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Yup, Lebron is now Scottie 2.0

Don't get me wrong I love Pip he helped us get 6 rings. But I'd rather be MJ.

hardly bro..........obviously you have already forgotton about all the stats he has put up in his first 7 years. Again...........you guys make him out as "Pippen" just cause he wants to go play with his friends, would you still call him Pippen if all 3 went to NY, why does it matter that Wade is already in Maimi?
 
hardly bro..........obviously you have already forgotton about all the stats he has put up in his first 7 years. Again...........you guys make him out as "Pippen" just cause he wants to go play with his friends, would you still call him Pippen if all 3 went to NY, why does it matter that Wade is already in Maimi?

So true, for all we know, Wade could take a back seat, doubtful but possible.
 
hardly bro..........obviously you have already forgotton about all the stats he has put up in his first 7 years. Again...........you guys make him out as "Pippen" just cause he wants to go play with his friends, would you still call him Pippen if all 3 went to NY, why does it matter that Wade is already in Maimi?

I would answer the question , Yes.

Taking nothing away from Lebron's talent or accomplishments however, Wade has talent along with a title and finals mvp. IMO Wade trumps James regardless which one may be more talented. I assure you whether in NY or Mia, Wade will be Wade while James will adapt his game to accomidate Wade. Thus Wade is the man alla Jordan and Lebron the side-kick alla Pippen. Bosh is a more skilled complimentary piece like Grant. What they accomplish or don't accomplish is yet to be determined.
 
I would answer the question , Yes.

Taking nothing away from Lebron's talent or accomplishments however, Wade has talent along with a title and finals mvp. IMO Wade trumps James regardless which one may be more talented. I assure you whether in NY or Mia, Wade will be Wade while James will adapt his game to accomidate Wade. Thus Wade is the man alla Jordan and Lebron the side-kick alla Pippen. Bosh is a more skilled complimentary piece like Grant. What they accomplish or don't accomplish is yet to be determined.

yea, Ok Wade has a title, but he doesnt have any regular season MVP's and Lebron has 2 in a row. Lebron has done more with less. Lebron didnt even have a real coach when Wade had Riley. Even if Miami wins multiple titles, that doesnt mean Wade is gonna be MVP of all of them. I think individually, Lebron is still the best player on Maimi, even if he has to cut back and play point.
Magic played point and still won his finals MVP trophies as well.
 
yea, Ok Wade has a title, but he doesnt have any regular season MVP's and Lebron has 2 in a row. Lebron has done more with less. Lebron didnt even have a real coach when Wade had Riley. Even if Miami wins multiple titles, that doesnt mean Wade is gonna be MVP of all of them. I think individually, Lebron is still the best player on Maimi, even if he has to cut back and play point.
Magic played point and still won his finals MVP trophies as well.

I agree.

The difference between Magic and Lebron is their style of play.

Magic created offense for the Lakers whether tossing the ball into the post (Kareem) or leading the break (Worthy) etc. All those players fed off Magic to score therefore, he didn't sacrifice his game to be successful.

Lebron and Wade both play on the wing and both need the ball to be successful. Wade or Lebron will have to sacrifice their game for this to succeed and the logic choice is Lebron.

Taking a que from players which I consider greats Jordan, Kobe etc. I cannot think of one player during their prime who would take a second seat to anyone to win. Instead they would accept the challenge to overcome adversity and succeed. This is the area I think Lebron hurt himself but ultimately it is his choice his legacy.
 
Yup, Lebron is now Scottie 2.0

Don't get me wrong I love Pip he helped us get 6 rings. But I'd rather be MJ.
Yup, he's taking a back seat instead of being the main attraction. Playing Robin to Batman. :lol

The real King..

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Self proclaimed king.. aka quitter

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:goodpost: Until Durant unseeds Kobe, he will be king.
I am now a Kevin Durant fan. The kid plays hard and is humble, not all about publicity and making himself look good.
 
hardly bro..........obviously you have already forgotton about all the stats he has put up in his first 7 years. Again...........you guys make him out as "Pippen" just cause he wants to go play with his friends, would you still call him Pippen if all 3 went to NY, why does it matter that Wade is already in Maimi?

Nope hadnt forgotten the first 7. In those 7 he tried to be Jordan like. He was the main guy. Going to Wade's team and doing it that way he will have to give up a lot of his ego to go with Wade. Thus becoming Pippen 2.0. This is Wade's team and city I don't care what they say. If they had gone to NY or Chicago then it is different. I think the reasons are obvious.
 
Nope hadnt forgotten the first 7. In those 7 he tried to be Jordan like. He was the main guy. Going to Wade's team and doing it that way he will have to give up a lot of his ego to go with Wade. Thus becoming Pippen 2.0. This is Wade's team and city I don't care what they say. If they had gone to NY or Chicago then it is different. I think the reasons are obvious.

so if they go on to win titles and Lebron is the MVP of those championships, he is still considered to be a sidekick? You guys talk all of this stuff on assumptions. So what if Wade is already there, that doesnt mean he is the better player.
 
so if they go on to win titles and Lebron is the MVP of those championships, he is still considered to be a sidekick? You guys talk all of this stuff on assumptions. So what if Wade is already there, that doesnt mean he is the better player.

Interesting...i believe LeBron just took a back seat to Wade. Dominant players call the shots, and he did anything but call the shots. He changed his plans for what other people were doing...kinds Like MALONE and PAYTON in LA. LeBron was talking about leading the team to a championship, but it's Wade's team. Kinda mind boggling if you ask me. That't why i thought FOR SURE he was gonna go to the KNICKS, because it would be HIS team.

He doesn't know it yet, but went from Michael Jordan to Scottie Pippen with that decision.
 
That was a good read. Here it is for those that are too lazy to click. :D

My favorite parts in bold. :clap

GREENWICH, Conn., July 8, 1990 -- Michael Jordan announced on national television he's leaving Chicago to join the Detroit Pistons. Jordan said it was tough to bolt Chicago, where he was the most popular athlete in many years, because he thinks he has a better chance to win a championship if he plays with Pistons star Isiah Thomas. Jordan said by playing together, he and Thomas "won't have the pressure of going out and scoring 30 every night."

That would have sounded absurd, right? Well, it is no more absurd than what LeBron James is doing. Jordan was 27 years old in 1990, slightly older than James is now. He had never been to the NBA Finals. He had been beaten up by the Celtics and Pistons for years. He doubted his supporting cast was good enough.

But he never doubted himself.

And it became very clear Thursday night that LeBron James does doubt himself. James will be a champion in Miami -- if not next year, then sometime after that. If you put James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh together and give Pat Riley five years to find the complementary pieces, that team will win a championship.

But James does not have the heart of a champion. He does not have the competitive fire of Jordan, the bull-headed determination of Kobe Bryant, the quiet self-confidence of Tim Duncan, the willful defiance of Isiah or the winning-is-everything hunger of Magic Johnson.

He is an extremely gifted player who wants the easy way out.

And how do we know this?

James said so himself.

Oh, not in so many words. But once ESPN was done ESPN-izing its LeBron coverage -- filling it with babbling experts, needless hype and Jim Gray submitting his top six entries in the Stupidest Question Ever contest -- the self-proclaimed King said everything you need to know about him.

1. "You have to do what's best for you, and what's going to make you happy."

This is what's going to make him happy? Sharing a stage with two other stars? Really?

I guess that's all LeBron is: A complementary player with superstar talent. We should have figured this out before: He got that giant CHOSEN 1 tattoo on his back and calls himself King James because he is desperate for reassurance.

There is no greater challenge in sports getting drafted by a godawful team, planting your flag in a city and working like crazy until you have turned that team into a champion.

LeBron James didn't want the challenge. He wanted to play with his buddies.


2. "We don't have the pressure of going out and scoring 30 every night or shooting a high percentage."

Whoa. Hold on there. Scoring 30 a night is too much pressure for one of the five most talented players ever?

Find me another all-time NBA great who would utter those words. Jordan would rather do an adidas commercial than say that. Bryant must have laughed as he heard the so-called "King" say that. Larry Bird? The next time he complains about pressure will be the first. Magic was the greatest team player of the last 40 years, but he was also so competitive that he wanted to play Jordan one-on-one in a promotional event -- and this was when Magic had won titles and Jordan had not, so Magic had more to lose.

3. "I know how loyal I am."

The man just dumped his hometown(s) on national television. Cleveland (and, by extension, Akron) happens to be the most tortured sports city in America. To do that, then say "I know how loyal I am" ... wow, wow, wow.

I wish I could sit in on one of LeBron's meetings with his advisers. Does he make them all wear mirrored sunglasses, so that when he looks at them he sees himself?

We really don't ask that much of our sports stars. Try not to get arrested for anything big. Don't curse at the fans. You know, small stuff. We even understand that 95 percent of the time, they will make career decisions based on money -- we might not love it, but we understand it.

But see, the biggest thing that we ask of our sports stars is this: Take the competition as seriously as we do.

When LeBron James loses to Boston in the playoffs, we want him to take the heat, not take the Heat's offer. We want him to spend the summer adding to his game, calling and texting his teammates, plotting to do better next season.

Instead, well ...

4. "It's about joining forces with the other two guys."

He sounds like a nine-year-old playing Star Wars games with his buddies at a sleepover
. And again: I do believe this Miami team will win a title. But it won't be as easy as he wants it to be. Miami will have the weakest bench of any contender next season After that, the NBA will have a lockout, and the league could eliminate the mid-level exception, which would be Miami's best tool for adding talent.

So this is a cop-out, but it's not as easy of a cop-out as it appears. And that brings us to ...

5. "This is the greatest challenge for me."

LeBron James just jumped into an elevator and wants us to think he can fly. Sorry, but we know better. We know that he did something Michael, Magic, Bird and Bill Russell never would have done. We know he ditched Cleveland for an All-Star team.

But you know what? In Miami, anything short of a title will be a failure. Nobody outside of Miami will root for this team, and nobody in Miami roots for anybody. They're too busy enjoying the weather.

I thought he would stay in Cleveland, because I thought all he cared about was adoration. I was wrong about Cleveland, but he is wrong about adoration. He thinks he'll get it by winning a title. He has insulated himself from the world, surrounded himself with yes men. He has no idea how much backlash he is about to get.

That's one of the great ironies of this -- James is trying to flee pressure, but he will just face more of it. He is trying to maximize his "brand," but he just damaged it.

The first time I watched LeBron James live, I thought he could be the greatest player ever. The sad truth for us, for him, and for the NBA is that he never really believed it himself.
 

great read, and to try to make a point, the Lakers and Kobe lost to the Celtics in 08 so what did Kobe and Gasol do, they played harder and got themselves back to back championships(beating the celtics in the process) with a possible third one coming this next season. and even if lebron does win multiple championships with the Heat, Wade will always have one more then lebron
 
great read, and to try to make a point, the Lakers and Kobe lost to the Celtics in 08 so what did Kobe and Gasol do, they played harder and got themselves back to back championships(beating the celtics in the process) with a possible third one coming this next season. and even if lebron does win multiple championships with the Heat, Wade will always have one more then lebron
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Seriously all this LeBron hate seems to be purely emotional. Yes he left Cleveland, his hometown, and yes he is going to share the spotlight on a team that already has a star and NBA champion. That said, what the heck did Cleveland do to make LeBron want to stay? He asked for help over and over and they brought in Antawn Jamison and an aging Shaq. Come on, this team made no moves during the free agency either and really made no effort to show LeBron they wanted to help him win. They were simply hoping LeBron would stay with them because he was loyal, but guess what, 25 year olds don't really care about loyalty. The Dan Gilbert letter and the burning of his jersey is laughable.
 
Dan Gilbert the cry baby lol. What a drama queen.

Really? He owns a team in a city in deep economic depression with a long history of losing and he's a drama queen. I think it is more like him standing up for himself and the place he lives - which maybe now more than ever needs it.
 
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