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Re: Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain

The story at this point does undermine older entries. I'm replaying the entire series in chronological order, currently in the middle of MGS1 and now and it feels obsolete compared to the later entries.
 
Re: Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain

The story at this point does undermine older entries. I'm replaying the entire series in chronological order, currently in the middle of MGS1 and now and it feels obsolete compared to the later entries.

The story is swirling chaos at this point, the prequels feel like a alternate universe at this point. MGS3 still felt like it was still attached to MGS1 and MGS2 but after that forget about it.
 
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If you thought it was better than either MGS1,2 or 3 then your opinion doesn't count because you obviously don't know what you're talking about - in my opinion of course.

Same goes for the argument between SS & BB. If you prefer BB then you are a fool in my eyes. I don't want to offend anyone and i'm not trying to start anything but it's the truth. BB was intended to be a nobody in the SOLID games, just the main boss character from the MSX games. It wasn't until MGS3 when they fleshed his story out did anyone actually care about BB. Who coincidentally was a copy of Solid Snake to keep people interested in the series and to stop everyone from crying about MGS2 and the lack of Snake, because he had already had that much of an impact..

There's no fanboyism or folly in complaining about the way the series is headed and has been headed for the latter part of it's existence. TTP/GZ does promise hope yes but judging on the last titles entered into the series i'm not holding out for much.

If anything everybody who is ****ing in there pants over some trailers are the real fan boys. Praising something they have seen a 15 minute trailer of that gives no insight into anything. It's basically a hype machine and you're all the suckas...

It's fine if you like the rubbish MGS games and like the way the series is headed but be under no delusion it's nothing compared to what it was and some better graphics and an open world map are not going to bring it back up to the same level it once was. It needs concise, well thought out, intricate and most of all emotional writing which stirs up new feelings for old emotions, not retconning the same bull**** for 3 games.

That's why Solid Snake will always be better than Big Boss because he will always be the more interesting character. Kojima inadvertently saw to that by making Big Boss so predictable and borish


EDIT: When i say rubbish MGS games, i merely mean the worst out of the games that have been made. I still think MGS4 & PW are ok and i got enjoyment out of them of course, just an overall set disappointed was felt the more i played, which is the premise behind the reasons as to why some people really like it and why some don't. You were either disappointed or you weren't

I agree and disagree with this to some extent, because I do like MGS1 the most, but MGS2 the least, I can let go the fact that you say MGS4 is bull****, and that it retconned everything, because not matter how hard you try, it will never anything else than an opinion, not a fact.

Now, you can't say that someone who likes MGS4 the most doesn't know what (s)he's talking about, because there are many plausible reasons why somebody would like MGS4 better than the rest, it may not be the case if you judge it only by the story, then I agree, but it comes down to MUCH more than the story since it's a game we're talking about, not just a story, being a game there are more elements that come into account to judge it completely, gameplay mechanics, AI, sound, and graphics(which don't make much difference to me if a game is crap) etc, etc, from that POV it's plausible that some people will like MGS4 better and still know what they're talking about, personally for me MGS4 was infinitely more fun to play than MGS2, the story is not better than MGS2 of course, but as a game, for me it's much better.

BB was only a boss in the MGSX games, true that, regardless, it's the nature of a story to change it's path with it's creator's will, and it made him become a major character in the series, that is by no means reprehensible because there was nothing "intended" for the series to be, except what Kojima wants them to be, you can dislike that and it's respectable, but people can like it too, thus creating a fanbase for BB, don't get me wrong, I like SS better, but BB has certainly escalated my list to be on par with some of the major characters of the series.

I also don't see how being excited for what we've seen in the trailers is fanboyism, true, praising mindlessly a game that hasn't come out is fanboyism, but enjoying it and hope for the best isn't.

One thing I can agree with is that the MGS story, for everyone to be happy with it, needs to take it up a notch and be better and better thought and written than it has been with the latest games, but I doubt it will ever be as charming as MGS1.

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Re: Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain

As old as this franchise is, at least it's kept the same gameplay formula and only continues to improve it.

Resident Evil lost it's way with RE4, even though I like RE4 it was still a far departure in terms of gameplay.
 
Re: Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain

As old as this franchise is, at least it's kept the same gameplay formula and only continues to improve it.

Resident Evil lost it's way with RE4, even though I like RE4 it was still a far departure in terms of gameplay.

Could not agree more.

That's true, RE4 did change the formula gameplay-wise, but not that much IMO, since all they did was to pass the perspective to 3rd person, but at least the tone of the story and atmosphere was still somewhat faithful to it's roots, RE5 was where major liberties were taken.
 
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I will give RE5 a pass, but RE6 was a cluster**** of too many playable characters and not a hint of horror or frights in it.
 
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Question,

Who are the Patriots? i know the Founders are Big Boss & Zero, But with Big Boss Semi Dead & Zero being Old.. who took it from there afterwards? from MGS1-2-4 .. i'm Guessing it's an AI, if so an AI is controlling everything?
 
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Question,

Who are the Patriots? i know the Founders are Big Boss & Zero, But with Big Boss Semi Dead & Zero being Old.. who took it from there afterwards? from MGS1-2-4 .. i'm Guessing it's an AI, if so an AI is controlling everything?

Para-medic (Dr.Clark) Sigint (Darpa Chief) and Zero seem to be the main members running things into the 21st century. In MGS1 it was still Zero but MGS2 began the beginning of the planet being AI run.

Ocelot more or less stayed an Agent and wasn't a "king chess piece" as President Johnson called it, and Eva was on the outs in Europe.

Big Boss was only in the group a year or so before he was cloned and he left the group for South America.
 
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Para-medic (Dr.Clark) Sigint (Darpa Chief) and Zero seem to be the main members running things into the 21st century. In MGS1 it was still Zero but MGS2 began the beginning of the planet being AI run.

Ocelot more or less stayed an Agent and wasn't a "king chess piece" as President Johnson called it, and Eva was on the outs in Europe.

Big Boss was only in the group a year or so before he was cloned and he left the group for South America.

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Re: Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain

Yep everything everyone has said here is true to some extent. Like i mentioned, everything i said in that far too long post was purely opinionated and reaches itself out to people who share the same mindset as myself and feel that same way about the games.

I guess we can only praise Kojima for not letting Konami completely butcher MGS like Capcom did to Resi Evil. Even if he has made some questionable decisions along the way, it's still the essence of MGS and that's why it's still popular 25 years later

All i can honestly say is Solid Snake is very much part of the life of MGS to me and is the fictional character i have most emotion for. It's a good thing that many of the fans of MGS have such strong feelings one way or another about the franchise and can engage in even emotionally driven conversations. I read a lot threads on here that are so boring man
 
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Yep everything everyone has said here is true to some extent. Like i mentioned, everything i said in that far too long post was purely opinionated and reaches itself out to people who share the same mindset as myself and feel that same way about the games.

I guess we can only praise Kojima for not letting Konami completely butcher MGS like Capcom did to Resi Evil. Even if he has made some questionable decisions along the way, it's still the essence of MGS and that's why it's still popular 25 years later

All i can honestly say is Solid Snake is very much part of the life of MGS to me and is the fictional character i have most emotion for. It's a good thing that many of the fans of MGS have such strong feelings one way or another about the franchise and can engage in even emotionally driven conversations. I read a lot threads on here that are so boring man

It just seems to me those most and I stress the word most hardcore Big Boss fans have this weird resentment or outright dismissive attitude toward Solid Snake.

Which is why there has been a lot of arguments in here, which I've taken part in :lol

I've stated it until I was blue in the face but I have no ill will toward Big Boss, it's more toward Kojima for watering down the legend and his overexposure of the character.
 
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Solid Snake and Big Boss are like Superman and Batman, I'm a bigger fan of Bats but I have greater respect for Superman.

Superman gets tossed around these days because he hasn't been in a good movie in years. He's being call outdated, lame and unrelatable like Solid Snake. The day will come when both these characters gets the game/movie they deserve.
 
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