McCain Shocker!

[El Roranous]

I never understand people who talk about the sanctity of marriage and then force it on kids when they get pregnant.

You are treading down a dangerous road.... I should know.

 

[FlyAndFight]

Bring on the debates. I want this over and done with. Obama without a teleprompter will wallow in his own verbal quagmire. Biden will simply drool and howl like an old cartoon wolf if Palin shows up with her hair down and minus the glasses.

 

[ProgMatinee]

I never understand people who talk about the sanctity of marriage and then force it on kids when they get pregnant.

There are a few views of marriage expressed in "Pride and Predjudice". All of them are pretty valid views of it.

Anyway, one view is that happiness in marriage is completely up to chance. You can get married for all the right reasons or all the wrong reasons and its 50/50 on either case if its a success.

I do know that when there's a kid involved at least trying marriage out first is a better option than never trying it at all.

 

[Bannister]

I do know that when there's a kid involved at least trying marriage out first is a better option than never trying it at all.

I wouldn't say that with certainty.

 

[ProgMatinee]

I wouldn't say that with certainty.

Does the point lose validity because its not 100% foolproof?

You can't say its better to never get married with certainty either, can you?

So now what?

 

[Bannister]

Does the point lose validity because its not 100% full proof?

You can't say its better to never get married with certainty either, can you?

So now what?

And I never did. That is why I wouldn't say it with certainty, just like I wouldn't say them not getting married is the best idea either. I just have always found it funny that the same people who go on and on about how marriage is a sacred thing and should not be rushed into are many times the same ones who tell people they have to get married if they get pregnant.

 

[automaton]

perhaps we should take a cue form Obama and not concern ourselves with Palin's personal life... this is exactly what the media does, gets everyone off track and before one knows, we are discussing everything but the issues.

 

[Naptownsithlord]

Hey what's the scandal with Palin's baby- I am not informed about this apparently. They say it's not hers?

There is no scandal only some extreme left wing bloggers that have nothing better to do than try to destroy someones credibility.
What they don't realize is this helped her cause in making these false accusations and made people tune in last night to see who she is.
As far as her speech went i believe she won over alot of voters.
Being a parent with a special needs child i listeined to her touch on a subject that no other politicians in this race have spoken of and that's advocacy for those familes with special needs children.
I think she still lacks in foreign policy but seems to be a fast learner and believe she will do fine.
Her strong points seem to be tax reform and energy as well.

 

[Spartan Rex]

Earlier in this thread I learned that if I kill someone who is attacking my family I am a murderer. A soldier who kills another soldier in combat is also a murderer. But a woman who doesn't want the inconveniance of having a child, can have that child aborted up till 24 weeks I think it is. At this time the baby has a heart, lungs, brain pretty much a miniature human being. This woman is considered a prochoice advocate and is smiled upon by the left. Gotcha.

Dontcha you just love the tortured logic and mental gymnastics by some to justify the murder of the unborn?

 

[RoboDad]

And I never did. That is why I wouldn't say it with certainty, just like I wouldn't say them not getting married is the best idea either. I just have always found it funny that the same people who go on and on about how marriage is a sacred thing and should not be rushed into are many times the same ones who tell people they have to get married if they get pregnant.

I agree completely, and I am very much pro-life and pro-marriage. I am somewhat disappointed that the Palins are even exploring the marriage option for the daughter's baby.

My personal belief is that the honorable thing would be to give the child up for adoption by a family did approach marriage with some notion of sacredness (in that they weren't forced into a marriage).

 

[ProgMatinee]

And I never did. That is why I wouldn't say it with certainty, just like I wouldn't say them not getting married is the best idea either. I just have always found it funny that the same people who go on and on about how marriage is a sacred thing and should not be rushed into are many times the same ones who tell people they have to get married if they get pregnant.

I'm willing to bet these hypothetical people of yours are also more likely to be telling their kids about the sanctity of child conception too. Does that make it ironic that they got pregnant? Sure, does that make the situation anything beyond that? No.

Do all kids listen all the time? Hell no. Does that make it less important to stress it? Hell no.

The people who don't stress the sanctity of marriage aren't exactly not getting pregnant either. Inner cities are full of plenty of 2nd and 3rd generation single parents that love plopping out kids to get the welfare check. Go speak to them before criticising someone for making a mistake and doing what they think is right.

 

[RoboDad]

perhaps we should take a cue form Obama and not concern ourselves with Palin's personal life... this is exactly what the media does, gets everyone off track and before one knows, we are discussing everything but the issues.

Well, Obama kind of has to say that, but I don't believe for a New York minute that his minions aren't behind at least some of the media attacks on Palin (just as I believe McCain's campaign goons would do the same if the situation were reversed).

 

[Spartan Rex]

I would say it is reckless to ignore your body and just take the flight instead of going to a hospital. And that's if you have decided upon keeping the baby.

If she had decided to abort the fetus before the proper time in the pregnancy, I wouldn't have called her reckless. It would be a choice, would it be the right one? Nobody can say but God or whatever divine being you believe in... But the point is, that she has that choice.

But if you are a Mother who is going to see the pregnancy through to the delivery, it's really best to heed what your body is telling you. Get to a hospital.

Let us reason together here Josh shall we?
If as you say only God knows for sure, or as Obama said "Its above his pay grade." Why in heavens name wouldnt you advocate or err on the side of life or bringing to full term?
Thats logic in its simplest form.

But I'll tell you why, because people want to sooth their conscious.
"Im not a bad person, Im for free will, Im for choice what could be bad about that? Anything else is being judgmental."

 

[ProgMatinee]

We don't really know how much "force" the Palin parents forced on the marriade to come. It could be that the 2 kids love each other. Who knows.

I know from experience that "doing the right thing" can end up in life long marriages. My parents have been married for 34 years.

 

[galactiboy]

Let us reason together here Josh shall we?
If as you say only God knows for sure, or as Obama said "Its above his pay grade." Why in heavens name wouldnt you advocate or err on the side of life or bringing to full term?
Thats logic in its simplest form.

But I'll tell you why, because people want to sooth their conscious.
"Im not a bad person, Im for free will, Im for choice what could be bad about that? Anything else is being judgmental."

Oh hell... did we finally get to abortion in one of our threads?!?

I can't think of a more volatile topic to get into... I smell a lock coming very quickly.

 

[Bannister]

I'm willing to bet these hypothetical people of yours are also more likely to be telling their kids about the sanctity of child conception too. Does that make it ironic that they got pregnant? Sure, does that make the situation anything beyond that? No.

Do all kids listen all the time? Hell no. Does that make it less important to stress it? Hell no.

The people who don't stress the sanctity of marriage aren't exactly not getting pregnant either. Inner cities are full of plenty of 2nd and 3rd generation single parents that love plopping out kids to get the welfare check. Go speak to them before criticising someone for making a mistake and doing what they think is right.

How about I just criticize those people too?

 

[ProgMatinee]

I think its sad that anyone can bring shame on a family that is going to have a baby and get married because of it.

I guess its no longer the American dream to have a family? I guess its now the American dream to crank out kids and go on welfare and let the baby's daddy leave.

In the democrats plan of healthcare and welfare its actually beneficial for the mother of a child NOT to get married.

 

[ProgMatinee]

How about I just criticize those people too?

Have at it. Just let me know when you do.

 

[pixletwin]

You wanna know what really annoyed me?

This morning on one of those lame morning shows (ABC I think) they spent 15 minutes (FIFTEEN MINUTES) talking avout Palin's hair and fashion choices as if she had just walked down the gosh darn red carpet at the Oscar's.

Seriously considering moving North.

 

[galactiboy]

You wanna know what really annoyed me?

This morning on one of those lame morning shows (ABC I think) they spent 15 minutes (FIFTEEN MINUTES) talking avout Palin's hair and fashion choices as if she had just walked down the gosh darn red carpet at the Oscar's.

Seriously considering moving North.

It maybe time...