There's also all sorts of stuff like this:
Of course it doesn't mean anything as if that really were Terry O'Quinn, the writers could always re-cast, change their minds or whathaveyou.
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There's also all sorts of stuff like this:
Of course it doesn't mean anything as if that really were Terry O'Quinn, the writers could always re-cast, change their minds or whathaveyou.
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I like that theory Dave
One would think it follows that whatever happened to reanimate Locke also happened to Christian only that they've treated Christian much more like a ghost, appearing only to individuals (with Claire and Locke in the cabin being a notable exception) and disappearing mysteriously.
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There's also all sorts of stuff like this:
Of course it doesn't mean anything as if that really were Terry O'Quinn, the writers could always re-cast, change their minds or whathaveyou.
On the DVD they said that the guy in the cabin was a sound producer or something. Basically he was on set and they grabbed him to stand in for the shot.
I don't think that image is really relevant to who or what Jacob looks like.
Ah, interesting.
They're constantly surprising me on this show. I'm sure the S5 finale will be no exception.
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That shot was meant to be practically subliminal--they wanted you to be unsure of whether or not you even saw someone. (When it first aired, I saw a seated figure for a brief second, but my wife didn't.) While the producers are aware that the fans dig to that level of detail now that we can pause our HD recording of the show, there are times when they still choose to show something that isn't intended to hold up to such scrutiny--like the newspaper clipping of Locke's obituary, which the producers reserved the right to rewrite when the time came to examine it more fully the following season. At times, they have to introduce the idea or presence of a character before an actor has been hired, as with Desmond's picture with Penny before she was cast. I file the brief glimpse of Jacob under this category.
I'm not convinced of anything regarding Jacob at the moment. It's anybody's guess as to whether he's a new actor, a previously seen actor, or no actor at all. (Although the buzz seems to indicate that an actor has been cast.) We'll see next Wednesday.
Or will we?
I'm not convinced of anything regarding Jacob at the moment. It's anybody's guess as to whether he's a new actor, a previously seen actor, or no actor at all. (Although the buzz seems to indicate that an actor has been cast.) We'll see next Wednesday.
Or will we?
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It's like when they chose this guy to be stationed in Penny's listening station:
Why hire somebody who looks exactly like Jack? They enjoy toying with us...
Why hire somebody who looks exactly like Jack? They enjoy toying with us...
Just re-watching a few old eps. There are so many parent/child issues on this show. Kate and Ben both kill their fathers. Wonder if they'll ever get back to or explain that 'Locke must kill his father to be accepted among the others' business?
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I need to go back and watch some old episodes, and thankfully seasons one and two come out on Blu-ray next month. I watched season two on my iPod, believe it or not. I'm ready to see it in high def.
Which episode was it when Kate ran into Widmore's horse?
Which episode was it when Kate ran into Widmore's horse?
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Just watched that one. "What Kate Did"
Silly Not Jack Casting:
Isnt that one of the Portuguese guys?
see above, post 3190.
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What's really annoying me right now is Jack--does he really think that if he detonates the bomb, that his consciousness will be magically transported to 2004 on a Flight 815 that never crashes? (And with or without the memories of the past five seasons?)
I personally don't believe that he can alter the timeline--but even if he could, why does he assume that he would flash ahead 27 years into the future of that altered timeline and live life as usual? If he survived the blast, wouldn't he just remain in the revised 1977 and live out the rest of his days on the island (content with the knowledge that eventually, the corresponding alternate timeline/future/younger version of himself won't crash there since he changed history)? I can accept his being willing to sacrifice his life so that the future version of himself and the others in the 2004-B that he's trying to create will never crash--but that still leaves "current" Jack and Sayid and the rest stuck in 1977-B. (Apart from any magical vanishing act, which I just wouldn't accept.)
At any rate, I guess that in the finale we will see:
1. Jack's plan failing, allowing the Incident to play out as it was meant to, resulting in the creation of the Swan and the crash of 815.
2. Jack's plan succeeding, but ironically and inevitably still creating the Incident and guaranteeing that history will play out just as it was meant to (as with Sayid trying to kill Ben but only turning him into an Other). So it was Jack's fault that the plane crashed! How guilty and responsible will he feel now?
3. Jack's plan succeeding, with no Swan station and no crash of 815.
But where would the show go from there? They might just leave us with a mushroom cloud, so we can wonder for nine months how the show is going to continue as it reaches the final season.
Or they could defy logic, go with #3 and end this season with a scene of 815 landing safely in Los Angeles in 2004, with the passengers getting off as total strangers and going their separate ways because Jack's plan worked. I have no idea where the show would go from there.
I personally don't believe that he can alter the timeline--but even if he could, why does he assume that he would flash ahead 27 years into the future of that altered timeline and live life as usual? If he survived the blast, wouldn't he just remain in the revised 1977 and live out the rest of his days on the island (content with the knowledge that eventually, the corresponding alternate timeline/future/younger version of himself won't crash there since he changed history)? I can accept his being willing to sacrifice his life so that the future version of himself and the others in the 2004-B that he's trying to create will never crash--but that still leaves "current" Jack and Sayid and the rest stuck in 1977-B. (Apart from any magical vanishing act, which I just wouldn't accept.)
At any rate, I guess that in the finale we will see:
1. Jack's plan failing, allowing the Incident to play out as it was meant to, resulting in the creation of the Swan and the crash of 815.
2. Jack's plan succeeding, but ironically and inevitably still creating the Incident and guaranteeing that history will play out just as it was meant to (as with Sayid trying to kill Ben but only turning him into an Other). So it was Jack's fault that the plane crashed! How guilty and responsible will he feel now?
3. Jack's plan succeeding, with no Swan station and no crash of 815.
But where would the show go from there? They might just leave us with a mushroom cloud, so we can wonder for nine months how the show is going to continue as it reaches the final season.
Or they could defy logic, go with #3 and end this season with a scene of 815 landing safely in Los Angeles in 2004, with the passengers getting off as total strangers and going their separate ways because Jack's plan worked. I have no idea where the show would go from there.
Jacob was played by prop master Rob Kyker.
#2 is a lock, imo. Jack and Daniel and Ellie all share the blame. My guess is the Incident somehow regroups all the Losties (those that aren't killed) in a time period (the present?), Jin & Sun reunite, and they have to have some big cliffhanger after that, so my bet is it either involves Jacob, explanation of the statue and what lies in the shadow of it, or old Widmore steps out of the jungle and reveals he has returned to "his" island.
And there is no dividing timeline, there is and can only be 1 Jack, unless they want to delve into alternate dimensions and parallel universes which I'm fairly confident they have no desire to introduce. His 2004 self cannot crash on the island if his 2008 self (stuck in 1978) prevents it and he cannot prevent it if his plane lands safely. So what happened to the universe in event of a paradox? destruction? or do those people and events simply divide off into a temporal cul-de-sac, forever repeating themselves in an ouroboros and those involved are unable to live out the rest of their days?
In addition to Kyker, Carlton Cuse provided the voice of Jacob.
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I learned this lesson about time travel when I was a kid. I used to play an "if" game when I was 8 or 9 out of a twisted desire to trick God.
If I have free will and come to a fork in the road, I can choose left or right. But God, having knowledge of all events past, present, future will know which I choose. Even if I was going to choose right, and had every reason to do so, but wanted to throw God for a loop by choosing left or going back the way I came or running off the road, he would already know it. Hell, he'd know it even before I was born. He's reading from the book of my life and while I am currently in the process of writing it, the words and ink for all future events are already in place. In this sense, we have no free will. Whatever decisions we make, we will always make. We are going to do what we are going to do and there is no time line where I went left instead of right. There is no alternate time line where JFK decided to cancel the Dallas motorcade and lived. We are all rocketing towards a destiny. Years and years from now, our choices are made and biographies written. They cannot be changed.
If I have free will and come to a fork in the road, I can choose left or right. But God, having knowledge of all events past, present, future will know which I choose. Even if I was going to choose right, and had every reason to do so, but wanted to throw God for a loop by choosing left or going back the way I came or running off the road, he would already know it. Hell, he'd know it even before I was born. He's reading from the book of my life and while I am currently in the process of writing it, the words and ink for all future events are already in place. In this sense, we have no free will. Whatever decisions we make, we will always make. We are going to do what we are going to do and there is no time line where I went left instead of right. There is no alternate time line where JFK decided to cancel the Dallas motorcade and lived. We are all rocketing towards a destiny. Years and years from now, our choices are made and biographies written. They cannot be changed.
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Giant Chicken
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But we are the ones making the decisions... so it IS free will!
I believe in God and I believe that he knows EVERYTHING! But just becuase HE knows what I am going to do dosnt mean I dont have free will...
I can make ANY decision that I want to make... HE just knows what I will decide though. It is totally trippy when you think about it.
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