LOST discussion - thar be spoilers ahead!

[Entropy]

I think Aaron IS one of the oceanic six. Every episode, they have revealed a member of the six, and last episode was no exception.

last season of course Jack and Kate were revealed to be 2 of the 6.
This season
ep 1: Hurley
ep 2: none
ep 3: Sayid
ep 4: none, IMO

They made a big deal about revealing the third of the six in commercials. I'm sure they will do the same before the next reveal.

 

[Natrix]

I think Aaron IS one of the oceanic six. Every episode, they have revealed a member of the six, and last episode was no exception.

The commercials for this episode on the radio said the next member of the six would be revealed and I didn't see anyone else new but Aaron so he must be considered one of them.

 

[Agent0028]

I remember them saying something about another one being revealed, but I couldn't remember the wording. If they said something about someone else who got off the island they could mean it differently than another member of the six. But like I said I personally think he is a member of the six.

 

[barryo]

i believe in future episodes we will see members of the original flight crash shown off of the island but not recognized or want to be recognized. ********* this is the best show on television !!!

 

[barryo]

last season of course Jack and Kate were revealed to be 2 of the 6.
This season
ep 1: Hurley
ep 2: none
ep 3: Sayid
ep 4: none, IMO

They made a big deal about revealing the third of the six in commercials. I'm sure they will do the same before the next reveal.

i will friendly disagree with your ep4 assessment of "none". reason being i think ep4 was built up about kate and the shocker ending (ha.....term used loosely, the whole series is a cliffhanger) was the revelation that aron made it off the island. and IMHO it would be rather hard for kate or anyone to hide an infant & obviously a story that would be known around the world (according to the show). i mean the lawyer wanted to put him on the stand, her mom wanted to see her grandson so he was public knowledge to a point.............which to me makes me question if kate actually already had a son. 1 - you dont put a 3 year old on the stand to testify in any capacity..... & 2 - kates mom would have seen or known she was pregnant right ? & the timeline wouldnt have jibed would have it ? thats another issue......exactly how much time have they been off the island?

 

[Darklord Dave]

Perhaps Jack doesn't want to see Aaron because he's responsible for Claire's death and he knows she's his sister? That's why Kate's so anxious for him to see Aaron - so he can get over his guilt.

And the 3.2 million being code seems like a natural - good answer!

 

[barryo]

Perhaps Jack doesn't want to see Aaron because he's responsible for Claire's death and he knows she's his sister? That's why Kate's so anxious for him to see Aaron - so he can get over his guilt.

And the 3.2 million being code seems like a natural - good answer!

maybe we need to start a thread with questions we absolutely want answers to versus questions/answers we could live without. but the way this show is laid out every little question could lead to something thats bigger looming under the surface.......damn i hate this show !!!!
my #1 would be what is the smoke monster (locke wants to know this real bad as well)
#2 thru infinity - too long to list.

i have never watched a tv program that has kept me on the edge of my seat like this one has. its pixellated crack i tell ya.

did everyone catch patchy in next week's preview?

 

[DarthNeil]

Perhaps Jack doesn't want to see Aaron because he's responsible for Claire's death and he knows she's his sister? That's why Kate's so anxious for him to see Aaron - so he can get over his guilt.

And the 3.2 million being code seems like a natural - good answer!

Claire IS dead.
Locke IS dead.
Everyone that stayed on the island IS dead. They simply aren't dead YET. They were meant to die shortly after the crash (due to their horrendous injuries) but time functions differently on the island and their death has been RADICALLY slowed to the point where they can live on.
Claire gives up Aaron because she can't leave the island but she wants Aaron to have a normal existance so she begs Kate to take him and raise her as her own.
That's why babies cannot be created and born on the island---
Dharma were studying the island to try and decipher the island's effects and that's why Ben wnats to keep the island hidden because if the world knew of its existance then everyone (with a terminal illness or just a desire to live forever--now how many could that be?) would flood the island.
The six who leave are ones who were not destined to die in the crash and therefor their deaths are far in the future-- if someone who was supposed to have died shortly after the crash left the protective sphere of the island then time would return to normal and they'd die-- like Walt and Michael (who Ben might have sent off on the boat knowing that they would immediately die).

How does that explain Richard off the island?
Does the island then exist as a between worlds for those who have died and just not gone on (Walt... mysterious Jacob)?
Creation of items with your mind.

Just a theory--- but that's what's great about this show--- the conversation and wondering what the *&$%* is going on.

 

[Darth Caedus]

3.22 Through the Looking Glass - Jack (1) and Kate(2)
4.01 The Beginning of the End - Hurley(3)
4.02 Confirmed Dead - NONE (flashbacks of the 4 new members on the island)
4.03 The Economist - Sayid(4)
4.04 Eggtown - Aaron(5)
4.05 The Constant (which deals with Desmond and the scientist, so this episode doesn't have to reveal one of the 6, since is Desmond got off, he wasn't on the plane)
4.06 The Other Woman (deals with juliet, also not on the plane)
4.07 Ji Yeon (Sun/Jin, don't know about this one, I don't think they would leave without one another)
4.08 Meet Kevin Johnson (Michael(6), DING DING DING DING DING DING, here's you last #6; I don't know about Walk though, I don't think he's leaving the island)

Matter fact, I don't think Michael/Walk ever made it off. I think that they sailed about on their boat and ran into the Freighter people. Michael is Ben's spy on the boat and Locke can see vision Walt, because Walt is close to the island.

SO, every episode dealing with the losties has revealed a member of the oceanic six.

While I think that is an interesting theory DarthNeil, I don't think it's even that complicated. Dharma/Hanso/Ben/etc are somehow involved in the island. They want it to stay safe and for nobody to hear or know about it. As to why jack only mentioned 8 survivors and 6 making it off the island, he had to make some sort of deal with "Dharma/Hanso/Ben/etc" (while I don't think it's Ben, he wants to kill anybody associated with the island to keep it "safe?"). Part of this deal was to not mention anything associated with the island and to tell the outside world nothing about the real island.

Richard is one of the natives that live on the island (some people surmise that they natives are immortal. remember when ben said: "richard, you remember what birthdays are right?" Ben killed all the existing Dharma people to take lead of the natives to control the island. The natives believe, maybe stupidly, that Ben is in communication with Jacob, so the natives follow Ben. Because they follow Ben, they can leave and get back to the island whenever they want. Remember that Ben told Michael/Walt to follow a specific path off the island to get away, the same way the freighter people did to get there; so Ben knows how to get to and from the island).

As to the point where they're all dead/etc, the creators have put a stop to theories involving time travel/parallel universe/purgatory. The people are alive, in the real world, and everything has a logical and scientific explanation (at least that's what they said at SDCC). But HOW that all comes together, if I know. My fingers hurt, I'm going to stop typing now.

 

[Natrix]

Claire IS dead.
Locke IS dead.
Everyone that stayed on the island IS dead. They simply aren't dead YET. They were meant to die shortly after the crash (due to their horrendous injuries) but time functions differently on the island and their death has been RADICALLY slowed to the point where they can live on.
Claire gives up Aaron because she can't leave the island but she wants Aaron to have a normal existance so she begs Kate to take him and raise her as her own.
That's why babies cannot be created and born on the island---
Dharma were studying the island to try and decipher the island's effects and that's why Ben wnats to keep the island hidden because if the world knew of its existance then everyone (with a terminal illness or just a desire to live forever--now how many could that be?) would flood the island.
The six who leave are ones who were not destined to die in the crash and therefor their deaths are far in the future-- if someone who was supposed to have died shortly after the crash left the protective sphere of the island then time would return to normal and they'd die-- like Walt and Michael (who Ben might have sent off on the boat knowing that they would immediately die).

How does that explain Richard off the island?
Does the island then exist as a between worlds for those who have died and just not gone on (Walt... mysterious Jacob)?
Creation of items with your mind.

Just a theory--- but that's what's great about this show--- the conversation and wondering what the *&$%* is going on.

Uh.....no sir I don't like it....

 

[DarthNeil]

Uh.....no sir I don't like it....

Succinct and to the point. I hate you. (but where's the Ren and Stimpy horse?)

I'll hold to my theory until something else pans out...

Darth Caedus, Richard is a native as he was one of the people on the boat "The Black Rock" (was that the name?) and Ben asked if he remembered birthdays because for him not even a year has actually passed biologically. In terms of the creators saying that none of the people are dead (purgatory theories ect.) that would still hold true with my theory as they aren't dead--YET. But if they left the island time would revert to normal and what should have killed them in ten minutes-- ten hours-- etc.--would kill them almost instataneously.

Just a thought. Love the discussion. Keeps me LOST.

 

[Entropy]

Here's the full interview where the producers mentioned what's canon and what's not: https://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20179125_5,00.html

Very interesting read.

We'll know who the 6 are by the end of episode 7. In the last podcast the producers say that the remaining 2 will be "tricky." They said we will be getting a flash-forward "very soon" as to who the remaining 2 of the Oceanic 6 are. I'm still voting Jin and Sun and that Aaron is not one of the 6 - believed by the world to be Kate's baby born on the island, therefore not one of the 6.

We'll learn who's in the coffin. More stations, more time distortion, and Charlotte Lewis may visit the Looking Glass station at the end of the season. They roughly map out this season and Episode 5 sounds like a really good one with some answers... maybe.
small answers I'm sure, as big ones seem to come rarely.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Here's the full interview where the producers mentioned what's canon and what's not: https://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20179125_5,00.html

Very interesting read.

We'll know who the 6 are by the end of episode 7. In the last podcast the producers say that the remaining 2 will be "tricky." They said we will be getting a flash-forward "very soon" as to who the remaining 2 of the Oceanic 6 are. I'm still voting Jin and Sun and that Aaron is not one of the 6 - believed by the world to be Kate's baby born on the island, therefore not one of the 6.

We'll learn who's in the coffin. More stations, more time distortion, and Charlotte Lewis may visit the Looking Glass station at the end of the season. They roughly map out this season and Episode 5 sounds like a really good one with some answers... maybe.
small answers I'm sure, as big ones seem to come rarely.

I can see Aaron not counting to the rest of the world and them thinking of him as Kate's kid. Obviously when we find out who the 6 are, one of them would be in the casket, OR it will be a member of the non-plane passengers in it. Why would Charlotte visit the looking glass? It's underwater and isn't she an antropologist?

Read mentions Minkowski...and this is what that is

[Minkowski's space \ special relativity, physics] Description space according to a model of H. Minkowski. Minkowski used four dimensions according to three-dimensional space with rectangular coordinates: x, y, z (Euclidean space coordinates) and a t (time coordinate). Minkowski called a point of space at a point of time with a system coordinates x, y, z, t a world point. In Minkowski's space, these dimensions could be expressed as x1, x2, x3 and x4 as in these relations:

x1 = x
x2 = y
x3 = z
x4 = √-1.ct (Lorentz transformation)

Albert Einstein used Minkowski's space to explain special relativity to relate Euclidean space with the time coordinate to explain for example motion within a contained or special coordinate system with a "reference body". For general relativity in gravitational fields Einstein used another system, the Gaussian coordinates.

 

[Darklord Dave]

The physicist that is with them - he's obviously having trouble with his memory. But perhaps he's there because he moves in a different time frame than other people and thus is ideally suited to investigate the island.

 

[Entropy]

Why would Charlotte visit the looking glass? It's underwater and isn't she an antropologist?

Charlotte Lewis... CS Lewis... Alice's Adventures Through The Looking Glass. Obviously Charlotte has some sort of knowledge or ties to Dharma, it's only a matter of time before she gets involved in the station business. The rabbitty L.G. station seems appropriate.

Also, Damon and Carlton promise to revisit the Adam and Eve skeletons... though probably not this season.

 

[Agent0028]

You have your Lewis's mixed up. C.S. Lewis wrote The Chronicles of Narnia. Lewis Carroll is the author of Alice's various adventures.

 

[DarthNeil]

You have your Lewis's mixed up. C.S. Lewis wrote The Chronicles of Narnia. Lewis Carroll is the author of Alice's various adventures.

And Lewis Carroll is a pseudonym for Charles Lutwidge Dodgson...

(just adding to the conversation )

 

[Shropt]

Uh.....no sir I don't like it....

 

[Entropy]

You have your Lewis's mixed up. C.S. Lewis wrote The Chronicles of Narnia. Lewis Carroll is the author of Alice's various adventures.

Paxton...Pullman. Tee Hee. Thanks for the correction. That's what you get after you've had a few.

"Charlotte Lewis was an obvious reference to C.S. Lewis and an important clue to places we're going at the end of the season." so I guess they're going to Narnia

 

[Agent0028]

Time flows alot faster in Narnia than in reality. Maybe that's the reference.

And I get C.S. Lewis and Lewis Carroll mixed up sometimes too, I probably wouldn't have caught it except The Chronicles of Narnia are directly in front of me at eye level on my bookshelf.