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New Doctor Who Figures? (5 inch scale)
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I guess I'm part of your problem then, in that I would prefer even obscure monsters over human likenesses. So long as they keep up the quality that is.
I doubt they have either. I think this is definitely the case. Regardless of whether they will ever do companions or the various Masters which would require likeness rights, they will pop out as many monsters as they can that don't require them first before they get to that stage.
I foresee CO being quite evil about never even bothering to try for anyone elses likeness because they can go so long with just the other monsters without having to, however I am more than willing to be proven wrong.
I guess I'm part of your problem then, in that I would prefer even obscure monsters over human likenesses. So long as they keep up the quality that is.
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Thanks Marc, my Dad's made a lot of furniture in varying scales over the years as it was his trade and he's kept it up as a hobby since he retired.
Hopefully he'll enjoy making the clock enough to consider making at least the basic forms of a 70's TARDIS console and 3 walls for me as I could probably add the smaller details myself.
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Thanks Marc, my Dad's made a lot of furniture in varying scales over the years as it was his trade and he's kept it up as a hobby since he retired.
Hopefully he'll enjoy making the clock enough to consider making at least the basic forms of a 70's TARDIS console and 3 walls for me as I could probably add the smaller details myself.
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I think that for the most part they do make more intresting looking figures but there are some human/humanoid characters that had a lot more visible roles in the show that are more deserving eg,
1.The Master ( Roger Delgado/Anthony Ainley )
2.The Brigadier
3.Certain companions
I think Star Wars fans can rest easy knowing they'll never end up with figures made by CO as they'd inevitably adopt a "no Sith or Jedi" policy
I think that for the most part they do make more intresting looking figures but there are some human/humanoid characters that had a lot more visible roles in the show that are more deserving eg,
1.The Master ( Roger Delgado/Anthony Ainley )
2.The Brigadier
3.Certain companions
I think Star Wars fans can rest easy knowing they'll never end up with figures made by CO as they'd inevitably adopt a "no Sith or Jedi" policy
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I am not sure you still understand though bcm... its the retailers which CO sells their figures to who don't want companions and non-monster aliens.
If this were Star Wars with its megolithic following and CO had the license they wouldn't have a problem because it is no gamble for retailers to make x character because the collecting base is so strong that there is a market for it.
It is correct that we will only get Ainley/Delgado/Companions if an independent retailers steps up and orders them as exclusives - - which also means there would be a price mark up.
I am not sure you still understand though bcm... its the retailers which CO sells their figures to who don't want companions and non-monster aliens.
If this were Star Wars with its megolithic following and CO had the license they wouldn't have a problem because it is no gamble for retailers to make x character because the collecting base is so strong that there is a market for it.
It is correct that we will only get Ainley/Delgado/Companions if an independent retailers steps up and orders them as exclusives - - which also means there would be a price mark up.
Memnoch
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And that's when, as a company, they should stand up to retailers, say stuff it, and do companions as 1 per case. But then that would require them attempting to get the rights, which they don't seem too enthused to do.
And that's when, as a company, they should stand up to retailers, say stuff it, and do companions as 1 per case. But then that would require them attempting to get the rights, which they don't seem too enthused to do.
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You can't tell a retailers to "stuff it". That is where they get their money from. A Soup Nazi approach to toy marketing would not work.
Per the likeness rights if the cost of the likenesses drives production costs up to a point where it isn't viable to sell the figures, what can you do?
You can't tell a retailers to "stuff it". That is where they get their money from. A Soup Nazi approach to toy marketing would not work.
Per the likeness rights if the cost of the likenesses drives production costs up to a point where it isn't viable to sell the figures, what can you do?
Memnoch
Lt. Vulture
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But Marc, do you see retailers dictating to Hasbro what to put in their assortments? Or to Mattel? I just think CO has not managed this line well at all. And it's a shame because I could be spending a lot of cash on these.
But Marc, do you see retailers dictating to Hasbro what to put in their assortments? Or to Mattel? I just think CO has not managed this line well at all. And it's a shame because I could be spending a lot of cash on these.
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No. The reason is simple:
Doctor Who is property of the BBC not George Lucas (a major stock holder in Hasbro). You can't compare a property owned by an arm of the government with toy properties owned by CEOs out to make a buck,
No. The reason is simple:
Doctor Who is property of the BBC not George Lucas (a major stock holder in Hasbro). You can't compare a property owned by an arm of the government with toy properties owned by CEOs out to make a buck,
Memnoch
Lt. Vulture
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So you don't think the line/line up has had ANY faults and that retailers have too much say in the line?
So you don't think the line/line up has had ANY faults and that retailers have too much say in the line?
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Retailers want to fill up their shelf space with product that will MOVE. If they feel it will sit and become a pegwarmer... there it is. Nothing you can do about it. Whether they are right or they are wrong (and of course they have been wrong in the past.. humans are funny that way).
I'm not sure what you mean by the first half of your question.
Retailers want to fill up their shelf space with product that will MOVE. If they feel it will sit and become a pegwarmer... there it is. Nothing you can do about it. Whether they are right or they are wrong (and of course they have been wrong in the past.. humans are funny that way).
I'm not sure what you mean by the first half of your question.
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If you are asking if I think it's a mistake that they don't produce non-monster baddies and companions my answer is "YES!". But I don't have the buying power to make a difference, do I?
If you are asking if I think it's a mistake that they don't produce non-monster baddies and companions my answer is "YES!". But I don't have the buying power to make a difference, do I?
Memnoch
Lt. Vulture
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And that's where I say, pack the "pegwarmers" one per case and fill the extra slot with an army builder already in the wave. It's not that hard. And I'd actually say this line has been mishandled from top to bottom, from the BBC right down to retailers.
And that's where I say, pack the "pegwarmers" one per case and fill the extra slot with an army builder already in the wave. It's not that hard. And I'd actually say this line has been mishandled from top to bottom, from the BBC right down to retailers.
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Well get to work and become a person who makes these decisions which matter so we can get our gosh-darned toys.
(I myself have been very excited about everything coming out... I dunno, maybe I am just easier to please.)
Well get to work and become a person who makes these decisions which matter so we can get our gosh-darned toys.
(I myself have been very excited about everything coming out... I dunno, maybe I am just easier to please.)
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Those were two different sets of skins that would require two different sculpts. And even if that wasn't the case, how would you amortize characters like Jamie and Ace?
The single figure prices would have been nearly as high. You'll note the "cheap" singles are simple repaints. All of the original sculpts were released in two-packs to increase the perceived value for the consumer (which is why the second figure is a tweak or repaint, and the only original monster are three tiny slugs).
You would have paid almost $45 for a single carded Hartnell. It's just the economics of the exclusives, and even that's with issuing a repaint at the same time.
A fair criticism for CO here is they didn't help pay down the tooling costs. They get to reuse the molds for their 11 Doctors box but FP/UG had to pay for all the setups.
The market for specific episode box sets must be incredibly small.
I would love to see companion figures (especially Ace) but from CO's perspective I can understand why it doesn't make mass market commercial sense.
Those were two different sets of skins that would require two different sculpts. And even if that wasn't the case, how would you amortize characters like Jamie and Ace?
The single figure prices would have been nearly as high. You'll note the "cheap" singles are simple repaints. All of the original sculpts were released in two-packs to increase the perceived value for the consumer (which is why the second figure is a tweak or repaint, and the only original monster are three tiny slugs).
You would have paid almost $45 for a single carded Hartnell. It's just the economics of the exclusives, and even that's with issuing a repaint at the same time.
A fair criticism for CO here is they didn't help pay down the tooling costs. They get to reuse the molds for their 11 Doctors box but FP/UG had to pay for all the setups.
The market for specific episode box sets must be incredibly small.
I would love to see companion figures (especially Ace) but from CO's perspective I can understand why it doesn't make mass market commercial sense.
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I wonder about the likeness rights being such an issue in terms of money.
As much loved as they are by us none of the Classic actors are exactly Hollywood A listers so they couldn't realistically expect to get top dollar for the use of their likeness and most of them are still more than happy to be associated with the show via DVD extras, audio plays and the convention circuit so I couldn't see them doing what Billie Piper has done and outright refusing either as they could sell signed figures via their websites and make some extra cash that way.
Which leads me to believe CO don't want to even try to make any of these characters.
Retailers may generally get it right but they've not exactly been dead on with the Doctor Who lines. I bet the Werewolf and Laszlo were seen as dead certs by retailers but they warmed pegs for months over here and the Zygon and Sea Devil stuck around a good while too.
I wonder about the likeness rights being such an issue in terms of money.
As much loved as they are by us none of the Classic actors are exactly Hollywood A listers so they couldn't realistically expect to get top dollar for the use of their likeness and most of them are still more than happy to be associated with the show via DVD extras, audio plays and the convention circuit so I couldn't see them doing what Billie Piper has done and outright refusing either as they could sell signed figures via their websites and make some extra cash that way.
Which leads me to believe CO don't want to even try to make any of these characters.
Retailers may generally get it right but they've not exactly been dead on with the Doctor Who lines. I bet the Werewolf and Laszlo were seen as dead certs by retailers but they warmed pegs for months over here and the Zygon and Sea Devil stuck around a good while too.
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Exactly which is why it would have to be an exclusive. Which brings us back to the retailers responsibility in all this.
Exactly which is why it would have to be an exclusive. Which brings us back to the retailers responsibility in all this.
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The exclusives aren't made for kids. They're aimed at the adult collector market. And the reason it's done that way is because retailers don't believe kids would buy them on the mass market.
FP/UG got those exclusives because mass market retailers declined to carry an action figure of an old man in a suit who died a generation before their core buyers (kids watching the new series) were even born.
The exclusives are a way for us to have our cake and eat it, too. It boggles the mind that some fans can't appreciate that.
...you want to pay $50 for every character? CO were brilliant to market the classic line to kids, because kids are where their millions in profit comes from. It's economy of scale. But there's a limit there. Kids will buy monsters, even if they don't know who they are. It's a Doctor Who monster, innit? I remember doing this when I was a kid with other franchises. My nephews do it today. Monsters are cool. The figures we're getting as exclusives aren't monsters, are they? And the new mass market wave is entirely made up of monsters, isn't it? Do the math.
The exclusives aren't made for kids. They're aimed at the adult collector market. And the reason it's done that way is because retailers don't believe kids would buy them on the mass market.
FP/UG got those exclusives because mass market retailers declined to carry an action figure of an old man in a suit who died a generation before their core buyers (kids watching the new series) were even born.
The exclusives are a way for us to have our cake and eat it, too. It boggles the mind that some fans can't appreciate that.
...you want to pay $50 for every character? CO were brilliant to market the classic line to kids, because kids are where their millions in profit comes from. It's economy of scale. But there's a limit there. Kids will buy monsters, even if they don't know who they are. It's a Doctor Who monster, innit? I remember doing this when I was a kid with other franchises. My nephews do it today. Monsters are cool. The figures we're getting as exclusives aren't monsters, are they? And the new mass market wave is entirely made up of monsters, isn't it? Do the math.
ProgMatinee
circlesendwheretheybegin
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two packs with a companion + an alien seem like a good way to get companions into fan's hands and still sell larger amounts of figures because the kids might be more willing to accept a "boring" character if it was packed with a Dalek varient or a monster.
two packs with a companion + an alien seem like a good way to get companions into fan's hands and still sell larger amounts of figures because the kids might be more willing to accept a "boring" character if it was packed with a Dalek varient or a monster.
Memnoch
Lt. Vulture
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Here's the real problems, as I see them. For one, the BBC is incredibly secretive about upcoming episodes so there's little lead time to do the figures. Also, they are foolish for NOT including likeness in their contracts. Second, CO is just a mess. NO single carded Daleks available at all times? The body for the 10th Doctor is a joke at this point. No companions because they "won't sell"? I promise you, make them 1 per case and they WILL sell. The US market gets treated like garbage at times. Example - POM 4th Doctor. The complete lack of information doesn't help either. We don't find out about a figure until it's release is about 2 weeks away. You can have confirmation from DWM and CO will still play stupid. Then you have the retailer input - I can see them turning down things like the Classic TARDIS and Bessie, things that will take up shelf space, but if they actually have say in what figures come out, well shame on CO.
Here's the real problems, as I see them. For one, the BBC is incredibly secretive about upcoming episodes so there's little lead time to do the figures. Also, they are foolish for NOT including likeness in their contracts. Second, CO is just a mess. NO single carded Daleks available at all times? The body for the 10th Doctor is a joke at this point. No companions because they "won't sell"? I promise you, make them 1 per case and they WILL sell. The US market gets treated like garbage at times. Example - POM 4th Doctor. The complete lack of information doesn't help either. We don't find out about a figure until it's release is about 2 weeks away. You can have confirmation from DWM and CO will still play stupid. Then you have the retailer input - I can see them turning down things like the Classic TARDIS and Bessie, things that will take up shelf space, but if they actually have say in what figures come out, well shame on CO.
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