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Then you should realize that Snake wasn't a hero at all. He spent his entire life fighting Big Boss the others who would have liberated the world from The Patriot's control. MGS 4 practically negated all of the sacrifices that Snake made throughout his life, and unbeknownst to himself, he was nothing more than a pawn and the instrument of destruction for a corrupt world order.

This is true but I dont think it takes anything away from Snake. The Patriots were a Frankestein that Big Boss created out of grief and being a cry baby that he couldn't stop and neither could his sons, it cost them all their lives Solid Snake is the closest to a survivor out of all of them.
 
Then you should realize that Snake wasn't a hero at all. He spent his entire life fighting Big Boss the others who would have liberated the world from The Patriot's control. MGS 4 practically negated all of the sacrifices that Snake made throughout his life, and unbeknownst to himself, he was nothing more than a pawn and the instrument of destruction for a corrupt world order.

:exactly:

Basically everything he fought for up until MGS4 became meaningless. He had such a bright outlook on the future and fighting for the freedoms of the people that were under the Patriots control... to becoming this geriatric old soldier that only wanted to die. MGS1 to MGS2 it's the same guy basically except in MGS1 he was only worried about himself. I don't know who that was in MGS4.
 
He had such a bright outlook on the future and fighting for the freedoms of the people that were under the Patriots control... to becoming this geriatric old soldier that only wanted to die. MGS1 and MGS2 it's the same guy, I don't know who that was in MGS4.

:goodpost:

I still have the image of the Snake of those games in my mind, I kind of ignore Old Snake
 
He knew he was finished. He couldnt even maintain his dog sled team or enjoy his smokes anymore. Id want to die too, especially if my girl was cheating on me with a youngster.

probably OMW to do something great, again.
 
The whole Meryl and Johnny thing seemed like it was thrown in intentionally just to show how pathetic Snake was at that point, to poke fun at him.
 
Oh right the sled dogs! I wondered what happened to his 50 huskies! Maybe Kojima just forgotten about that.
 
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:rotfl yeah that between Meryl and that gay dude only made it worse
 
He probably couldnt have them any more after the event in MGS2 he was kind of a wanted man. I am sure Philanthropy alone would make it hard to have those dogs especially when he only had them because he was retired to begin with. Anyone else think he should have been better with Sniper Wolfs dogs?
 
He was, after the wolves peed on meryls dirty little box solid slid inside it and was loved by them for the rest of the game

probably OMW to do something great, again.
 
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