Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes [Update: trailer]

[Solidus]

On another note, I just saw a Ground Zeros poster from TGS sell for $170 on auction

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

https://www.computerandvideogames.com/374707/previews/metal-gear-solid-ground-zeroes-preview-no-its-not-next-gen/

MGS:GZ will release on PS3




and on that Mickrosoft one too

 

[SOLIDSNAKE]

The game of 2013!

 

[Alice]

It's irritating when people don't admit that Big Boss is exactly like Solid Snake in many ways.

No one remembers the plot of MGS1 is to not be ruled by your genes.

I hope at some point they shed light on why they told Liquid he was inferior...

Unless I've misunderstood all these years, Liquid had the good genes. Recessive doesn't necessarily mean bad. In Big Boss' case his ability to do well in combat was a recessive gene. If it was dominant all of his kids would likely have grown up to be Little Big Bosses themselves.

Liquid got the recessive genes (blonde hair, blue eyes, ability to pick up combat skills easily etc.). Solid got the dominant genes (and looked remarkably like his dad) but wasn't the ace soldier by blood.

I think Liquid was told he was recessive and Solid was told he was dominant as a bit of a scheme. Sort of like telling your kid he's got a natural talent for sports when he doesn't. If you tell him enough maybe he can mentally overcome, and rise to be greater than if you just sat by and told him he wasn't cut out for sports at all. Solid was told he was dominant even though the dominant genes didn't include soldiering, but he took it that it did. Liquid the same, but he thought he was shorted in the soldier gene lotto.

In the end, Solid DID overcome his genes. He went on to be a bad ass even though his genes were stacked against him in that respect.

As far as Big Boss copying Solid, I see your point and raise you this. Of course Kojima is copying from Solid, but it seems only logical to me. When you see a kid and he has a certain look about him, or certain mannerisms, and then you see his father exhibit the same mannerism you think, "So that's where he gets it from." Double that when it's a clone I would imagine. Sure, we saw the kid doing the cool stuff first, but when we see his dad do it we don't automatically assume the dad copied his cool attitude from his kid.

I think by expanding Big Boss you're also expanding on Solid a bit in terms of personality. Sure, they're not 100% identical, but I would find it a bit more odd if Solid was nothing like Big Boss given that they're father and son/clone. It just makes sense to me.

In the end, I like Big Boss AND Solid. Big Boss was a bad ass, and Solid, against all odds became just as big a bad ass, and that makes him that much more awesome in my eyes. To excel at something you not only don't have the genes for, but rather, actually have a deficit in... that takes some fighting.

Solid overcame his genes and turned out to be just as awesome as his dad, if not more so. In that sense, the more Kojima talks up Big Boss' bad assery the more he's talking up Solid's in conjunction.

 

[ZombieRepublican]

You are mostly right except that it was infact Liquid who has the dominant genes. So That was the meani8ng behind the gene them of MGS1, that your fate is not ted to your genes.

On BigBoss, i beleive Kojima made BigBoss the protagonist of MGS3 and set it in the past for many reasons. A main reason was to not continue the story of MGS2, as at the time it was the end of the series. Also he was always fasinated by that era, which indeed a very interesting time.

He made him a SolidSnake clone due to major complaints of Raiden being the main character in MGS2. But bigBoss characetr is indeed different, but the two have enough in common to hush the fanboys lol.
The two while look the same in their youth do look different, as do all the Snake brothers as they are not perfect clones to begin with

 

[Alice]

I know about all of the "making of" reasons, but I was speaking completely in universe.

Recessive, dominant, superior, good, bad... Aside from the technicalities of who told them what, Solid still had the junk genes, but overcame it all and the theme worked. He ended up like dear old dad which was contrary to his genetic fate, so he and Big Boss being extremely similar still makes sense in universe.

 

[Solidus]

https://www.computerandvideogames.com/374707/previews/metal-gear-solid-ground-zeroes-preview-no-its-not-next-gen/

MGS:GZ will release on PS3




and on that Mickrosoft one too

This might be the one MGS game that I buy for the PC. There's no way that the consoles would be able to produce the quality of graphics, like that in the trailer.

 

[ZombieRepublican]

...He ended up like dear old dad which was contrary to his genetic fate, so he and Big Boss being extremely similar still makes sense in universe.

except that BB turned into a raving loon. It did build Slid up since not only did he beat bigboss but he also stayed true to himself and was a true hero. I really hope we see BigBoss become more evil in Zeroes, we saw a slight hint of that at the end of PeaceWalker but also strangely

Spoiler

Kaz, could someone explain that to me????

This might be the one MGS game that I buy for the PC. There's no way that the consoles would be able to produce the quality of graphics, like that in the trailer.

I dunno, if you look real close the polygons and detail are less than in MGS4 but the lighting is much much better, which is more important in making things look real. Overall this game is just gorgeous and even though i fear the story, its my most anticipated of 2013 along side The Last of Us

 

[Alice]

except that BB turned into a raving loon. It did build Slid up since not only did he beat bigboss but he also stayed true to himself and was a true hero.

I chalk that up to individual experiences, and the fact that Solid had the ability to control his anger a bit better. Liquid got his dad's temper, and it led to Shadow Moses. Both he and Big Boss both became disillusioned with the powers that be, so it's logical that they turned against them. Wouldn't say they were raving loons. Well, maybe Liquid was. He went on the offensive where as Big Boss just kinda wanted to be left alone.

But then Solid also went on his fight against the Patriots. Even Solidus did. But they all did it in a different way. So even though they're all similar enough to want the same thing they all were individual enough, due to personal experiences, to go about it a different way.

 

[ZombieRepublican]

Solidus was a great bad guy since his intentions were good. A tragic villain, in the grey area. Also BigBoss was a raving loon in MG1 and 2 btw

They have left BBs characterisation open still. BB could end up being the tragic villain like Solidus or the madman we saw MG1. One possibility, which i fear, is that they'll make him the good guy all along with Solid being a tool of the patriots stopping him at every turn. That would make my eyes roll so hard they fall out the sockets!

 

[Alice]

I know he was originally an outright bad guy in the old MSX games, but after seeing all that's come after, when I think about those games I can't help but see him as a Solidus type bad guy.

To me, even if they go with the tragic villain angle I would still like it because even if the Patriots "used" him to assassinate Big Boss (and it just shows how manipulative the Patriots are, and why Big Boss was so upset when he was cloned) I can't help but feel Solid would have done it anyway to protect the world. Much how he did in MGS4. He sacrificed himself to correct the balance.

I think the main reason most people don't like the idea of Big Boss turning out to be the tragic villain and the Patriots being the real big bad is because it's been hinted at so hard, was sort of revealed way to early and people can just see it coming now. That said, you can almost guarantee that won't be the case now because Kojima always throws a curve when you think you know what's gonna happen. Always.

 

[LoneWolf]

Still no new update eh?

At least Ground Zeroes is now in Wikipedia.. Easier to track even if I'm at work, as video game-related content is blocked here. Haha.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid:_Ground_Zeroes

 

[TX_Boy_210]

Looks great I am definitely getting MGS Revengence as I've heard Ground Zeroes and Revengence go hand in hand. Can't wait to see more footage on gameplay. I'm gonna beat the **** outta Revengence.

 

[Solidus]

Looks great I am definitely getting MGS Revengence as I've heard Ground Zeroes and Revengence go hand in hand. Can't wait to see more footage on gameplay. I'm gonna beat the **** outta Revengence.

Where did you hear that? Ground Zeroes is canonical to the main storyline of Metal Gear Solid, while Revengence is just a spin-off with Raiden as the main character.

 

[Dead-Man]

Ground Zeroes is set at like ... i dunno the 1970s? and Revengence is at the 2020s? .. no idea .. but there is a big timeline gap between each other

 

[Solidus]

Unless... there's a time paradox!

 

[Solidus]

I thought this thread needed a bump. With the announcement of the PS4 and rumors that it'll be released toward the end of this year, I believe that there's a good chance that KojiPro will start developing Ground Zeroes for the next generation of consoles. What do you guys think?

 

[Kiva]

it probably will be a ps4, its just a shame it wasnt like mgs 4 and was a ps3 early release because i think it could of drew alot more console buys

 

[Solidus]

True. But, the "exclusivity" aspect of MGS games to Playstation consoles have long since ended. If GZ does end up being a next-gen title, I think it'll be released for simultaneously for both the PS4 and whatever Microsoft comes up with.

 

[Jameson Rook]

I thought this thread needed a bump. With the announcement of the PS4 and rumors that it'll be released toward the end of this year, I believe that there's a good chance that KojiPro will start developing Ground Zeroes for the next generation of consoles. What do you guys think?

Absolutely! But not because of next gen graphics, but rather we all know that current gen hardware can't go any further. We can have beautiful graphics on 360/Ps3, but the performance takes a hit. Frame rate, number of things happening on-screen, native resolution- these are the things I care for.

Did anyone watched the 60fps Uncharted 3 demo that was on Eurogamer's Digital Foundry website? It looks AMAZING! That's what I want in next gen, not shiny, realistic graphics. Even MGS4 struggled at 20-30 fps.

I don't care if Ground Zeroes will look as it is even on PS4, as long as it runs butter smooth. Performance>graphics.