1/6 MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

[mrjasontodd]

Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

if they rerelease this I will get one. I really do not care for the drama all of these are causing involved, I just want my toys.

 

[Tyranus7]

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why not to wait for a brand new improved figure from TDKR? DX02 , has a lot of flaws, arms, chest, legs, neck, sculpt head...

 

[DarkMagic]

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Well I agree with difabio, I think they should only give the new version the tdkr accessories, it's only fair to people who bought the dx02 as it might help the figure keep it's value.

Kinda like how HT wants first-run Tumbler owners to be able to maintain that release's value? It's not about being "fair", HT isn't in that business, they're in the business of making what sells...for their own profit, and rightly so. They're primarily concerned with maximizing their initial sale profit, not the potential profit for people on the secondary market above the retail price they set .

Why should they care about the perceived "value" for secondary market sellers/flippers/evil bayers/whatever you want to call them---people seeking profit who had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the figure?

Then the DX 02 would be completely invalid and obsolete. I mean, an improved TDK "TDKR" versions was inevitable, but this soon and possibly a DX 2.0? It's redundant as far as I'm concerned.

If the redo was as you suggested and included everything the original DX included, plus TDKR accessories, what would be the point of the original DX?

The point is that the original DX was the best TDK-suit figure HT could release...at that point in time. Just like their first BB figure was the best they could do...at that point in time....Then they got better, and MMS67 was released, complete with the best Bruce Wayne headsculpt they could do...at that point in time....

Then the Batsuit Begins Toy Fair version was released.

Besides, the DX02 had that crazy leaking issue, that would hopefully be solved in the next release. I understand it's gotta be a little frustrating to get an item and think it's the best version...and then something better comes out. But if HT can keep raising the bar, they should push ahead and improve.

 

[DiFabio]

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I understand it's gotta be a little frustrating to get an item and think it's the best version...and then something better comes out. But if HT can keep raising the bar, they should push ahead and improve.

Okay, and that's perfectly fine and acceptable. There's just no need to give it a Sonar head, backpack or sticky bomb gun. I'm all for the "new and improved" TDK/TDKR Batman, it was bound to happen but at least let the DX 02 have something unique for it's release. The original Begins version has the whole "collectors item" thing going for it, especially with it's certificate of authenticity. It still goes for mega bucks on ebay. The OC has the pneumatic mangler and different paint. The TDK V1 is unique and is specifically made for the Batpod. The DX 02 is the DX 02.

Folks that missed out aren't interested in a few accessories or parts, they're interested in the whole character. Wouldn't it be better to cater to all kinds of fans? The ones that already have something similer, those who don't and those that want both?

 

[Agentofchaos]

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I wouldn't be getting a straight up DX02 release - only the eventual TDKR release.

 

[karamazov80]

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Nobody poses DX Batman with the damn Sonar head anyways.

 

[DarkMagic]

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Folks that missed out aren't interested in a few accessories or parts, they're interested in the whole character. Wouldn't it be better to cater to all kinds of fans? The ones that already have something similer, those who don't and those that want both?

I missed out on the DX02 and I am definitely interested in a figure that includes those TDK-specific accessories. I don't know why anyone else who missed out and is interested in the whole character would NOT want a Batman figure with the sonar head, sticky bomb gun, and backpack.

How about an MMS TDKR release that includes just a TDKR-specific gadgets, and a TDKR DX (a.k.a. "ver 2.0") that includes ALL of the gadgets from both films? That would really cater to all kinds of fans, and be profitable for HT (as I said above, their first priority as a business is to do what is profitable for them).

DX02 owners who already have those gadgets and who want the new TDKR gadgets could buy the MMS TDKR. Win for them (they don't have to shell out the full DX02 ver 2.0-level price just for the new gadgets) AND Win for HT (they get another sale to collectors who already have a DX02 but want the TDKR gadgets...as far as I know, HT doesn't sell character-specific "accessory packs" separately from the figure).

Those who missed the DX02 can get the "DX02 ver 2.0" and get ALL of the gadgets from both TDK and TDKR. Win for them (they get the best deal and the best available all-around TDK+R figure...at that time, of course) AND Win for HT as they get a sale to those that didn't buy the first-release DX02.

All of this win...so who loses? Those that expected their DX02 to remain the king of best-version TDK-suit figures forever. Also the potential losers are anyone who naively believes "DX02 version 2.0" is assured to retain that throne indefinitely once taking it.

 

[DiFabio]

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That would literally be four releases of just TDK suit in 4 years. That's 6 Bale Batman figures in 4 years. That's insane.

That's the kind of stuff Hasbro or Mattel does and I would like to think Hot Toys is a little better than that. If they're going to do that, plus re-release a version every other quarter to cater to everyone than they can lower the price. That's production. The more you make, the less expensive it is. We're at the point now where most figures are $200 plus. It makes sense if the product and manufacturing is limited, but with more and more fans and more and more product, it should be less.

I remember when all you basically could choose from was the original Hot Toys Batman, Medicom, and Takara. That was it, companies competing with companies. Then Hot Toys came out with their improved OC Batman and an all new TDK Batman. Other companies followed suit and you also had some customizers in on the competition.

But now? Other than Enterbay, Hot Toys is literally in competition with themselves. You mention that Hot Toys' first priority as a business is to do what is profitable for them, well rerelease and revision after revision won't help them in the long run. I think we'll get to a point where collectors will start to question, "is this really the best Hot Toys can do?" and wait for the Ver. 5.0. Just because it's "business" doesn't mean it's right. There's integrity to be considered.

I can see making a DX of an MMS (which was the origin of the line) but when you start making a "DX 2.0" or version 5 or 6 of a product in a short time frame, there's something wrong.

The "next" Batman should be TDKR version, an improved version of the DX 02 with goodies from TDKR (like that cool new gun). If it's anything else it isn't "catering to those who missed out", it's a money grab, plain and simple.

 

[Vortex]

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That would literally be four releases of just TDK suit in 4 years. That's 6 Bale Batman figures in 4 years. That's insane.

That's the kind of stuff Hasbro or Mattel does and I would like to think Hot Toys is a little better than that. If they're going to do that, plus re-release a version every other quarter to cater to everyone than they can lower the price. That's production. The more you make, the less expensive it is. We're at the point now where most figures are $200 plus. It makes sense if the product and manufacturing is limited, but with more and more fans and more and more product, it should be less.

I remember when all you basically could choose from was the original Hot Toys Batman, Medicom, and Takara. That was it, companies competing with companies. Then Hot Toys came out with their improved OC Batman and an all new TDK Batman. Other companies followed suit and you also had some customizers in on the competition.

But now? Other than Enterbay, Hot Toys is literally in competition with themselves. You mention that Hot Toys' first priority as a business is to do what is profitable for them, well rerelease and revision after revision won't help them in the long run. I think we'll get to a point where collectors will start to question, "is this really the best Hot Toys can do?" and wait for the Ver. 5.0. Just because it's "business" doesn't mean it's right. There's integrity to be considered.

I can see making a DX of an MMS (which was the origin of the line) but when you start making a "DX 2.0" or version 5 or 6 of a product in a short time frame, there's something wrong.

The "next" Batman should be TDKR version, an improved version of the DX 02 with goodies from TDKR (like that cool new gun). If it's anything else it isn't "catering to those who missed out", it's a money grab, plain and simple.

Post of the year. Bravo.

 

[DarkMagic]

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That would literally be four releases of just TDK suit in 4 years. That's 6 Bale Batman figures in 4 years. That's insane.

It's actually LESS insane than they've been. Technically 2 TDK-suit Batmen and two TDKR-suit Batmen. (I know it's an identical suit, but it will be under the TDKR banner) It's really 4 TDK-suit releases over 2 movies. When Joker DX 2.0 comes out, we'll have 4 versions of a character from just ONE movie.

I agree, with increase production numbers and increasing customers, HT could probably reduce their prices and still turn a nice profit. But I also believe they've worked out the sweet spot between figuring out the highest price they can charge and still not worry about selling out. Look, HT knows that selling figures for $500 a pop won't work for them (right now, anyway ).

But they also know that even though fans miss the days of ~$150 (or even less expensive) figures the fan enthusiasm for new properties and nostalgia for for their products based on older properties are at such a high level that even if it stings the wallet a bit, they WILL STILL SHELL OUT for a $200+ figure, especially since HT's constantly improving quality helps justify it. Don't believe it? Check out all of the declarations of "Preordered!! " in the Keaton thread (despite its ~$220+ price), the Tumbler relaunch (at a higher price) thread, and the 89 Batmobile thread (where many, including yours truly are determined to buy it, even though we don't yet have a definitive cost).

It's a fine line to walk, and believe me, whoever sets HT's prices knows that there is a price point at which people will walk away and it is no longer profitable for them, so they won't cross that line. But will they walk riiiiiight up to it? Absolutely.

What does "integrity" or what is "right" (right for who, exactly?) have to do with it? The integrity is there. It's not like HT is engaging in shady business practices pulling a fast one on anyone or forcing anyone to buy something they don't want. HT makes the product, clearly describes it (with photos!--what you see is what you get) and sets the price. If someone wants it bad enough, and can afford it, they will buy it. If they know a little about the hobby and the industry, they know there is a chance of a better version being released down the line. They can take their chances and buy the current version, or take their chances and wait.

If, as you say, it ever gets to a point that people stop buying figures because they are wondering "is this really the best HT can do?", then of course HT will notice and adjust to increase the demand. They can do this a few ways: do re-releases less often, reduce production runs.

 

[mrclean08]

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Kinda like how HT wants first-run Tumbler owners to be able to maintain that release's value? It's not about being "fair", HT isn't in that business, they're in the business of making what sells...for their own profit, and rightly so. They're primarily concerned with maximizing their initial sale profit, not the potential profit for people on the secondary market above the retail price they set .

Why should they care about the perceived "value" for secondary market sellers/flippers/evil bayers/whatever you want to call them---people seeking profit who had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the figure?



The point is that the original DX was the best TDK-suit figure HT could release...at that point in time. Just like their first BB figure was the best they could do...at that point in time....Then they got better, and MMS67 was released, complete with the best Bruce Wayne headsculpt they could do...at that point in time....

Then the Batsuit Begins Toy Fair version was released.

Besides, the DX02 had that crazy leaking issue, that would hopefully be solved in the next release. I understand it's gotta be a little frustrating to get an item and think it's the best version...and then something better comes out. But if HT can keep raising the bar, they should push ahead and improve.

Well said my friend.

 

[Gipetto0812]

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Okay, and that's perfectly fine and acceptable. There's just no need to give it a Sonar head, backpack or sticky bomb gun. I'm all for the "new and improved" TDK/TDKR Batman, it was bound to happen but at least let the DX 02 have something unique for it's release. The original Begins version has the whole "collectors item" thing going for it, especially with it's certificate of authenticity. It still goes for mega bucks on ebay. The OC has the pneumatic mangler and different paint. The TDK V1 is unique and is specifically made for the Batpod. The DX 02 is the DX 02.

gotta agree with you DiFab. I'm definitely down for a newer/updated TDK/TDKR Batsuit figure but definitely don't want those same DX02 items that I already have. Sure batman will most likely always come with batarangs, grapnel gun and the little bat-bomb, but like you've said, every Nolan batman release so far has had some kind of unique feature about it that sets it apart from it's remakes/upgrades. Almost like the IM MKI 2.0 It's almost the same thing, but it's got a new sculpt, new base, and new flame attachment.

Nobody poses DX Batman with the damn Sonar head anyways.

I do! I make use of all my figures accessories

 

[Nitro]

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That would literally be four releases of just TDK suit in 4 years. That's 6 Bale Batman figures in 4 years. That's insane.

That's the kind of stuff Hasbro or Mattel does and I would like to think Hot Toys is a little better than that. If they're going to do that, plus re-release a version every other quarter to cater to everyone than they can lower the price. That's production. The more you make, the less expensive it is. We're at the point now where most figures are $200 plus. It makes sense if the product and manufacturing is limited, but with more and more fans and more and more product, it should be less.

I remember when all you basically could choose from was the original Hot Toys Batman, Medicom, and Takara. That was it, companies competing with companies. Then Hot Toys came out with their improved OC Batman and an all new TDK Batman. Other companies followed suit and you also had some customizers in on the competition.

But now? Other than Enterbay, Hot Toys is literally in competition with themselves. You mention that Hot Toys' first priority as a business is to do what is profitable for them, well rerelease and revision after revision won't help them in the long run. I think we'll get to a point where collectors will start to question, "is this really the best Hot Toys can do?" and wait for the Ver. 5.0. Just because it's "business" doesn't mean it's right. There's integrity to be considered.

I can see making a DX of an MMS (which was the origin of the line) but when you start making a "DX 2.0" or version 5 or 6 of a product in a short time frame, there's something wrong.

The "next" Batman should be TDKR version, an improved version of the DX 02 with goodies from TDKR (like that cool new gun). If it's anything else it isn't "catering to those who missed out", it's a money grab, plain and simple.

I gotta say...Excellent post DiFab!!

 

[FDBMath]

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I would like to pretend that I wouldn't get an updated TDK Bats (be it TDK or TDKR), but I would be lying. Just like when I said I wouldn't get the OC Bats because my Takara was fine for me. Or like I wouldn't get the TF OC Bats because my OC Bats was fine.

I have a feeling many people are just like me. Hot Toys knows this, and thus, they do the relaunches.

 

[spindrift]

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It's going to be a DX reissue with no sonar head and new CB sculpt. Yeah, no sticky bomb gun.
UNLESS Ht is doing a straight reissue with exact box and everything. Then they can do updated DKR DX later....LOL

 

[SSC EX Hunter]

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In my...ehem... Professional opinion this should be the last batman they make, no more bullsheet, straight-up give it everything, a bale sculpt and all the goodies. After this the milking should just stop. Enough of the sheet with "catering to the people who missed out" that's life! If you aren't at the right place at the right time, sometimes you miss out that's it. This madness has to stop!

 

[dominishin]

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Agreed. **** the re-release. Do TDKR DX (DX02 2.0?). TDKR accessories, Wayne Sculpt, etc. etc.

 

[Brandoloneous]

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Nobody poses DX Batman with the damn Sonar head anyways.

If it weren't for the weird "giraffe neck" I would every once and awhile

 

[jye4ever]

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1/4 Batman or GTFO

 

[vodoun]

Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

Nobody poses DX Batman with the damn Sonar head anyways.

Funny that, it's all most ever demanded before the DX was announced.