Moria ORC PF

[MinMay]

What I noticed...the cloth around his leg has the correct color. If that's the case, then someone in China must of missed a step in 'coloring his shirt piece before putting it on.

More detailed picture can be seen at Pablo's site.

https://www.sculptedheroes.com/content.php?section=sculpture

 

[Malice]

Someone spoke to Sideshow and they're awared and acknowledged the boo boo. I feel confident that they'll fix it. Let's all be happy

https://www.statueforum.com/showpost.php?p=2451018&postcount=475

maybe all is not lost yet, i hope they do something about this. well at least before they send me mine.

 

[Darklord Dave]

 

[Malice]

 

[Shai]

So what are you sayin Dark D.....

 

[Darklord Dave]

I'm sorry I let this thread go so long without commenting. I had no idea this guy was shipping yet. So we have pics from a couple of people and the material used appears to be off-model.

Then we have the usual suspects who enjoy stirring up crap trying to make things worse with their comments even though they have no interest in the line and don't collect these items.

And finally we have the poor people caught in the middle who get embroiled in the mass hysteria and quickly go to cancel their Moria Orc.

Contrary to an earlier poster, I envy the Sideshow collectors who aren't on these boards. 90% of them will get this item and, unaware that they are supposed to be outraged, will actually enjoy owning it.

Perhaps the pleather used IS too red or not weathered enough. It's happened before that a material used on a pre-production sample gets changed at the factory unbeknownst to Sideshow and then the production items ship that way. I can't say that they'll fix it like they did the entire run of Roger Moore PFs or the stealth Iron Man. At this point I'm not even sure there's something TO fix. I haven't gotten mine yet.

But the outrage and anger is misplaced. Cancel it if you feel like you can trust these pictures, you're out nothing. If, in fact, it is that different they'll probably take care of the flexpay customers as well if you call in and explain. They have before.

 

[quadcent]

yep

 

[Darklord Dave]

From the costume galleries of the extended Fellowship of the Ring:

 

[Kratos]

maybe all is not lost yet, i hope they do something about this. well at least before they send me mine.

I'm sure yours will be alright Malice....I hope

 

[icruise]

From the costume galleries of the extended Fellowship of the Ring:

Those look more maroon than bright red, but I'm not really sure the the color of the actual costume is relevant, for a couple of reasons. First, we can only make our buying decisions based on what Sideshow shows us via the prototype pictures. While you expect some changes in terms of the quality of the paint job etc., you generally don't expect major changes in color or materials. To ship something substantially different with no notice and then say "aha, but look at the original costume!" doesn't really seem fair. In the end, people thought they were ordering something different than what is being shipped out, and that's not good.

The other thing is that just because a costume is a certain color in real life doesn't mean that's how it's necessarily supposed to appear on screen (and that's what really matters in the end). They may very well have chosen a brighter red color for the costume to achieve the color that they wanted in the dark Moria scenes.

 

[LOTRFan]

Not to mention the Weta pieces that no one ever complained about.

 

[Alice Adrenochrome]

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The other thing is that just because a costume is a certain color in real life doesn't mean that's how it's necessarily supposed to appear on screen (and that's what really matters in the end). They may very well have chosen a brighter red color for the costume to achieve the color that they wanted in the dark Moria scenes.

Yes, I've thought about this as well. Screen accuracy is what matters most to me also, but some folks go for the prop accuracy! I don't know what went wrong in the case of the MO, but, I'm sure SSC was/is aware of the Screen/prop thing also. Either SSC made the call for the MO's red gear, or, someone else did but somebody okey'ed this.
Not that it's such a big deal to me, 'cause I cancelled the Orc for other reasons, even before the first in-hand pictures of it appeared. I hope all disappointed fans get an acceptable solution though. And, I also hope that troubles like this can be avoided for all future PF releases, no matter the licence. These statues aren't cheap after all.

 

[the Doctor]

Not to mention the Weta pieces that no one ever complained about.

how can you complain about perfection..the weta pieces colour looks nothing like the final product and i'd say identical to the pf proto which is what everyone here wanted.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Some licensees insist on actual accuracy rather than screen accuracy. I'm not saying that's what's happened here.

However I'd like to see more pics of the actual piece in various lighting conditions.

 

[Alice Adrenochrome]

There's definitely been a different approach between the Weta statues and the later SSC statues. It seems the Weta artist where involved on a different level with the whole project to begin with.
Anyway, as I said before, I'm still very happy with the Weta representations of the Moria Orc Swordsman, the Orc Archer, the Berserker and Lurtz. From that list, the SSC Lurtz is the only one that is completely different from the Weta statue. That's one of the reasons why I got it. The others, this Orc and the Berserker are - in regards of appearance - close to what Weta did at the time. So, why buy them? For the size? The SSC sculpting is outstanding though, but not reason enough for me to invest $600. It would be an other story if I wouldn't own the Weta statues already, I have to admit. I'd kept my orders for the SSC MO and Berserker I belive.

 

[dtssyst]

My Rant for the Evening Concerning the Moria ORC PF

I am sure that it is safe to say that everyone is not complaining about the sculpt. The issue is that the clothes were NOT to be red.

We the collector/buyer are only asking that the statues clothes be closer to what was originally advertised and sold to us.

The bigger topic is that we are asking that all statues released are closer to what we ordered when first put up for sale.

A product should NEVER be advertised and sold unless the company that is making it can, with out a doubt, produce it as they have advertised it. A prototype SHOULD BE 99.9% close to what will be produced as the final product.

Any changes to a product SHOULD be made available to all parties/persons that purchased said product as soon as the changes were made.

My Statue will arrive this Tuesday. I am really looking forward to getting him and hope that it is not as bad as the early inhand photos show. IF it is returned, a FULL refund is the only option.

 

[Fubeca]

Some licensees insist on actual accuracy rather than screen accuracy. I'm not saying that's what's happened here.

However I'd like to see more pics of the actual piece in various lighting conditions.

Ah yes I did notice in the LOTR movies that the Moria Orc's were wearing Tommy Hilfiger Red Shirts...

 

[LOTRFan]

Some licensees insist on actual accuracy rather than screen accuracy. I'm not saying that's what's happened here.

However I'd like to see more pics of the actual piece in various lighting conditions.

Interesting angle Dave, and certainly as plausible as any suggestion; stranger things have happened with Lucas Film.

As far as the Weta pieces, maybe it is just mine (but I highly doubt it) - both the Archer and Swordsman busts have quite a serious red on them.

 

[Fubeca]

Why thank you kind sir I appreciate you showing me the errors of my ways!

 

[xerxes]

There are several issues at play here. Firstly the problem of the piece itself. The fabric that has been used is obviously not what was advertised in the prototype (be it type, colour, weathering, stitching etc. and we’ve had several photo sources in different light conditions now… all indicating the same red) and subsequently has had a major impact on the presentation of the production pieces as they have been sold and shipped.

Secondly, and possibly far more damning is the way Sideshow has conducted itself through the above. Now I’ll bet dollars to donuts Sideshow are this very weekend working on a response to this issue, they obviously know about it through complaints etc. (Dusty has posted in a different thread here after all hell broke loose in the Moria thread, so they obviously know) let’s give them the benefit of the doubt until next week when we should get something concrete out of them.

That being said I find it hard to believe Sideshow didn’t know what was being sent out to customers. Such a large change wouldn’t go unnoticed and as such we have to ask ourselves why Sideshow went through with distribution and the manner in which they did… no updated production pic’s etc. In reality Sideshow have now painted themselves into a corner, anything less than a recall and fix at their expense will most likely be perceived as leaving the customer high and dry with all the ramifications that may come from that to say nothing of the reaction to the perceived duplicitous behaviour displayed by Sideshow in initial distribution. Glad I cancelled mine long ago… feel sorry for all you folks on flexipay What a mess…