LOST discussion - thar be spoilers ahead!

[Darklord Dave]

The below theories are quite interesting. I picked them up online:

Excerpt from a longer article regarding last night's episode by By Jeff Jensen, "Lost Recap":


MY ALTERNATIVE JACOB-FLASHBACK THEORY It’s the Harry Potter/Horcrux idea. Also see: Spock downloading his mind into McCoy in the second Star Trek movie. Jacob was imbuing each of the castaways with the essence of himself or parts of his soul. Now that he’s been gutted and his life is imperiled, he’s going to summon the castaways to the present to collect his missing pieces to heal himself.

Oh, I like the Horcrux idea! Did Jacob give something to all of them? Kate got the lunchbox, Sawyer the pen, Jack the candy bar - what else? And it didn't dawn on me that Juliet's flashback didn't have Jacob in it - perhaps she missed him somehow and thus her death will be the only final one come next season. And he didn't want Miles there anyway, so perhaps Miles is dead too?

 

[Darth Caedus]

I'm thinking for the series finale it will be:

Locke vrs Evil Locke... Sword fight on the foot of the statue.. only 1 Locke can survive...One Locke to Rule Them All

 

[tomandshell]

I am really liking the horcrux idea. Did he give something to Sayid? I haven't rewatched that scene yet, and I'm wondering how fatal the gunshot would is going to be. There is often en early season main character death (Shannon, Mr. Eko, Charlotte, etc.) and I hope that Sayid's lingering injury doesn't make him the first casualty of season six.

 

[Moonloop]

What if Juliet is the Smoke Monster?? She was wrapped up in chains, and the mechanical sound that held up the drill is the same sound we hear when the monster appears, and it sounds like chains unraveling or at least spinning when Locke was grabbed, and pulled through the jungle.

Perhaps Juliet becomes a vengeful spirit in the future??

No, because we saw in the 70s that the Dharma Initiative already have the sonar fence up. Which we know keeps the smoke monster away from the barracks. And even Richard said something like, "your fence might keep other things out, but not us". I am sure he was referring to the smoke monster. The smoke monster has existed for a very very very long time as we see it lives in the temple and the ancient Egyptians wrote about it in their paintings on the walls.

 

[The Ween]

Oh, I like the Horcrux idea! Did Jacob give something to all of them? Kate got the lunchbox, Sawyer the pen, Jack the candy bar - what else? And it didn't dawn on me that Juliet's flashback didn't have Jacob in it - perhaps she missed him somehow and thus her death will be the only final one come next season. And he didn't want Miles there anyway, so perhaps Miles is dead too?

Hurley got the guitar, but I can't think if Sayid got anything. Well, other than a dead wife.

 

[Nuka Cola Kidd]

I think im right....

Spoiler

I'm thinking the alive Locke is Wittmore...and that is his loop hole in getting back to the island (coming back as another person)

and by the end of the show they better make everything right and bring Juliet back! It could have been her eye at the end..possibly

Because no one wants to be back to the island more then him, and being that Jacob banished him, of course he'd want to kill him.

 

[Memnoch]

Then how do you explain Widmore off the Island and Locke ON the Island at the same time?

 

[Nuka Cola Kidd]

We haven't seen widmore since the group crashed again, so why couldn't it be him..

 

[Memnoch]

We haven't seen widmore since the group crashed again, so why couldn't it be him..

But we have, he was outside the hospital talking to Eloise after Desmond was brought in. That's where we found out that Daniel was his son.

 

[captain sack]

I really question the importance of John Locke now--he's really just dead after all and not the big leader with a special purpose.

i was really disappointed to find out locke was still dead. after all he went thru, he was just used, and will we find out next season that jacob only saved locke so he could possess his body after ben killed him?

and i was also sad to see that ben linus, possibly the show's best character, was exposed and a liar and a pawn. and now with the introduction of jacob and his foe, the linus/widmore clash seems petty.

so ben admitted that he never saw jacob. then who did locke and hurley see in the cabin? the guy in black?

and why was he invisible, or in spirit form?

and why do these re-incarnated, apparently ageless "people" need to eat?

 

[Darth Caedus]

I think im right....



Because no one wants to be back to the island more then him, and being that Jacob banished him, of course he'd want to kill him.

Jacob didn't banish Widmore, Ben did. Ben did that to gain more power, Jacob had nothing to do with it.

 

[Entropy]

Esau is a much bigger fish than Widmore.

No one is possessing Locke's body. Locke's body was in the crate. Esau has hijacked his spirit perhaps and certainly assumed his form, an ability we know smokey has.

Interesting that the tapestry has 2 quotes from The Odyssey. Nice they're bringing that ref back after the Desmond/Penny stuff. And since Jacob's tap is intact, the one in the cabin must be Esau's or it's another Jacob made. The "weaving" metaphor is not an accident. In addtion to being a long held image of life and time, Jacob has "woven" a plan over a very long time involving the Losties, who will ultimately defeat Esau. He purposefully slighted Ben, knowing he would kill him as that was a necessary part of the plan as well.

It is of interest that Jacob physically touches all of the 815ers, but I very much hope any... shudder... horcrux crap is left out, esp since the giving objects theory doesn't hold up. I really don't need them to crib from another story and end the series in a trite derivative way the Potter series went out. I only forgive JK cause it's a kid's series. Hopefully, Lost moves beyond or muddies and complicates the simplistic good v evil, black v white story a bit. Certainly the Jacob Esau story is interesting as Jacob "the good guy" is a complete jerk and villain to his bro, with lies, deceit and manipulation.

And anyone notice or find it funny/telling that Jacob caught a red herring?
wonder what it refers to?

 

[Darth Caedus]

I just think that the reason Jacob had to interact with each of them would be to inject himself in their life somehow. He must be able to use that for some unknown reason.

 

[Entropy]

I think the reason is obvious - his presence in their lives is a thumb on the scale, they fulfill their destiny and are all part of Jacob's master plan to destroy or defeat Esau/evil Locke and prove Jacob correct in his wager/contest. I agree that the CHOICE each person has, as Jacob tells Hurley and Ben, is of paramount importance. Also, very interesting that he tells Hugo he is blessed. Blessed by whom? Jacob himself via his touch? destiny? the island?

In the podcast, Damon said that by the end of the 1st ep next season we will have all the pieces necessary to figure out what's been going on and what the endgame is. Can't wait to find out who broke the circle and freed Esau.

 

[captain sack]

No one is possessing Locke's body. Locke's body was in the crate. Esau has hijacked his spirit perhaps and certainly assumed his form, an ability we know smokey has.

where was christian shepherd's body when jack found his casket?

they've been implying for 5 years that his body was resurrected or possessed.

 

[Entropy]

Prolly the same place Yemi's missing body is. You think they've implied his body was resurrected or possessed as well? We all know smokey disguised itself as Yemi.

Not sure how they'll address Christian. Maybe the same "blessing" Jacob spoke of with Hurley seeing Charlie and Libby.

Or if smokey/Esau is Christian, my suspicion, it would explain why it was helping Locke as Esau needed Locke to die to assume his identity to manipulate Ben and reach Jacob. I figure Esau was defeated or tricked post Black Rock, somehow trapped as a "ghost" in the cabin by Jacob and his followers. Was the smoke monster co-opted by Esau to do his bidding outside the cabin or is it somehow a manifestation of Esau himself? The smoke monster is associated with the Anubis (death) drawing/statue which fits for Esau as Jacob is associated with the Tawaret statue (birth). It also fits why Christian and ghost Esau were both seen in the cabin, why Ben was spared and everyone else who encountered smokey was not, and why it tried to drag Locke away and NOT kill him. It/Esau needed both Locke and Ben for it's plan against Jacob. But why would Esau need Claire?? Did Claire, unaware of what she was doing, break the entrapment ring and free Esau from his cabin prison? That's my guess.

 

[Darthrazz]

Anyone else wonder if Jacob is truly the Evil one and not the other guy(Esau)? I think at the beginning doesn't Esau say something to the effect of why did you bring that ship here, to make them suffer????

 

[Agent0028]

That would fit with what Tom pointed out about Jacob being the sceming conniving brother and Esau being the more innocent one who was duped.

 

[JGouse0498]

Anyone else wonder if Jacob is truly the Evil one and not the other guy(Esau)? I think at the beginning doesn't Esau say something to the effect of why did you bring that ship here, to make them suffer????

That wouldn't surprise me in the least.

 

[Entropy]

Anyone else wonder if Jacob is truly the Evil one and not the other guy(Esau)? I think at the beginning doesn't Esau say something to the effect of why did you bring that ship here, to make them suffer????

Nope. He doesn't say that.


While a change up could be interesting, I very much doubt they're going in that direction and it would surprise me since all the descriptions and actions point towards a traditional black = evil, white = good dynamic.

Jacob: Former soldier. A leader of men. Smart but more than that – he is wise. Strong and straightforward. The words he says are always listened to and they carry gravitas. His statue is the goddess of birth. He emphasizes choice, seems to genuinely care about the 815ers and shows them compassion. The Others video states "Jacob loves you", not something "bad guys" are typically known for. He also speaks to Hurley about blessings and seems to be a very Jesus-y pacifist and calmly accepts his death.

Esau: A corporate raider looking to take over his next company. Powerful, devious and obtuse. He has a cunning intellect and a strong sense of danger. He plots for years for a loophole to kill Jacob - not really a good guy trait. He has Locke killed and cultivates Ben's negative emotions of fear, jealousy and hatred to kill Jacob. He also tells Richard they must kill the rest of flight 316. And if the black smoke is acting on his behalf, it kills many people, not something I'd associate with a "good guy". His actions closely resemble those of the "Un-Man", the demonic spirit controlling Professor Edward Weston in C.S. Lewis' planetary romance Perelandra. In the novel, the Un-Man entered an island planet by taking possession of a dead man, and did not take direct action, but rather worked through trying to persuade another to commit an evil act. This persuasion involved questioning the motivations of a being who had until then been considered an undisputed spiritual authority.

In the Bible, God loved Jacob and hated Esau. Also, Damon has stated he's a fan of Stephen King and how The Stand has a big influence on Lost. Most of King's stuff, especially the Stand, has traditional boring white hat good guys vs black hat bad guys. And really, with 1 season left to wrap stuff up, you think they want to confuse the audience even more? No, now is the time for resolution and explanations and a familiar story for audiences to understand and hang their hat on once all is said and done.