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So is this fight on or off? I am not boxing fan, but if Pacquiao is fighting, I must watch it...

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Crap, looks like theres trouble arising......

Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy

Golden Boy Promotions has issued a statement announcing that the mega-fight between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao is in jeopardy because Manny Pacquiao is refusing to comply with Olympic style drug testing as requested by Mayweather's management. Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions (representing Mayweather Promotions), was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout. Schaefer commented, "Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn't want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight."

Olympic style drug testing involves random sampling of the athlete's blood and urine prior to and after the fight. The USADA procedure includes both blood and urine sampling so that all banned substances, some of which do not show up in urine alone, are tested for thoroughly.

"It is unfortunate to hear this from Manny Pacquiao's representatives, particularly since, as of today, both parties had worked out all other issues related to this fight," said Schaefer. "Team Mayweather is certainly surprised that an elite athlete like Manny Pacquiao would refuse drug testing procedures which Floyd has already agreed to and have been agreed to by many other top athletes such as Lance Armstrong, and Olympians Michael Phelps, LeBron James and Kobe Bryant."

Mayweather, who was informed of Pacquiao's reluctance shortly after Schaefer received word of the impasse, feels Pacquiao has to explain himself immediately or be faced with accusations from the media and the public regarding his own status as a clean and drug free athlete.

"I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken, because frankly I don't know anyone who really does," said Mayweather. "But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level. I have already agreed to the testing and it is a shame that he is not willing to do the same. It leaves me with great doubt as to the level of fairness I would be facing in the ring that night. I hope that this is either some miscommunication or that Manny will change his mind and step up and allow these tests, which were good enough for all these other great athletes, to be performed by USADA."

Leonard Ellerbe, CEO of Mayweather Promotions said,"We hope that Manny will do the right thing and agree to the testing as it is an egregious act to deny the testing and hence, deny the millions of fans the right to see this amazing fight. We just want to make sure there is a level playing field in a sport that is a man-to-man contest that relies on strength and ability. I still hope this decision is coming from someone in Pacquiao's camp and not Manny himself as it would be a shame that an athlete of his stature and who represents his whole country would not be able to show the public or his fellow athletes that he agrees to the highest standards in sports competition."




May want pac to be tested with Olympic style blood testing 2 days before the fight because his crack head father thinks he is on steroids. Pac and Roach don’t want to because they think it could effect manny. Another masterful move by the master of BS mayweather.

Seriously, what a B-move. These guys are walking away from a boxing supershow worth 50 million dollars each over some BS some old crackhead thinks and 10 ml of blood. If manny doesn’t want to do it before the fight cause he is scared he will be affected, just have both men tested directly after the fight. And I don’t want to hear that Pac is afraid of needles, the guy has tattoos. And to be blunt, the guy does play full court basketball and films Kung Fu superhero movies weeks before a fight with Cotto, but he is afraid of loosing 10 ml of blood?? It will definitely invite controversy. It’s a sad state of affairs in American sports where any sign of greatness is blasted by accounts of steroids. Thanks Baseball:rolleyes:.
 
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Crap, looks like theres trouble arising......

Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy

May want pac to be tested with Olympic style blood testing 2 days before the fight because his crack head father thinks he is on steroids. Pac and Roach don’t want to because they think it could effect manny. Another masterful move by the master of BS mayweather.

Seriously, what a B-move. These guys are walking away from a boxing supershow worth 50 million dollars each over some BS some old crackhead thinks and 10 ml of blood. If manny doesn’t want to do it before the fight cause he is scared he will be affected, just have both men tested directly after the fight. And I don’t want to hear that Pac is afraid of needles, the guy has tattoos. And to be blunt, the guy does play full court basketball and films Kung Fu superhero movies weeks before a fight with Cotto, but he is afraid of loosing 10 ml of blood?? It will definitely invite controversy. It’s a sad state of affairs in American sports where any sign of greatness is blasted by accounts of steroids. Thanks Baseball:rolleyes:.

I completely forgot about this thread until I heard the bad news.:lol

Well said HdoubleD.

I think this is just gamesmanship. There's too much money involved for this fight not to take place.
 
Seems like the rumors for Pac to take a olympic screen test is just to hype up the fans. I hope so because it's hyping me up.
 
Could you expand upon exactly what you mean by this? Is suing people for libel something unique to the Philippines?

Oh, it's all the rage back there! Actors, Politicians, Fundamentalists and what have you! You say something and then pow! You get betchslapped with a lawsuit for defamation of character! Hilarity always ensues....followed by carnage.:D
 
Mayweather moves, but fight no closer
By Dan Rafael, ESPN.com
*Link: https://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4772853

There was movement by the Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao camps Saturday in the battle over how to handle drug testing for their tentative March 13 super fight, but the sides remain at a stalemate in an increasingly nasty negotiation that threatens a fight many predict would be the highest-grossing bout in history.

With all of the other points agreed to for the blockbuster HBO PPV welterweight title bout at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, the drug testing protocol is the final sticking point.

Mayweather -- whose father, Floyd Mayweather Sr., has accused Pacquiao of using performance-enhancing substances without any proof -- had been demanding the inflexible Olympic-style testing conducted by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. That would mean Mayweather and Pacquiao would be subject to random blood and urine tests all the way up to the fight and immediately following it.


“ I don't care who performs the tests as long as they are performed. That's our position. If this fight doesn't happen it's not because of Team Mayweather. ” -- Golden Boy Promotions CEO
Richard Schaefer

Pacquiao objected, in part, because he and his team want assurances that testing would be cut off at a predetermined time before the fight.

Mayweather changed his stance Saturday, moving off the hard line he had taken on using USADA as the testing agency.

"We are OK to move off USADA," Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer, who is representing Mayweather, told ESPN.com. "What we're saying, and what is important to us, is four things -- that the tests be random, that they include blood and urine and the time frame, meaning when do you stop the tests before the fight but know they will still be effective. Three of them we have agreed on -- random, blood and urine. So now it is a matter of the two sides working out the specifics of the cutoff date to assure it will still be effective."

Schaefer said those talks are taking place between Bruce Binkow, a high-level Golden Boy executive, and Todd duBoef, the president of Top Rank, Pacquiao's promoter.

"Todd and Bruce are trying to work out the specifics of the cutoff to assure the tests are still effective because we know that 30 days before is not effective," Schaefer said. "At 30 days, we might as well not even do it. We want to figure it out [the cutoff window] and I will give my recommendation to Team Mayweather, and they will be on board. USADA is the most recognized one, but if it's another one, like the Nevada commission, we don't really care. I don't care who performs the tests as long as they are performed. That's our position. If this fight doesn't happen it's not because of Team Mayweather."

Pacquiao agreed to unlimited urine testing and at least three blood tests, one in early January around the time of the kickoff news conference, one 30 days before the fight and another in the dressing room after the fight. When Mayweather was insisting on USADA, Top Rank chief Bob Arum said Pacquiao was willing to revisit the number of tests as long as they used some other agency, one with which they could negotiate the protocol and assure Pacquiao that he would at least not be tested in the middle of the night or in the few days leading up to the bout.

On Friday, Arum said their side was willing to sit down with Golden Boy and the Nevada State Athletic Commission to work out the details of the testing. Nevada only requires a prefight and a postfight urine test, although it could also test blood if the sides asked.



Let the commission pick a date to stop taking blood. We trust the commission. Blood testing we think is unnecessary, but fine, we'll do it. But let the commission set the parameters.


-- Top Rank chief and
Manny Pacquiao promotor Bob Arum

But on Saturday, Arum, speaking from his vacation in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, backtracked, saying even the three tests were out the window -- unless Nevada asked for them, which Arum knows is unlikely.

"Our position is that since the fight would be in Nevada, let [the Mayweather side] make any petition it wants to the commission," Arum said. "We wash our hands of it. If the commission wants to take blood, fine. We don't care. But we're not going to pander to this petty [expletive] about how many days before the fight they can test and so forth. Who are they [Golden Boy] to tell Manny what he's supposed to do? How many times did [Golden Boy boss] Oscar De La Hoya ever give blood before a fight? I will not let this kid get pushed around.

"If they go to the commission and they ask for blood tests and the commission says yes, we will do whatever the commission says. The commission says blood testing, we'll do blood testing. We're not going to help it or oppose it. We're not going to give any credence to this nonsense. They want to sign a contract under the rules of the commission, fine. We don't want the fight if it means Manny is going to be pushed around. Let the commission tell us how many days in front they want blood. Let the commission pick a date to stop taking blood. We trust the commission. Blood testing we think is unnecessary, but fine, we'll do it. But let the commission set the parameters. Let Golden Boy approach the commission and say we want to take blood when he's walking into the ring. Whatever the commission wants to do we will support, but we won't take part in this exercise in nonsense, a procedure which is contrary to how boxing has been conducted in Nevada for 40 years. The burden is not on us to tell the commission what to do."

Arum's appeal for the commission to handle matters may be hollow because although it has protocols in place for random urine testing during training camps, it doesn't for blood testing, and to put it in place in time for a March 13 fight is unlikely, according to Keith Kizer, the executive director of the Nevada commission.

"We're very confident that urine tests by themselves cover everything that needs to be covered, but if the camps want to do additional testing through a third party they are welcome to, as long as they also adhere to commission rules," Kizer told ESPN.com. "Urine testing we could run with today. We could test their urine every day from now until March 13. But blood testing is trickier because we don't require it. If the commission wanted to change the rule it would have to be at a public meeting and, at the earliest, that would be early to mid-January. We have done some urine testing during training camps. We have those protocols in place. Blood testing is a different story.

"We'd have to put it on a commission agenda. Golden Boy or Top Rank or both could ask for blood testing and we'd look into it. Whether it would go anywhere, that's up to the commission to decide. As of now, there are no plans for a special commission meeting, nor has one been requested from either side."

The promoters and HBO hoped to have the fight signed and formally announced at a news conference the first week of January. If they can't iron out the particulars on blood testing until a commission meeting, likely around Jan. 13, it would make finalizing the bout unlikely until at least then.

Schaefer believes that Arum's position of leaving it up to the commission is him "moving the goal post."

"The pressure is on Pacquiao," he said. "They keep moving the goal post like they did with the $10 million weight penalty [if either fighter is over the contract maximum 147 pounds], which we agreed to. They didn't think we would accept that. When we did, they had to find something else to make into a problem. So now they're saying it's up to the commission instead of wanting to negotiate the drug testing with us. I don't want to hear that if the fight breaks up it was because of us. When they came to us with a $10 million weight penalty, they didn't expect us to say yes. They thought we'd say no. So when we said yes, they had to come up with something else. Now we're off USADA, and they are going to come and say only urine testing if that's what the commission says. It's really frustrating.

"We are making compromises. It's a two-way street. If they back off again, I will shut off my phone and spend the rest of the Christmas and New Year's time with my family, and good luck to all of these fools."

While Arum is making plans for an alternative fight for Pacquiao against former junior welterweight titlist Paulie Malignaggi -- who has also accused Pacquiao of using PEDs -- if the Mayweather fight falls apart, Schaefer said he hasn't discussed an alternative with Mayweather.

"We haven't discussed anybody else because the fight we want to bring to the fight fans is the one with Pacquiao," he said. "The focus is on getting Mayweather-Pacquiao done while Bob is making calls everywhere on the Malignaggi fight. That shows his focus is not on Mayweather.

"How ridiculous is that that Pacquiao would go and fight the guy who makes accusations that he uses performance-enhancing drugs instead of Mayweather [Jr.], who didn't make those accusations? Something is not right. I don't know how to explain it other than maybe Pacquiao doesn't want the Mayweather fight."
 
My dad said it's off plus Pacman's camp is suing Mayweather Sr. for libel. Only in the Failippines!:rotfl

I know the PI is corrupt and all like anywhere else. The politics are messed up there. It's the government not the people. Well I guess the people too because they choose their leaders:confused: Nevermind...But Failippines!? Now someone here is going to post up a poster now:banghead

Anyways, can someone who is a boxing guru tell me if any pro boxer ever did a olympic style drug screening?
 
Here's a quote from Manny taken from a 12/26/2009 article
*Source: https://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4771718

"I say to Floyd Mayweather Jr., don't be a coward and face me in the ring, mano a mano, and shut your big, pretty mouth so we can show the world who is the true king of the ring," Pacquiao said, adding that he contemplated a lawsuit against Mayweather Sr. before his Nov. 14 victory against Miguel Cotto. "I did not sue because I did not want to get distracted during that time because I was preparing for one of the toughest fights in my career.

"Pretty Boy Floyd, face me instead on March 13 in Las Vegas and not in some talk show forum or in press releases written for you by people who don't even know me. Face me in a fight where I get to punch back. To Floyd, despite all these accusations, may your Christmas be merry, and I will see you in court soon, too." :maul
 
Here's a quote from Manny taken from a 12/26/2009 article
*Source: https://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4771718

"I say to Floyd Mayweather Jr., don't be a coward and face me in the ring, mano a mano, and shut your big, pretty mouth so we can show the world who is the true king of the ring," Pacquiao said, adding that he contemplated a lawsuit against Mayweather Sr. before his Nov. 14 victory against Miguel Cotto. "I did not sue because I did not want to get distracted during that time because I was preparing for one of the toughest fights in my career.

"Pretty Boy Floyd, face me instead on March 13 in Las Vegas and not in some talk show forum or in press releases written for you by people who don't even know me. Face me in a fight where I get to punch back. To Floyd, despite all these accusations, may your Christmas be merry, and I will see you in court soon, too." :maul

This is what Mayweather wants, I wonder what he will say or what he said after hearing what Pac had to say.
 
Are you pinoy jinxx?

I was born there. I can converse in three Philippine languages albeit bakya! I can do a mean Nanay Dionisia impersonation too!:rotfl

I know the PI is corrupt and all like anywhere else. The politics are messed up there. It's the government not the people. Well I guess the people too because they choose their leaders:confused: Nevermind...But Failippines!? Now someone here is going to post up a poster now:banghead

Anyways, can someone who is a boxing guru tell me if any pro boxer ever did a olympic style drug screening?

Well, Valfar beat them to it....Failippines is funny though, don't you think!?:rotfl
 
I didn't ask where you were born, I asked if you were pinoy.

I can't imagine anyone who was actually filipino thinking Failippines as funny or even as being very clever.
 
Not too inside. Fail + Philippines = Failippines You don't have to be part of some club to understand the intent. I guess you are one of the Filipinos who comes to America and is ashamed of where they come from and immediately want to distance themselves.

That's a shame if this is true.
 
Oh, I'm proud that I was born there! But with the current state of the nation, obviously I'm ashamed!:doh
 
Understood. Reasons to be proud still out weigh any reason to be ashamed and the term you used sort of belittles the people and to me that's not cool or funny.

:peace
 
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