NHL 2011-2012 Season

[KitFisto]

Capitals are looking sexy.... Their picks, the trade... the star power. I know I say it every year, but this team should go far. They just need the right coach to get them to see the winning light.

Hardly. We have no wingers at all for our new 2C. Our 3rd and 4th lines are average at best. The defense is still very young and could see Wideman and Green gone ( not that they play defense ).

 

[Grenouille]

$5.25 a year for Wideman. What the hell is in the water in Calgary?

 

[Eli26]

$5.25 a year for Wideman. What the hell is in the water in Calgary?

Agents are no more than lawyers. They are that, lawyers. They are good at arguing and comparing market values. If said dman gets 50 points as a top pairing D and a top pairing D gets around the 5-6 million dollar range, the argument is his client is in the market to make 5.25. If a team like a Calgary, which is starved of good offensive dmen, needs a guy badly enough, they'll unfortunately have to pull the trigger.

It's the market that dictates these salaries. Calgary is just playing into that market. If it wasn't them, it would be some other team.

 

[Grenouille]

I understand what you're saying Eli, but I still see it as a gross overpayment. If Wideman is worth that much, how much will Ryan Suter get?

 

[Eli26]

I understand what you're saying Eli, but I still see it as a gross overpayment. If Wideman is worth that much, how much will Ryan Suter get?

Probably between 6-7 million. And that would be a gross overpayment as well, but big UFAs in high demand go for high dollar. There is a big market for him. I could potentially see his contract get closer to 7 per. Yup. Sad.

Look at every bankable star player in the off season and what they go for the last few Summers. That is why it does not surprise me what Dennis Wideman got. Think James Wisniewski was worth his salary last Summer?

 

[praxitas]

I will agree with the 7 mil on Suter. He's the best UFA defense and there are a lot of teams with a decent amount of cap room especially if the number does go to 71mil or whatever it was projected to be.

Parise will probably be around the same or a bit higher I would imagine.

 

[praxitas]

Oh and if Dennis Friggin Wideman is getting 5mil + a season that gives me lots of hope that we might actually get some kind of "decent" return if we trade Paul Martin

Not saying Wideman is horrible, but I don't think he's a 5mil a season guy. I guess some teams need to overpay in order to get players to agree on a contract.

 

[Eli26]

I will agree with the 7 mil on Suter. He's the best UFA defense and there are a lot of teams with a decent amount of cap room especially if the number does go to 71mil or whatever it was projected to be.

Parise will probably be around the same or a bit higher I would imagine.

In UFA star terms; Zach Parise is this year's Brad Richards. Last year Richards got 7,750,000 per. I think that Parise gets 8 million per. Bank on it! I can pretty much figure out the dollar value per year, just not the extent of the contract term in years. That is hard to gauge, what with all the crazy 9-15 year contracts out there. If I was a GM the most I would sign him to is 6 years, if that. But I would try and hope to get it done in 5. At the end of his contract he'll be 33 (at 5 years), and 34 (at 6). Players tend to start regressing at that age, thus making the salary not logical at that point.

 

[Eli26]

Hardly. We have no wingers at all for our new 2C. Our 3rd and 4th lines are average at best. The defense is still very young and could see Wideman and Green gone ( not that they play defense ).

You still have a dangerous team if given the right direction and leader to take it there. That's just it. It comes down to direction, team discipline and faith. Without those three components, no amount of talent will get you to the Holy land. Having said all of that, the talent and depth is there. Their prospect pool is just as strong as it was several years ago. They just need the right system and believe in it, and themselves. When that all falls into place, watch out!

 

[Eli26]

Oh and if Dennis Friggin Wideman is getting 5mil + a season that gives me lots of hope that we might actually get some kind of "decent" return if we trade Paul Martin

Not saying Wideman is horrible, but I don't think he's a 5mil a season guy. I guess some teams need to overpay in order to get players to agree on a contract.

Anyone knows when it comes to Summer UFAs, you have to spend money. GMs will tell you unfortunately you have to overpay, especially when there are teams competing to sign said player.

Unfortunately for us, Paul Martin is no Dennis Wideman. He's the guy who's a pylon, who no longer chips in offensively. I would rather have Wideman. Another pylon, but at least he can play the PP. lol

 

[bumblebee]

You still have a dangerous team if given the right direction and leader to take it there. That's just it. It comes down to direction, team discipline and faith. Without those three components, no amount of talent will get you to the Holy land. Having said all of that, the talent and depth is there. Their prospect pool is just as strong as it was several years ago. They just need the right system and believe in it, and themselves. When that all falls into place, watch out!

Sounds all well and good but NO team can win with a heartless Captain! I mean he has to ride the bench in playoff games cause he's such a defensive nightmare for his own team.

 

[bumblebee]

Looks like the Pens are giving Sid a ton of money, I wonder what injury provisions are in the deal.

 

[praxitas]

Good to see Sid will retire a Penguin. Pretty awesome of him to not even take a cost of living raise

Now, will that leave enough cash on the table for Parise and sign Malkin next year at this time? And will Malkin still be happy earning as much as 87? Stay tuned

 

[Eli26]

Good to see Sid will retire a Penguin. Pretty awesome of him to not even take a cost of living raise

Now, will that leave enough cash on the table for Parise and sign Malkin next year at this time? And will Malkin still be happy earning as much as 87? Stay tuned

He better be. 104 million for 12 years is more than enough money. Too much money if you ask me. Yes, the market suggests they can make it from stupid previous deals put out my teams and its players like your New Jersey Devils/Kovalchuks. Ugh, but glad he's locked up for the next 12 years. He'll be pretty much 37 when the deal is done.

 

[praxitas]

Lot of money yes, but, he could have easily asked for 10mil/10yr and gotten it. He could have gotten heaps more on the open market. So, long? Yes. Lots of dough? Yes. But, we have the greatest player in the world under our belts.

If he would happened to get dinged along the way I'm sure they can put him on LTIR and save the cap hit. Nothing but a win for Pitt. I'm just worried about Malkin and Letang in the future at this point.

 

[Eli26]

Lot of money yes, but, he could have easily asked for 10mil/10yr and gotten it. He could have gotten heaps more on the open market. So, long? Yes. Lots of dough? Yes. But, we have the greatest player in the world under our belts.

If he would happened to get dinged along the way I'm sure they can put him on LTIR and save the cap hit. Nothing but a win for Pitt. I'm just worried about Malkin and Letang in the future at this point.

My past posts of the way signings work should indicate to you that I indeed get it. I know everything what you say is true and makes sense. Yes, it could have been more, and yes, the open market would have been ugly. Glad it never got to that. Having said that, it's still a lot of money, and the term is still very long for player who has played a combined 63 games for us these past two seasons. Math right there is 31.5 games per season.

With the severity of his injury and the reoccurring nature of it, the contract does seem a bit on the excessive side. But unfortunately, to keep Crosby, this deal had to be done this way. There was no other way. I just feels like no matter what we're in the losing end. If we don't sign him to this contract, we lose him. If we do, which we did, we also risk the potential of years of disappointment if he becomes the Rick DiPietro of forwards. Meaning he gives us a few games here and there each season, but at the end of the day, we just locked up a lot of salary cap space and room on one individual who is sitting on the IR for the next 12 years. That terrifies me. Potential could very well be the possibility/reality. It really is a catch 22 situation with Crosby. Don't get him signed to a monster deal, you lose the best player in the known hockey world. Sign him, and you risk potentially losing him for big stretches of seasons for the next 12 years, IF he plays the next 12 years of his contract. It's a lot of money tied down to one guy with the "Warning!" label.

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

The Kings have agreed to terms with goaltender Jonathan Quick on a 10-year contract extension worth $58 million.

https://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nhl...ear-58-million-deal-goaltender-jonathan-quick

 

[Eli26]

The Kings have agreed to terms with goaltender Jonathan Quick on a 10-year contract extension worth $58 million.

https://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nhl...ear-58-million-deal-goaltender-jonathan-quick

That puts the final nail in the coffin that Jonathan Bernier is the future goaltender for Los Angeles. Not that a Conn Smyth, Stanley Cup, oh and a Vezina calibre season didn't already. lol

 

[Eli26]

I take back about No. 87's contract being a bit excessive. It could have been much MUCH worse. He really did give the Pens the home-town bargain.

Reason:

Sidney Crosby re-ups for 12 more years at the same cap hit of $8.7 million. The deal is a huge relief for the Pens – Crosby took about 60% of what he could have (the max of about $14 million, there are more than a few teams that would have offered it to him next summer).

 

[KitFisto]

If the Pens somehow land Suter and Parise then just hand them the cup now.