LOST discussion - thar be spoilers ahead!

[Darth Caedus]

Great episode so far! I just wish Lost would stop giving us more questions and answering the previous ones.

On the contrary, I think they are answers old questions and asking new questions at the same time; something that is both amazing and annoying

 

[Darklord Dave]

Ah Desmond... odysseus lost trying to get back to his love. good stuff.

Michael being Ben's spy is looking likely.

The editing on this episode is great.

and there goes Fisher...

Perhaps you didn't complete the thought - but you know who Odysseus' wife was right? Penelope.

And have to say - that I'm loving the show more than I ever have. 3 solid episodes in a row. The ennui of last season is completely gone for me.

 

[Batty]

Perhaps you didn't complete the thought - but you know who Odysseus' wife was right? Penelope.

And have to say - that I'm loving the show more than I ever have. 3 solid episodes in a row. The ennui of last season is completely gone for me.

Yeah, I think they definitely learned from the mistakes they made last season.

 

[tomandshell]

You sure? Wikipedia is listing the episodes as 8 airing March 20 and 9 airing April 24..

I think this is the most recent (and final) schedule. The producers thought it would play better holding off on episode eight, but the network didn't agree and they want all completed episodes to air before the break.

ABC has opted to end the current, pre-strike arc with Episode 8, not 7 as was the original plan. So, just to recap, this is what Lost's revised sked looks like.
Episode 5: Feb. 28
Episode 6: March 6
Episode 7: March 13
Episode 8: March 20
Episode 9: April 24
Episode 10: May 1
Episode 11: May 8
Episode 12: May 15
Episode 13: May 22 (season finale)

I really loved tonight's episode, by the way!

 

[Entropy]

Perhaps you didn't complete the thought - but you know who Odysseus' wife was right? Penelope.

Yup yup. And I'm sure Desmond's love is not named that by accident. These writers are crafty and well read. Surely Desmond's story will end the same way as Oddy's, true love conquers all.

And I'm glad to hear about the decision to go ahead and air episode 8. New Lost sooner rather than later! And if it is a crazy ending it'll just give us all more time to dissect and talk about it.

 

[McHavyck]

Did anyone see Rescue Dawn? The guy that plays Faraday was in it and was amazing. He really held his own w/ Christian Bale.

And REALLY good episode!

 

[Karma]

wasn't it supposed to 16 eps per season...does this mean next season will be 19 eps?

 

[Shropt]

Am I the only one know noticed Ben at the Black Rock auction? They had some strange continuity errors with that scene because when they were showing the faces of the crowd you could see Ben in the back, but when they shot from behind or close-ups he wasn't there.

And, I hate to admit it, but this was the first episode of Lost that made me actually cry. That scene with Desmond and Penny on the phone was crazy! The whole episode led up to that reunion and they started crying and saying I love you and stuff. Man... I was drunk though...

 

[lcummins]

Am I the only one know noticed Ben at the Black Rock auction? They had some strange continuity errors with that scene because when they were showing the faces of the crowd you could see Ben in the back, but when they shot from behind or close-ups he wasn't there.

And, I hate to admit it, but this was the first episode of Lost that made me actually cry. That scene with Desmond and Penny on the phone was crazy! The whole episode led up to that reunion and they started crying and saying I love you and stuff. Man... I was drunk though...

I was scanning the faces looking for just such an occurrence, but I didn't notice Ben... I guess I missed him.

The Desmond and Penny phone call scene was very moving...

 

[Darthrazz]

The Desmond episodes are the best, hands down.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Am I the only one know noticed Ben at the Black Rock auction? They had some strange continuity errors with that scene because when they were showing the faces of the crowd you could see Ben in the back, but when they shot from behind or close-ups he wasn't there.

And, I hate to admit it, but this was the first episode of Lost that made me actually cry. That scene with Desmond and Penny on the phone was crazy! The whole episode led up to that reunion and they started crying and saying I love you and stuff. Man... I was drunk though...

GAY...hahaha, I'm just kidding man; I love Desmondo episodes. I did notice the first time they named Penelope, that I was like, UH, Odyessus. I hope he ends up with her in the end, which I'm sure he will. I honestly didn't see Desmond at the Auction, I'll have to rewatch it to see; but I did notice that the Black Rock book was owned by Hanso before it was auctioned. The book was found near madagascar, so I'm thinking that Hanso has something to do with the island and the Widmore Corp. is trying to find it (or already found it). They're behind the freighter and they want Ben.

 

[GrueSam]

I just watched the auction scene again and, although it's hard to tell, there is someone who looks like Ben in the last row. But this is on a VHS, so someone needs to get a better look from a hi-res source.

Please!


So, they've been gone for 93 days, but Penny said she's been looking for Des for 3 years.

Is that how long they've really been gone?

That's backwards from the time shift that just happened. I mean, Jack worrying about how long they've been gone but it was really 20 minutes, or so.

I'm so confused!

LOL


And... I was not drunk, but I cried like a little girl.

Okay, like a big girl but I couldn't help it! I love that ending...

...and Desmond!

 

[Darth Caedus]

I just watched the auction scene again and, although it's hard to tell, there is someone who looks like Ben in the last row. But this is on a VHS, so someone needs to get a better look from a hi-res source.

Please!


So, they've been gone for 93 days, but Penny said she's been looking for Des for 3 years.

Is that how long they've really been gone?
Or does that include time before he left on the boat race?


And... I was not drunk, but I cried like a little girl.

Okay, like a big girl but I couldn't help it! I love that ending...

...and Desmond!

Remember, Desmond was on the island like 3 years before Oceanic 815 even crashed. He's the one who didn't push the button that "caused" the plane to crash. I think I read somewhere that each episode is 2 days in real-time. SO like 50 or some episodes, that's about 100 days. As for the time dilation, I have no idea how that's going to work out between the island and the real world

 

[GrueSam]

OMG- OF COURSE! D'UH!

How could I forget that?!

 

[Entropy]

I honestly didn't see Desmond at the Auction, I'll have to rewatch it to see...I'm thinking that Hanso has something to do with the island

You didn't see Desmond? He came in the back of the auction hall to talk to Widmore.

I guess you meant Ben.

And Magnus Hanso was the great grandfather of Alvar Hanso and captain of the Black Rock and is buried on the island. Last night's episode mentioned for the first time mentioned Tovard Hanso who was the owner of the ledger, the journal of the first mate of the Black Rock.

I'm glad they're finally getting back to the main Hanso/Widmore storyline.

 

[Darth Caedus]

You didn't see Desmond? He came in the back of the auction hall to talk to Widmore.

I guess you meant Ben.

And Magnus Hanso was the great grandfather of Alvar Hanso and captain of the Black Rock and is buried on the island. Last night's episode mentioned for the first time mentioned Tovard Hanso who was the owner of the ledger, the journal of the first mate of the Black Rock.

I'm glad they're finally getting back to the main Hanso/Widmore storyline.

Yea, sorry, I meant Ben. So the captain of the black rock eh? So he must have found the island 200 years ago, found out something about it, and now his great-grandson is in cohoots with Wilmore. I would like to see this relationship more fleshed out. I forget half the stuff they show in episodes, gotta rewatch some.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Parts of this theory are good, some are not

Okay, here's what I think..... - we know the BLACK ROCK was lost at sea. At the auction, they were selling off the one known piece to have come from the boat, that has only been in the possession of the Hanso family, a journal that later turned up in.... somewhere. Obviously, this journal has the approximate co-ordinates of the Island. We know Penny's dad bought the journal. Desmond gets into the round the world race (how does Mr. Whiddmore tie into getting him to do this again?), because Whiddmore is obviously hoping that Desmond would "find" the island, knowing that Penny still loved him, and would do anything to find him, especially after the comment about him phoning her in 8 years. Tonight started to make some pieces fall into place. Here's my new, grand unifying scheme... - the journal from the Black Rock clued the Hanso family into the fact that something happens on the island that cures all ills, so they established the Dharma group, ostensibly to do paranormal-type research, but actually to use the island as a base for finding eternal life. Somewhere along the way, they got clued in to Farraday's research in consciousness time travelling, and were trying to perfect it into full-body time travel (as evidenced by the short on the website with the teleporting rabbit). By isolating what the magic cure-all was, and perfecting time travel, you could create a perfect, eternal world. - The Others are the survivors of the Black Rock, who realized what was going on with the Island, and don't want the secret to get out into the real world. The curative properties of the island basically retards their aging process. - Farraday figured out a way of limited time travelling, but it's obvious that it burns brain cells. Without an "anchor", you lose touch with reality, and slowly go insane (hence his being unable to remember why the Oceanic flight was so important... no anchor). Desmond is the key to this, because the information he provides to Farraday FROM Farraday allows him to perfect (or at least, make workable) the process. The experience has something to do with exposure to massive amounts of electromagnetism. Desmond would appear to be "the ultimate anchor" (since everyone who is affected by the psychoses knows him in some way, see also Farraday's note, "If anything goes wrong, Desmond Hume will be MY anchor") - Hanso's attempts to perfect the time travel process means there's a MASSIVE electromagnetic generator built on the island. The constant entering of the code kept the EM dampened, which allowed them to continue researching how the exposure to EM tied into the time travel. HOWEVER, since Desmond turned the key, the Island has now become unhinged from time (a large-scale effect of Farraday's work). However, it has also created an electromagnet "anomaly", which prevents the island from being found except by following precise co-ordinates (significance unknown). This anomaly also affects the flow of time on the Island. - Jacob and his cabin have also somehow become unhinged from the timestream. I'm not entirely sure how he fits into this. I'm going to go out on a BIG limb here, and say that Jacob is Jacob from the Bible... and "Jacob's Ladder" was the earliest form of time travel discovered. - The Boat is Whiddmore's attempts to find the island and harness it for his own nefarious purposes, under the auspices of helping Penny search for Desmond. He has figured out Farraday's significance, but Farraday is so burned from exposure and time jumping, that without the Island's healing properties, he's a brain burn. - Benjamin knows that he needs to discover the Island's secret, because it is the only thing that will prevent time travellers from "burning out". After "seeing" Jacob, and figuring out what was ging on with time travel, he decided to keep the secret for himself, and has duped the protective Others into thinking he's doing the right thing. That's why he's so challenged by Locke... if Locke finds out the turth, Benjamin is doomed. - The exposure to the EM pulse that crashed the plane has "awakened" Hurley and Locke, and they have become "tied" to the Island.. Locke through his healing, Hurley through his freedom from bad luck. - Walt has also become unhinged from time, but somehow, he can manipulate the effects better, since he already had "special powers" (see, the bird in the window, polar bears, etc). - So, in the future... Whiddmore is trying to find the Island. Hanso is trying to regain control of the Island. Benjamin is using Sayid to get rid of opposition to him, because he has told Sayid (who knows about the anchor) that his friends have all become anchored to the Island, and if he doesn't help Ben find out the secret to the Island's curative powers.... they will all die. INCLUDING SAYID. Jack's increasing erratic behaviour (talking about his father like he's alive when he's bearded) is because he has no anchor anymore, and he wants to go back to the Island, because he knows it will only get worse. Hurley's visions of Charlie are because he has lost his anchor (Charlie? The Island?), and he knows it's all downhill for him too. Kate doesn't want to go back to the Island, because she has Aaron, who she pobably believes (because of Ben?) if the key to overcoming the time travel brain burn, and she's praying that she's not tied to the island. - The coffin was DESMOND. With his death, as a critical anchor to Farraday, all hell begins to break lose. Ideas? EDIT: OOOH! OOOOH! OOOOH! I GOT IT! The Island is THE GARDEN OF EDEN! The two corpses from season one were ADAM AND EVE! That's why Jacob from the Bible is there... "Jacob's Ladder" was really the first example of time travel. Somehow, Jacob managed to unhinge the Garden of Eden from the time stream the first time he "climbed" Jacob's Ladder. The Island represents the point where the word of God made Man, and the healing powers of the island are the residual effect. When Jacob was climbing the Ladder to Heaven, he ended up in the unhinged Heaven on Earth.... Eden.

 

[Agent0028]

I forget half the stuff they show in episodes, gotta rewatch some.

Me too, and I miss about 90% of the subtlties in the show too. I don't even know what y'all are talking about with the Hanso Widmore stuff. Alls I know is the Hanso Foundation from the commercials last season (or the one before, can't recall) and of course Widmore being Penny's pop.

 

[tomandshell]

Parts of this theory are good, some are not

I gave up about halfway through.



They need to be careful and not have future Daniel give too much information to his younger self or we will have a massive paradox on our hands. Daniel learned the secrets of time travel when he was younger from his older self, who learned it when he was younger from his older self, who learned it when he was younger from his older self, who learned it...

 

[lcummins]

I gave up about halfway through.



They need to be careful and not have future Daniel give too much information to his younger self or we will have a massive paradox on our hands. Daniel learned the secrets of time travel when he was younger from his older self, who learned it when he was younger from his older self, who learned it when he was younger from his older self, who learned it...

Did he really learn the secret from his older self, or just the correct settings to make it work???