NYC Seriously?

[devilof76]

Well, the bank bailout that needed to be done without question was done, pushed for, and approved under a right president, so it's not exclusive here. And not once, but twice.

Not only did I just say that the right followed them down that path (if you can even call George Bush a right wing politician) but the economic philosophy that suggested bailouts were the answer to the problem was the philosophy employed by FDR during the Great Depression. Republicans making leftist moves doesn't make them capitalists, nor does it make their actions capitalist.

There is a place for both. The biggest key is balance. I tend to lean right economically, but we've seen what happens when businesses are left to their own devices. Unlivable wages, child labor, unhealthy working conditions, dangerous products.

This country inherited those problems. It did not cause them, and if you compare pre-capitalist starvation to the uniquely capitalist problems, you'll see a society that watched 85% of it's babies die before their fifth year. None of the alleged salvations of regulation were what solved the problems. Many of them have made things worse.

It's been proven time and again that free market functions will solve any and all problems of the market. Willful distortion of the nature of an unregulated economy has people clinging to the myth that regulation is some kind of feature of the moral high ground.

Point being, the right on its own is Dangerous. Much the same, the left on its own. As a whole people need to stop aligning on the fringes. Less R's and D's and more I's. Right now, people are so entrenched too their "sides" and less concerned on actually solving problems than they are holding to ideologies.

An ideology is a system of ideas. Everyone uses them, including independents. The problem with the ideologies of the Democrat and Republican parties is that they are simply wrong. One is more wrong than the other and to ignore that fact is amoral.

The two real 'sides' are individualism and collectivism. Pick one.

 

[jye4ever]

what's next after large cups of soda?

FU lawmaker

 

[jungle jom]

Wow the last two posts are like night and day.

 

[CelticPredator]

 

[The Ween]

I hate this whole "us against them" bull____ in politics now. There is good and bad on both sides.

 

[The Ween]

Celtic.........sorry buddy, wrong thread. Here ya go....

https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3007

 

[devilof76]

I hate this whole "us against them" bull____ in politics now. There is good and bad on both sides.

Pick. Side. Now.

 

[The Ween]

Pick. Side. Now.

Nope, I prefer the view from here.

 

[devilof76]

Your ass is gonna get splinters.

 

[The Ween]

Your ass is gonna get splinters.

We all must suffer for our choices in life.

 

[devilof76]

I'm going to call you Porcupine Butt from now on.

Porky, for short.

 

[VASith]

More big government regulation from the liberal left that think we're too stupid to make decisions for ourselves.

Vote conservative, personal freedoms along with personal responsibility.

So the person freedoms include banning abortion, euthanasia, minority rights, livable minimum wage? Are these the same people who preach the importance of marriage and are on their fifth marriage..or the commentators who condemn drug use yet are secretly addicted to painkillers. Both sides are offering a carnival and the rubes are lining up.

 

[devilof76]

So are you against individual freedom, or for it?

 

[VASith]

My point is simply, while I disagree with this, irresponsible, moronic citizens have forced the government to do this type of bull____.

Yet another thing nam and I agree on. the same people who bash big government are the first who take no responsibility for themselves and are looking for govt help. These pigs who eat fast food 3 times a day..get no exercise and drink soda like its water are amazed to learn they have health issues. And they want free healthcare while they sit on their fat *****..both parties included. Our county is one of the worst in terms of nutrition and fitness amongst first world countries...can't we do better?

 

[VASith]

So are you against individual freedom, or for it?

I'm for all free decisions. If a woman wants an abortion she should have one. If a 90 year old is dying a painful death he should be allowed to choose euthanasia. If two gay people want to marry let them.

And for the republican party who preaches freedoms..they sure do want to make lots of things illegal...including buying a large soda. Good old Jesse helms didn't want blacks to vote...how silly does that look in the year 2012?

 

[devilof76]

But you don't believe that an employer should be free to choose how much he will pay his employees?

 

[VASith]

But you don't believe that an employer should be free to choose how much he will pay his employees?

Sorry for the delay..took the dog out for a walk before we head into DC for Radiohead concert.

Minimum wage is a sticky thing..on the one hand I say good luck to the employer who wants to pay 10 cents an hour. On the other hand I do think we need a minimum standard of living...but it should be set at the state level and not federal...northern Virginia is not the same as mississippi.

The whole soda thing should not be a red vs blue thing. The obesity and diabetic rates over the past 15 years is shameful for our country. And if anyone thinks having a fat, sick, useless population is good for the country, then more power to you. I'm scared to see what we look like as a nation 20 years from now if these trends continue.

I think the ban is bad and good. Bad for personal freedoms but good for the general health of our country. Our govt has tried the carrot method by telling us how to eat properly and so on. Maybe now it's time for the stick by banning these unhealthy items. Back in the 60s tobacco companies swore that smoking was healthy and even pregnant women should smoke to develope the fetus...how silly does that look in this day and age. Maybe 15 years from now people will be astonished that someone wanted to drink 2 gallons of sugar syrup daily.

 

[devilof76]

The fact of the matter is that the government doesn't own its citizens. Our health is none of their business. We are not a resource that must be maintained for the achievement of their purposes and desires.

Or are we?

 

[VASith]

The fact of the matter is that the government doesn't own its citizens. Our health is none of their business. We are not a resource that must be maintained for the achievement of their purposes and desires.

Or are we?

Our health is their business if they are paying the bills. Have we sunk so low as a nation that we are upset by banning 2 gallon sodas?

F@ ck me...maybe I expect more from our generation than to cry about something like this. Gotta think there are more important things in this country and abroad.

Our grandparent's generation who lived through the great depression would be ashamed of us...they wanted to land on the moon..we want to drink our soda pop. F$cking pathetic.

But to those who oppose this ban..get diabetes and want the govt to pay for all your bills...im not paying for your irresponsibility. Have fun being a 400 pound load asking for handouts while you complain how the country is run.

Go eat at McDonald's 5 times a day...get no exercise..smoke and sit on your fat ass. Don't come crying to me when you learn it's unhealthy and need govt help to get your diabetes under controll.

 

[thenammagazine]

Sorry for the delay..took the dog out for a walk before we head into DC for Radiohead concert.

Minimum wage is a sticky thing..on the one hand I say good luck to the employer who wants to pay 10 cents an hour. On the other hand I do think we need a minimum standard of living...but it should be set at the state level and not federal...northern Virginia is not the same as mississippi.

The problems with increasing minimum wage is it's entirely redundant. While those working jobs that pay out minimum wage want more money, every single time California has increased it's minimum wage, the cost of living went up; rent, food, etc. Then they pine for another increase, and guess what? Same ____. Cost of living goes up. So while those getting paid minimum wage continually get increases, the rest who get paid above minimum wage, see no increase as their employers are dedicating profits to cover the bottom line increase, but see their own cost of living increase. It's a vicious cycle that really doesn't get anywhere. Honestly, if someone doesn't like minimum wage, instead of demanding that wage be increased, get off their ***** and work harder to move up in their chosen profession, or find better employment.