A lot of the reason Manning was so good was Jeff Saturday. Saturday actually called blitzers out to the O linemen, and more importantly he was known for putting Manning in his place from time-to-time. Manning is a lot of smoke and mirrors, he knew what he wanted to do but faked audibles and did a lot of signal calling at the line to deceive teams. If Denver gives him too much control without a Jeff Saturday type leader to keep him in check, that could be a problem.
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I don't mean to underplay this part of Manning's game--like Marino, Brady, and Brees, Manning was masterful and making little shifts in the pocket to make guys miss. And of course, he did throw the ball quickly. But my wife's a huge Manning fan, meaning I've seen him play way more than I would have cared to on my own. And his O-line was BEASTLY. He didn't need to throw the ball quickly most of the time, because he could sit there for 30 seconds before making a decision most of the time. And defenses would get worn down and winded while the O-line looked fresh through the late parts of the game. I'm not sure he's gonna get that in Denver, but I don't really know much about how good they are. We'll see.
I think sprig also makes a good point about Peyton's ability to deceive defenses. That's another part of why he is so great, and another part of why he doesn't get touched much.
But then who is truly responsible in the eyes of the law, and where do you draw the line? What if the mikes overhear a linebacker coach saying that his defense needs to "take X player out of the game!" and then it happens? Even if it wasn't a bounty situation? Another lawsuit?
Ryan, if anyone here is underestimating anything it's you underestimating the severity of his surgery. I'd much rather have a QB coming back from an ACL tear like Brady had, than a cervical disc fusion like Manning had. The guy's in his mid 30s, didn't play for an entire season and is coming off a injury that stands the best chance of being a QB killer, besides concusions. Any QB his age without those 3 factors is going to have a tough time.
The biggest thing I think is killing the Saints with this bounty thing is that they had paperwork outlining it, like it was some official practice. I guarantee Vilma isn't the first player to put money on the table to knock a QB out of a game, and he sure won't be the last.
iron.jedi83
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since it said he was a huge Broncos fan then i could assume he hates Manning because of all the times Manning knocked the Broncos out of the playoffs in the past. the Broncos were never great at stopping Manning's Colts.
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That won't be the sole reason, or main reason, why he'll fail in DEN -- and what are we really talking about here, really? Failure... means what? Not win a SB?
More important variables will be if they can build an entire OL/develop one that can keep him from sustaining some major shots at his advanced age, something he avoided many years in INdy, but as well... can they surround him with a nice set of weapons and a good ground game? Will the D continue to be very good? Can he continue his high level of play? With obvious age, comes deterioration and he has to avoid that and many other factors.
Look, its a success if he plays and they get sell outs, merchandising is great, and he plays for them for the remainder of the deal and plays decent ball.
It's not fair to expect vintage Manning, but it's fair to say that if they win a div. title or two and get a chance in the post-season, even if they don't ever make a SB, it won't be complete failure.
Your post is a failure.
Darth Cruel
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The article states that the writer of the obituary likely embelished on the story...and that is obvious by reading it in that he says "evidently". It is not like the article comes out and says he offed himself rather than suffer through a Manning Broncos.
Yeah, I don't think the man really died in order to avoid Manning as QB 
but I do bet he wanted something along those lines in his obituary, which is pretty hardcore!
but I do bet he wanted something along those lines in his obituary, which is pretty hardcore!Honestly, I thought that article was pathetic and grasping at air, and surprising because they usually don't post crap like that on NFL.com.
UltraMarknus
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I'm sorry but stating a majority of Manning's success is due to Jeff Saturday is almost vomit inducing. Peyton Manning is a legend and is only being downplayed now because he is changing teams. I have always hated the Broncos (probably because I always thought Elway was a pompous prick and still do) but this is such a epic signing even if he's only got a couple years left. You think you'll hear Dallas Clark's name again if he doesn't go to Denver? You think Jeff Saturday would even be considered as good as he is if not for Peyton Manning? Marvin baby Harrison a possible HOFer without Manning? No, Peyton Manning made players out of warm bodies. He ran the show and always did it with class. The Colts turned their backs on him and they deserve any struggles they encounter for dumping him.
Make no mistake, Denver is a bad team that got hot with Tebow. This is a lot like the Dolphins first year with Sparano. Everything fell into place. If Denver is a playoff team this year...thank Peyton Manning and no one else.
Just my opinion, of course....
I'm sorry but stating a majority of Manning's success is due to Jeff Saturday is almost vomit inducing. Peyton Manning is a legend and is only being downplayed now because he is changing teams. I have always hated the Broncos (probably because I always thought Elway was a pompous prick and still do) but this is such a epic signing even if he's only got a couple years left. You think you'll hear Dallas Clark's name again if he doesn't go to Denver? You think Jeff Saturday would even be considered as good as he is if not for Peyton Manning? Marvin baby Harrison a possible HOFer without Manning? No, Peyton Manning made players out of warm bodies. He ran the show and always did it with class. The Colts turned their backs on him and they deserve any struggles they encounter for dumping him.
Make no mistake, Denver is a bad team that got hot with Tebow. This is a lot like the Dolphins first year with Sparano. Everything fell into place. If Denver is a playoff team this year...thank Peyton Manning and no one else.
Just my opinion, of course....
Ok then, well your opinion is vomit inducing, as well.
ProgMatinee
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I disagree. I say it has to be not just a SB appearance, but an SB win or else this is a complete failure.
Tebow got the team to the second round in essentially his rookie season and made 10x less than Manning. Taking that $20m per year and putting it around Tebow would have pushed the team forward as easily as it would by signing Manning.
No SB will be perceived here in Denver (especially by Tebow fans) as an absolute failure.
Ryanfromindiana
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I think if people really thought Tebow was an answer at quarterback they would have been falling over themselves to get him. He seems like a nice guy though. 
IronLungs31
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Wow! I just love the Broncos! I like some of the players, but I love the team a lot more.
IronLungs31
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I think if people really thought Tebow was an answer at quarterback they would have been falling over themselves to get him. He seems like a nice guy though.
...Thanks! That's the point I've been trying to make. Just because he's a Christian and a nice guy. Doesn't constitute that he should be a starting QB without the skills to hold down the job. I can't stand seeing some of these fans of ours (Broncos) love this guy more than the team. If he was that good why didn't we get at least a 2nd Rd. pick for him. Because he's not that good to start with. PERIOD!I love the team more than the player!
IronLungs31
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I'm sorry but stating a majority of Manning's success is due to Jeff Saturday is almost vomit inducing. Peyton Manning is a legend and is only being downplayed now because he is changing teams. I have always hated the Broncos (probably because I always thought Elway was a pompous prick and still do) but this is such a epic signing even if he's only got a couple years left. You think you'll hear Dallas Clark's name again if he doesn't go to Denver? You think Jeff Saturday would even be considered as good as he is if not for Peyton Manning? Marvin baby Harrison a possible HOFer without Manning? No, Peyton Manning made players out of warm bodies. He ran the show and always did it with class. The Colts turned their backs on him and they deserve any struggles they encounter for dumping him.
Make no mistake, Denver is a bad team that got hot with Tebow. This is a lot like the Dolphins first year with Sparano. Everything fell into place. If Denver is a playoff team this year...thank Peyton Manning and no one else.
Just my opinion, of course....
Looks like this year I'll be rooting for my team against so of these others so called Broncos fans. I have a feeling that some of our own fans want us to fail this year, and that's vomit inducing in itself...
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