NHL 2011-2012 Season

[xjamiex]

Ahh well, i just hope we get Nash for next season.

Jays are pretty hot right now though, i'll be going to a few games this season.

Blue Jackets GM seemed to be keen on moving Nash in the offseason last time I heard, so fingers crossed!

I'm looking forward to going to a bunch of Jays games too, I don't think I've been for a few years now..do they still have Twoonie Tuedays?

 

[risingstar]

Just saw an interesting stat on TSN. In the Bruins' season sweep of the Leafs (6 wins), Seguin scored 7 goals and notched 4 assists while Kessel only had 2 goals an 1 assist. While I'm not intending to imply that Kessel sucks (he doesn't suck), it's quite clear that the Bruins ran away with that trade...

 

[Valfar]

Nah, i think we are happy with what Kessel brings, just compare the yearly stats between both players, Kessel(so far) produces more and he's on a far ____tier team.

It's Seguins second year and he still hasn't matched Kessel's first two years. People thought Kessel's point production would drop once he put on that Leafs jersey and no longer playing with Savard but, thats a load of ____, he's a natural sniper and has become more of a two-way player since last year.

Yea, so glad we got Kessel...

[ame="https://youtu.be/wfxkngPQcmA"]https://youtu.be/wfxkngPQcmA[/ame]

 

[HeadlessGree]

Did I read right Bruins had 6 goals before Toronto had 6 shots?!?!?!?

Also someone needs to send a memo to Komisarek "Stop trying to fight Lucic!" That dude ate a handful of uppercuts last night

 

[HeadlessGree]

Nah, i think we are happy with what Kessel brings, just compare the yearly stats between both players, Kessel(so far) produces more and he's on a far ____tier team.

It's Seguins second year and he still hasn't matched Kessel's first two years. People thought Kessel's point production would drop once he put on that Leafs jersey and no longer playing with Savard but, thats a load of ____, he's a natural sniper and has become more of a two-way player since last year.

Yea, so glad we got Kessel...

https://youtu.be/wfxkngPQcmA

In his first season Seguin put up 15 less points in 8 less games and was +2 better. In his second season he has pretty much matched what Kessel did and is +6 better. No he hasn't matched but he also isn't that far off.

 

[Grenouille]

In his first season Seguin put up 15 less points in 8 less games and was +2 better. In his second season he has pretty much matched what Kessel did and is +6 better. No he hasn't matched but he also isn't that far off.

And when Dougie Hamilton and possibly Jared Knight make the big club, the deal for Kessel could look very bad for old Burkie.

 

[Eli26]

In his first season Seguin put up 15 less points in 8 less games and was +2 better. In his second season he has pretty much matched what Kessel did and is +6 better. No he hasn't matched but he also isn't that far off.

Yeah keep telling yourself that Valfar. It was a bad trade and I much rather have Seguin. OMG! A 20-year-old partying and clubbing is the worst you can find on him... holy ____ing retarded..It's called having fun! I club it up. It's fun dancing with hot girls, you should try it! Oh Seguin, you suck because you party with hot girls. OMG!

Anyway, Seguin hasn't been as good as Kessel his first two years?! In who's mind? Oh yeah, yours. Well the rest of the hockey world disagrees Leaf fan boy! First year they brought him up slowly by giving him minimal bottom six feeder minutes, next-to-no PP time, so what do you expect... This year the kid has been amazing! But apparently scoring 37 points and being a -6 as a sophomore is much better than Seguin's second year where he's prorated to get 67 points and a +33 rating.

So yeah, again you couldn't be more wrong, and then there was the other picks involved in the deal. But keep playing a blind and bias eye Valfar. Next time look up the numbers and the politics behind each players first two seasons before you start throwing out your opinion. Their first two seasons aren't even close.

Seguin >>>> Kessel

And next time you tear a young adult male player, don't use club photos to tear a guy a part. It's called having a life and having a good time. Holy ____.

 

[Eli26]

In his first season Seguin put up 15 less points in 8 less games and was +2 better. In his second season he has pretty much matched what Kessel did and is +6 better. No he hasn't matched but he also isn't that far off.

Matched? Since when was 37 points and a -6 relative to a guy who's on pace for nearly 70 points and owns a plus-29 rating as of now matched? Don't give him that, because you can't. The two are not close to each other. If they were, fine. But you can't when the numbers are worlds apart.

 

[The Craw]

Why do Leafs fans still think every top player that wants a trade is going to Toronto?? Nash won't be going to Toronto. I guarantee it.

 

[HeadlessGree]

wait I'm confused...one person quoted me but his comments were directed to the original poster and now Eli quoted me and I can't tell if he's agreeing or disagreeing with my numbers comparison between Seguin's sophomore year and Kessel's sophomore year. My breakdown was a comparison of the freshman and sophomore seasons of both players and in my eyes the sophomore year of each player is relatively close numbers wise (minus Seguin having a better +/- currently). I wasn't comparing Seguin's sophomore year to Kessel's current year because that wasn't what the original statement said.

 

[Valfar]

Yeah keep telling yourself that Valfar. It was a bad trade and I much rather have Seguin. OMG! A 20-year-old partying and clubbing is the worst you can find on him... holy ____ing retarded..It's called having fun! I club it up. It's fun dancing with hot girls, you should try it! Oh Seguin, you suck because you party with hot girls. OMG!

Anyway, Seguin hasn't been as good as Kessel his first two years?! In who's mind? Oh yeah, yours. Well the rest of the hockey world disagrees Leaf fan boy! First year they brought him up slowly by giving him minimal bottom six feeder minutes, next-to-no PP time, so what do you expect... This year the kid has been amazing! But apparently scoring 37 points and being a -6 as a sophomore is much better than Seguin's second year where he's prorated to get 67 points and a +33 rating.

So yeah, again you couldn't be more wrong, and then there was the other picks involved in the deal. But keep playing a blind and bias eye Valfar. Next time look up the numbers and the politics behind each players first two seasons before you start throwing out your opinion. Their first two seasons aren't even close.

Seguin >>>> Kessel

And next time you tear a young adult male player, don't use club photos to tear a guy a part. It's called having a life and having a good time. Holy ____.

Partying it up like a douche, both him and Marchant...you party like that at clubs Eli?. XD

Yes, i know Seguin still hasn't shown his full potential yet and could be a way better player then Kessel but, only time will tell..also, helps that he's on the/if not the best team in the league. You look at plus/minus and its all Bruins with over +20 and up...so, yea Kessel could be even more lethal on a better team so, for what Kessel has to work with..i tip my hat to him rather then Seguin for now.

Nash had Toronto on the small list of teams he would only go to via trade, i definitely could see why since he is a Brampton boy much like Seguin(whos favorite team growing up was the Leafs) so, the chances are much greater to see a player come our way if a deal can be made.

Though in many cases,most players like staying away from big market teams which i somewhat understand yet find to be cowardess.

If we didn't make that trade, i think the Leafs wouldn't have been any better then they are today(most likely worse), except we would have kept some potential assets but, i don't think Seguin would have had the kind of impact Kessel has had here since the trade, it would be quite a wait to see Seguin post career high numbers on a team like the Leafs.

Only time will tell right?, both are young highly skilled players with many years to go just, one is on a better team currently which obviously is a advantage both in point producing and player development.

 

[Grenouille]

Partying it up like a douche, both him and Marchant...you party like that at clubs Eli?. XD

Jeez aren't you allowed to party like a douche in clubs after winning the Stanley Cup?

 

[Valfar]

Jeez aren't you allowed to party like a douche in clubs after winning the Stanley Cup?

Yea, they're young guys and its understandable, i was more or less poking fun at the typical high sense of self worth jock mentality vs Kessel's chill/laid back style which is another reason why i like having him on our team.

Can't say i'm a fan at all of Brad Marchant to boot.

 

[Eli26]

Partying it up like a douche, both him and Marchant...you party like that at clubs Eli?. XD

Yes, i know Seguin still hasn't shown his full potential yet and could be a way better player then Kessel but, only time will tell..also, helps that he's on the/if not the best team in the league. You look at plus/minus and its all Bruins with over +20 and up...so, yea Kessel could be even more lethal on a better team so, for what Kessel has to work with..i tip my hat to him rather then Seguin for now.

Nash had Toronto on the small list of teams he would only go to via trade, i definitely could see why since he is a Brampton boy much like Seguin(whos favorite team growing up was the Leafs) so, the chances are much greater to see a player come our way if a deal can be made.

Though in many cases,most players like staying away from big market teams which i somewhat understand yet find to be cowardess.

If we didn't make that trade, i think the Leafs wouldn't have been any better then they are today(most likely worse), except we would have kept some potential assets but, i don't think Seguin would have had the kind of impact Kessel has had here since the trade, it would be quite a wait to see Seguin post career high numbers on a team like the Leafs.

Only time will tell right?, both are young highly skilled players with many years to go just, one is on a better team currently which obviously is a advantage both in point producing and player development.

He is 20... and as for Marchant, he's young too. Players will be cocky. It's this generation, the fact they are young, and the fact that it was allowed.. granted the low riding pants and no shirt, is very corny and doesn't sell the game in a good light. But kids will be kids, and that is exactly what he is, is a kid. I am shocked he is able to drink... unless those photos weren't taken in Boston. Either way, if that was Winnipeg and he was 17 and it was found out he was drinking under the legal age limit, the bar here would have to pay a hefty fine. Not sure how it's done over there. btw The legal age limit is 18 where I live.

In the end the facts are as follows:

Seguin was 19 if that was taken right after the Cup win, and we did a lot of eff'ed up things at that age, so don't point the finger and judge. I am sure you got into your fair share of what some would consider douche moments.

Seguin has been the better player of the two (him and Kessel) for the first two years of their careers.

The deal wasn't just Seguin (the 2nd overall pick in 2010) for Kessel.

 

[Eli26]

Jeez aren't you allowed to party like a douche in clubs after winning the Stanley Cup?

Apparently Valfar is perfect and immune from jackassery, granted I don't know if I would consider these pictures proof of that. I just see a fit kid having fun with a bunch of hot girls. Because that's just wrong.

And that deal is going to be hella lopsided once those picks turn into productive NHLers. With Boston's great scouting history, you know that's going to happen. Burkie got ripped off big-time. It was known then, and is apparent now how bad it is. I already like Seguin more and that's not even including the up and coming talent they drafted. No different than when Boston traded Rask away for Raycroft and Pogge. I think that was it. Been a while, but either way. People complained about it then, and had good reason. Rask has been unbelievable! Future top 5 NHL starter! Raycroft is a backup and who knows where Pogge is.

 

[Adrosi]

Partying it up like a douche, both him and Marchant...you party like that at clubs Eli?. XD

Yes, i know Seguin still hasn't shown his full potential yet and could be a way better player then Kessel but, only time will tell..also, helps that he's on the/if not the best team in the league. You look at plus/minus and its all Bruins with over +20 and up...so, yea Kessel could be even more lethal on a better team so, for what Kessel has to work with..i tip my hat to him rather then Seguin for now.

Nash had Toronto on the small list of teams he would only go to via trade, i definitely could see why since he is a Brampton boy much like Seguin(whos favorite team growing up was the Leafs) so, the chances are much greater to see a player come our way if a deal can be made.

Though in many cases,most players like staying away from big market teams which i somewhat understand yet find to be cowardess.

If we didn't make that trade, i think the Leafs wouldn't have been any better then they are today(most likely worse), except we would have kept some potential assets but, i don't think Seguin would have had the kind of impact Kessel has had here since the trade, it would be quite a wait to see Seguin post career high numbers on a team like the Leafs.

Only time will tell right?, both are young highly skilled players with many years to go just, one is on a better team currently which obviously is a advantage both in point producing and player development.

The Leafs don't exist anymore. Folks in T.O. can thank their fundamentalist media for it too. Good luck trying to get the Bruins to swap out Sequin.

How hard do you think Boston still laughs at that Kessel trade?

 

[Eli26]

The Leafs don't exist anymore. Folks in T.O. can thank their fundamentalist media for it too. Good luck trying to get the Bruins to swap out Sequin.

How hard do you think Boston still laughs at that Kessel trade?

I don't know a single person, other than the ignorant Leaf fan that chooses to live in a dream world where that deal was actually fair and even across the board. Kessel is good. I'll give him that, but in the end it's debatable who's better between Kessel and Seguin as it's quite subjective. Both players are young, are highly productive top six players for their teams having great seasons. Both have huge upsides. But the thing Valfar is missing here is there was a lot more involved in that deal. Two 1sts and two 2nds if I am correct. That's a HUGE over payment, especially when you consider one of the picks was a 2nd overall selection.

 

[Eli26]

Yea, they're young guys and its understandable, i was more or less poking fun at the typical high sense of self worth jock mentality vs Kessel's chill/laid back style which is another reason why i like having him on our team.

Can't say i'm a fan at all of Brad Marchant to boot.

Here's the thing, you don't know Phil Kessel. You can't assume what he's like behind closed doors. Aside from the pics you showed us, Tyler Seguin comes off as a laid back respectable kid. In fact most people who party nuts can come off that way, because outside of the bar scene and alcohol, they are good people. Yes, good respectable people have been known to have a crazy side. So don't think you know Phil Kessel so well. After all, like the rest of the hockey stars we only know from observing through interviews, certain functions with fans, and the games we see them play, we don't know them anymore than a stranger walking down a street. We get a very small sampling of them in their work environment, where they are paid big money to act professional. I am just saying, and I highly doubt this, but Kessel could be a real ____ in person outside of the lime light.

I doubt anyone thought OJ Simpson was capable of the things he was.

 

[Valfar]

Wooooooo! you wanna suk our diks!!!...look at ma boi! matching tats! woooooooooohoooo! top of da world!.

Wait a sec now...

Stanley Cup Champians...Champians...XD

 

[KitFisto]

Good God guys. You take this crap WAY too seriously considering none of you play for NHL teams. Fans take this crap more personally than players. Be a fan. Support your team, but the personal insults and fights are a bit ridiculous.

I used to be one who took it way too seriously and just backed away. I still love the game, but in the end it's just that....a game.