Room" and who screwed everything up:
https://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/...ret_Swan.jpg/800px-Behind_the_Secret_Swan.jpg

 

[Darklord Dave]

Just so there's no confusion - a thread with "spoiler" in the title is for discussion of a show or movie that has already been officially released, so any informatoin that has been broadcast is fair game. However information that hasn't come from the show as regularly broadcast should always be in spoiler tags or not posted at all.

Okay, I'm not getting why some of the Losties are so adamant to try to keep Ben alive. They know he kills the entire Dharma initiative. If I were Jack, I'd bring up the "would you kill Hitler as a baby?" argument.

 

[barryo]

so the losties had a hand in turning ben into the person we've grown to distrust. i see it as a chain of events. sayid shoots ben, jack refuses to operate on him, juliette suggests the others can help him (dont know if she knows how though) kate & sawyer actually take him to rupert who states that ben will never be the same & his innocence as a child will be lost forever. i came away from the show thinking if they wouldnt have saved him that there would be a totally different outcome & that they could change things in the future. now from that would their future have been better or worst than what they have already been thru.........
it looks as if they had a chance to make things right & blew it.

loved this episode a lot & liked how miles and hurley were the writers voice of explination..........right up until hurley asks why wouldnt ben remember sayid & blew mile's mind (he seemed so certain what he was talking about too)...........

 

[EVILFACE]

What the hell would have happened if Jack had saved Ben?

He would not have become a Other. And if he did save him, Ben would have remembered being shot by a Other.

 

[DarthNeil]

I loved the time travel discussion between Hurley and Miles.

Back to the Future...

I loved the interplay between Miles and Hurley... Great stuff.

 

[Darth Caedus]

EDIT: can't wait till we see more of "The Incident Room" and who screwed everything up:
https://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/...ret_Swan.jpg/800px-Behind_the_Secret_Swan.jpg

Yep, I think that when the "incident" is shown, Faraday is going to be right in the middle of it. Who knows, maybe that's how they get out of the 70s.

 

[Shropt]

I could see this all explained away via the C-3PO technique. Much like C-3PO at the end of Episode 3 they will find a way to wipe his memory.

Woot! I called that.

This episode was great for the simple reason that Sawyer doesn't want Kate and Kate didn't return to the island for Sawyer! Thank god!

Oh, and Jack is finally smart again. He isn't going to do anything unless the island tells him to do it. That is awesome!

 

[Michael Crawford]

I've really been enjoying this season...up to last night. It was a really lame episode for me. It had it's moments (I loved the conversations around time travel), but it had two major issues that just bug the crap out of me.

First, the extreme desire to save Ben, even at the potential of ruining all their lives. This is the kid that's going to kill everyone in camp...possibly even them...and the writer's did a terrible job setting up the motivation for Juliette and Kate to save him. Because he's a kid? Please. This is an fine example of writer's wanting the story to go someplace, and forcing it there even if it doesn't fit. I expect more out of the show.

My other issue that bugs me even more is the lame ass writer cop out as to why Ben doesn't remember Sayid later. "He'll forget all of this". Complete soap opera crap. Using a crutch like that is no better than throwing in an evil twin or 'it was all a dream' excuses. And again, I have come to expect better out of them.

Hopefully next week will get things back on track.

 

[Shropt]

My other issue that bugs me even more is the lame ass writer cop out as to why Ben doesn't remember Sayid later. "He'll forget all of this". Complete soap opera crap. Using a crutch like that is no better than throwing in an evil twin or 'it was all a dream' excuses. And again, I have come to expect better out of them.

I wouldn't worry about this because I'm hoping the memory wipe will be done in a very cool and interesting fashion that will result in something else happening.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Woot! I called that.

This episode was great for the simple reason that Sawyer doesn't want Kate and Kate didn't return to the island for Sawyer! Thank god!

Oh, and Jack is finally smart again. He isn't going to do anything unless the island tells him to do it. That is awesome!

It's funny, at the beginning Jack didn't believe in the whole "island" concept and just wanted to get off it, budding heads with Locke who believe he was there for a reason. NOW, Jack is the total opposite and almost like Locke. HILARIOUS !!!!!

And for Kate/Sawyer, I would say Thank God as well, never liked Kate, hope she's the one who dies at the end of the season.

 

[Moonloop]

Well I don't know if all of Ben's memory will be erased or if only the shooting will be erased. Because in Season 3, some person (I cannot remember who) tells Juliet that Ben is so protective of her because "she reminds him of her". Probably referring to Juliet while she was taking care of him in his death bed. So he remembers some vague moments at the very least.

 

[El Skutto]

I wouldn't worry about this because I'm hoping the memory wipe will be done in a very cool and interesting fashion that will result in something else happening.

I read somewhere that the temple that Richard enters with Ben tends to mess with people's memories, like it did with Rousseau's teammates. That's why Richard said Ben would have no memory of those events, and would become an Other for good.

 

[DarthNeil]

I've really been enjoying this season...up to last night. It was a really lame episode for me. It had it's moments (I loved the conversations around time travel), but it had two major issues that just bug the crap out of me.

First, the extreme desire to save Ben, even at the potential of ruining all their lives. This is the kid that's going to kill everyone in camp...possibly even them...and the writer's did a terrible job setting up the motivation for Juliette and Kate to save him. Because he's a kid? Please. This is an fine example of writer's wanting the story to go someplace, and forcing it there even if it doesn't fit. I expect more out of the show.
.

Don't you think though that because it was a flashback of Kate essentially giving up her child (and thus losing a child) that hightened her reasoning for saving a child?

Just a thought.

 

[Kuzeh]

I agree with Michael, some of the stuff they did last nigth felt a little bit like Heroes to me... "oh yeah, he won't remember anything... he'll loose his innocence"... seriously WTF??...
I liked parts of the episodes, like Hurley-Miles bits, really great stuff there... and Ben waking up to Locke was awesome, but some things felt too forced for me... I did like that Jack didn't save Ben too...
I'm thinking that the writers can pull it off, but they've put themselves into such a complex story, that some of the answers will put off some fans of the show...

 

[plasmid303]

There's a possibility that what child Ben will go through emotionally, psychologically while growing up with The Others will be more traumatizing than what happened with Sayid. And Richard never really says explicitly that they were going to wipe Ben's memory. Something will probably happen in the coming episodes that will induce Ben's loss of memory and fully explain why he won't remember Sayid. I did like listening to Hurley and Miles try to figure it out.

Great episode, has anyone mentioned the blonde lady in the grocery store who (ostensibly) tried to take Aaron? That looked like an older Claire or something.

 

[Kuzeh]

has anyone mentioned the blonde lady in the grocery store who (ostensibly) tried to take Aaron? That looked like an older Claire or something.

I noticed that too, but only when we see her from the back... her face looks nothing like Claire... more like uglier or bizarro world Claire...

 

[Darthrazz]

Well, Richard said that he won't remember any of this. That statement is pretty broad. Remember what? Being Shot? Or the act of kindness of Kate, Juliette, or Sawyer? I think that was left too open......Now what if they DID wipe all his thoughts??? Remember Ben believed he was born on the Island. Next weeks preview shows Ben searching through the Temple. What if he discovers the truth that he was originally not an OTHER?? I know that he returns to the DHARMA camp, but who knows what he or who he believes he is?? What if the others are sent to seventies to ensure that it is LOCKE that turns the Donkey Wheel instead of Ben?? And time continues to loop until Locke eventually does?? I must now stop my brain hurts!

 

[Agent0028]

Jack would be the one I would expect to be gung-ho for saving little Ben given the hippocratic oath and all. I would think the others would be the ones saying let him die.

I'm going to wait to see how they play his memory loss before I come down hard on it. I think they will do it in a way that makes sense.

 

[Entropy]

that is no better than throwing in an evil twin

With time travel afoot, duplicate selves in the same time period, and the Lost tie in book "The Bad Twin" I wouldn't be surprised if we see an "evil twin" on the show.


Here's my guesses/theory on how the rest of season 5 will play out:

Charles Widmore, now leader of the Hostiles/Others, gets angry at Richard for helping Ben, an outsider and Dharma kid. Ben is now a threat to his control. A rift develops between Widmore, his wife/girlfriend, a now pregnant Ellie, and Richard. One or more of the 815ers is responsible (on purpose?) for the "The Incident" in the Swan, resulting in the EM buildup that must now be discharged by the Button. This radiation is responsible for bad pregnancies on the island and Ellie must leave the island to give birth to Daniel. The Incident leads to a breaking of the Dharma/Hostiles truce and war begins, during which several of the cast are killed.

With the island threatened, after getting info from Richard, Ben 'tricks' Widmore into turning the frozen donkey wheel causing him to unknowingly blinkoff the island to Tunisia and starting his quest to return and regain power and/or immortality. The 815ers all rejoin the same time in 2008 as a result and Sun and Jin are reunited. With Widmore gone, young Ben is now est. as the new leader of The Others. Ben's "rebirth"/healing allows him to communicate with Jacob and makes him "special" like Richard. Jacob and Ben meet for the first time and Jacob reveals himself to Ben and the audience. He sends Ben back to his dad and Dharma as an insider and spy.