Official Carnotaurus Maquette Picture Thread

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

I saw at the IMAX at Myrtle Beah last year...no clue if they still have it or not though..I think they have a website you can try.

 

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

I wish that Disney had listened to Ricardo Delgado and gone with his notion of having the herbivore herd cross an estuary, where many would have been dragged beneath the surface and consumed by Tylosaurs. I would have loved that scene added in. The movie would have been quite enjoyable sans the speaking, the lemurs, and the Iguanodon lips. I understand why the creators thought they needed those aspects, but the film could have been rearranged to work without them; only difference then is that it wouldn't have landed as well among children, probably. Other than those angles, the movie was rather bleak and visceral for the most part. The Carnotaurs hauling live dinosaurs away from the herd, often consuming them on-camera; the Velociraptors raking their claws into the main character and attempting to gouge out chunks of flesh with their teeth; herbivores gradually dying of thirst and heat stroke as they search for their collective nesting grounds. Much of it was rather enjoyable in that regard. But I won't even bother to justify what many have already rightly pointed out to be its flaws.

I couldn't agree more. The Carnotaurus is a welcome addition to my collection, and of all theropod dinosaurs, it is one of the most bizarre and concurrently fascinating.

Delgado wasn't the only one campaigning for that scene...several articles in PT described it..and if you have the Special Edition version it has the whole scene in roughs with audio...would have been pretty cool looking. There is also a ton of artwork on there..even the cg Mosasaur...it looks pretty close to the little figure they released. Disney really should have used more Delgado's work..it's a shame he seems to have disappeared from the paleo-artist community. Agreed an all aspects regarding the Carnotaurs...they were full of detail and vicious...they really should have made it into the JP films as well at some point.

 

[Scar]

I didn't know the horns had been assigned an offensive value; what evidence is this based on?

The attrition tactics do seem likely, though. This is similar to what has been suggested for Allosaurus, which could open its jaws very widely and take repeated bites out of larger prey, possibly to wear it down, or possibly to feed on whatever it could rip off, allowing the animal to heal so that it could be used for later feeding. This is different from the massive jaws of a tyrannosaur, which rather than slashing quickly through, would punch right into the flesh and bone. Then you've got the conical teeth of piscivorous spinosaurids, but that's a whole other ball game.

Mazzetta first postulated the offensive theory, and based on extant models with corneous horned organisms, the theory has held ground. Also, the T.rex jaws also fit the exact same model for quick, decisive bites. Difference is that it also has the strength to compliment that feature. It's a lot of cranial specialization on a very cool level, and it demonstrates how the two organisms responded differently to coevolution with their specific prey items, but still share that similar feature.

Speaking of Tylosaurs, I hope SS will consider making one of these giant reptiles of the prehistoric sea for the Dinosauria line.

A mosasaur and/or pliosaur would be awesome additions to the line. I will continue to hold out hope for them as well.

Also, I think a Tylosaurus scene like that would have been way too scary for the kids. The concept of a huge, serpentine sea monster lurking beneath the water is really the stuff of nightmares. I'll stick to my Carnegie Tylosaurus, thank you very much.

Bah, I fell in love with JAWS at the age of three as my favorite film and have been fascinated with marine predators ever since. If some kids can't handle it, then I say the movie is at least catering to the right kids. Just my opinion, but then I have no part in Disney marketing. Kids could handle the violence already in Dinosaur, which, particularly in the dusk and cave attack scenes by the Carnotaurs, was quite brutal. Hell, the movie starts out with a Carnotaurus lurking just within the foliage before attacking the herd. Entering the ocean is entering another ecosystem, no different from wandering playfully into a tropical jungle.

Oh yeah, I never got a chance to see that. It's still playing, though?

I recommend you Netflix the Blu-ray if you have Netflix and a BLu-ray player. It's enjoyable. Definitely a children's film, but the creatures in it are rendered extraordinarily well.

Delgado wasn't the only one campaigning for that scene...several articles in PT described it..and if you have the Special Edition version it has the whole scene in roughs with audio...would have been pretty cool looking. There is also a ton of artwork on there..even the cg Mosasaur...it looks pretty close to the little figure they released. Disney really should have used more Delgado's work..it's a shame he seems to have disappeared from the paleo-artist community. Agreed an all aspects regarding the Carnotaurs...they were full of detail and vicious...they really should have made it into the JP films as well at some point.

I only ever saw one PT article describing the scenes and with attached artwork in all the years I've been getting PT. Still, I'll have to check out the additional artwork, take some screenshots.

Delgado hasn't disappeared at all, it's just that you have to know where to get his work and when, since he tends to publish it himself in limited numbers and not release it online save through Stuart NG Books for purchase. I have a few of his sketchbooks released over the past five years or so and which are no longer available, and they contain a glut of paleoart. He is more than a touch bitter about how the Disney film turned out, and rightfully so, as he championed the voiceless notion of the characters and a lot of cool scenes and character concepts which never made it to the final cut. "Scariness" be damned, the movie could have been vastly improved. I'm definitely going to check out those extras! :chew

 

[Scar]

Also, as for Carnotaurs in JP films, I sincerely hope they do address them at some point, if a sequel is done. Their scenes in the TLW novel were outstanding and truly dramatic. It'd be cool to see the chromatophore angle, making the Carnotaurus the JP equivalent of a chameleon from hell.

 

[dansdinosaurs]

Wow, I just might have to get that Special Edition DVD. I never thought I'd let that movie into my home, though. Freakin' lemurs, geh.

Chameleon from hell? Psh. They were scaredy-cats. But I rather prefer that, as the films tend to make the animals into aggressive monsters, with no timidity whatsoever. Remember how the Rex was "shy" and would "sunburn easily"?

 

[toystales]

I was cleaning my bookshelves and came upon the Dec 2007 issue of the National Geographic Magazine. Guess what? They have an article on Dinosaurs and the article came with a double-sided pull-out poster featuring Dinosaurs. And the Carnotauraus was actually featured in the article as well as the poster.

 

[toystales]

Oh yeah, I never got a chance to see that. It's still playing, though?

I watched the "Sea Monster" movie at the local IMAX cinema on Wednesday. Not much advertisement done for it locally and I would have missed it if I had not taken a wrong turn while driving last weekend and chanced upon a huge replica of the Tylosauraus at the entrance to the cinema.

 

[Scar]

Chameleon from hell? Psh. They were scaredy-cats. But I rather prefer that, as the films tend to make the animals into aggressive monsters, with no timidity whatsoever. Remember how the Rex was "shy" and would "sunburn easily"?

No, they were used to adaptive circumstances, hunting within the dense foliage and utilizing light-reflecting cells to help blend into their surroundings and break up their body patterns. It wasn't fear but the acknowledgement that they no longer had the advantage in the hunt that confused them and forced them away. You see the exact same behavior among practically every extant predator which relies upon ambush; when it stands revealed to its desired prey, it will leave the scene, reassess, and search elsewhere. They relied upon chromatophores and lying in wait to snag unsuspecting prey. When the prey confused their cryptic coloration, they were forced to reassess their tactics and retreat into the undergrowth, again regaining their advantage and awaiting new potential victims. You'll recall that the Carnotaurs were such efficient night hunters in the novel through utilization of their unique camouflage and efficient tactics, that their territory eclipsed a large portion of Velociraptor territory from dusk until dawn. It speaks a great deal that the Velociraptors, long neurologically impacted by prions, would still respect those territorial boundaries, alluding to a great ferocity of the Carnotaurs while in their hunting element. I don't think Diego would have argued that point, either.

 

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

lol, I'm sure he wouldn't... ;D

The Carnotaurs were really pretty intelligent..add to that the fact they were hunting in pairs and that super-chameleon ability...that would have been right up Stan's alley.

Dan, if you can't find Sea Monsters playing anywhere it is available on dvd... I picked up a copy for about 15.00.. looks best a big widescreen though. I never got to see the other one.. DINOSAURS or something.. I think it had a Giganotosaurus in it.

I only ever saw one PT article describing the scenes and with attached artwork in all the years I've been getting PT. Still, I'll have to check out the additional artwork, take some screenshots.

Delgado hasn't disappeared at all, it's just that you have to know where to get his work and when, since he tends to publish it himself in limited numbers and not release it online save through Stuart NG Books for purchase. I have a few of his sketchbooks released over the past five years or so and which are no longer available, and they contain a glut of paleoart. He is more than a touch bitter about how the Disney film turned out, and rightfully so, as he championed the voiceless notion of the characters and a lot of cool scenes and character concepts which never made it to the final cut. "Scariness" be damned, the movie could have been vastly improved. I'm definitely going to check out those extras!

I can't remember what issue it was..there was one older issue and I htink one of the newer ones touched on it... maybe while Krentz was talking about a new Dino film he and several others are heading up. Wish I could take some screenshots..my comp doesn't want to play dvds anymore for some reason... :/

I've been looking for signs of him in PT and online but couldn't find anything anywhere. I figured he would have some sort of website or fansite. I know he was also working on A Sound of Thunder when it was still in the concept stage and the final result..well..it was bad really. When I saw his concept pics in PT I really thought we had another major dino film on our hands...but it might as well had never been made..like Raptor Red.. SO I can see how he feels that way ... even the work he did for Tristar's Godzilla...talk about a missed oppertunity..the design was 100% better than what actually came out.

 

[dansdinosaurs]

Yeah, it was.. a joke. Who was Diego again, Levine's escort?

Blade, did you see Sepp's Cryolophosaurus in the latest issue? I saw it on her deviantart page, where Luis made some silly remark about an illustration that thousands of readers are now gawking over. LoL.

 

[Scar]

Yeah, it was.. a joke. Who was Diego again, Levine's escort?

Blade, did you see Sepp's Cryolophosaurus in the latest issue? I saw it on her deviantart page, where Luis made some silly remark about an illustration that thousands of readers are now gawking over. LoL.

Diego was Levine's escort to the island who was brutally slain shortly after they set foot inside the foliage. Also, with the T.rex the sunburn and "shyness" never really annoyed me. I assumed Crichton was establishing T.rex as having evolved as an ambush predator, spending most of its time deep within the forest or just on the periphery, lunging out only to attack prey and drag it back beneath the canopy to be subsequently killed and devoured. Quite well-played.

To which Cryolophosaurus illustration are you referring? There were quite a few sterling ones in the latest issue, but Pastori's remains my favorite, as is usually the case. Another piece that I liked quite a bit was the Leesichthys being pursued by a curious, and presumable hungry, pliosaur. Now THAT is a diorama I would like to see! That, and as I've been saying, another cool aquatic diorama would be a Megalodon driving its maw hard into the belly of a large baleen whale, or sawing off the fluke or pectoral fin in a single, crushing bite.

 

[Boba Ben]

I just opened my Carnotaurus maquette and wanted to say that I'm totally blown away. It's just so impressive and the detail is incredible. The fact that Carnotaurus is my favorite dinosaur makes it even more satisfying for me.

I have to have the Tyrannosaurus Rex as well now!

 

[PRTCLR]

Hello there, I was wondering about the Dinosauria line and, what do you guys think about dinosaur busts, don't get me wrong I love the dinosaurs as a whole but I think bust we be kind of cool. They could make moer detail to their facial features, gives you more room space lastly they could have a more variety of dinosaurs sculpted which I am pretty sure we will never get in this line. Any thoughts?

 

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Busts would be interesting...but they def need to be larger for me and of course that means more costly... :/

 

[dansdinosaurs]

Well, the Deinosuchus is sort of a bust. The fact that it's a hadrosaur in her jaws really conveys the awesome size of the reptile, as we know some hadrosaurs were among the largest herbivores in their ecosystem.

It's interesting, I never thought Diego fell victim to a Carnotaurus. I just assumed it was a Velociraptor, but maybe I'll have to re-read that scene again.

The Cryolophosaurus I'm referring to was the one covered in white down, by Lisa Ommert. She's the featured artist for Dan's Dinosaurs. I've got a bunch of her artwork, it's gorgeous.

 

[Agent0028]

I'm personally not interested in busts.

 

[Scar]

Well, the Deinosuchus is sort of a bust. The fact that it's a hadrosaur in her jaws really conveys the awesome size of the reptile, as we know some hadrosaurs were among the largest herbivores in their ecosystem.

It's interesting, I never thought Diego fell victim to a Carnotaurus. I just assumed it was a Velociraptor, but maybe I'll have to re-read that scene again.

The Cryolophosaurus I'm referring to was the one covered in white down, by Lisa Ommert. She's the featured artist for Dan's Dinosaurs. I've got a bunch of her artwork, it's gorgeous.

Levine pieced it together, much to his horror, as he watched the Carnotaurs stalk Thorne. Their ability to blend in seamlessly with their surroundings, and suddenly appearing in the moment of attack only to visually dematerialize again, is the feature that brought all of the pieces of the puzzle to bear for Levine. A very cool scene.

Ah, a very nice and expressive Cryolophosaurus. Not a personal favorite in terms of a plausible rendering of the animal, but it is most definitely beautiful; the pose and coloration really make it pop, so to speak, without losing any detail.

 

[dansdinosaurs]

Hm, that would have been a cool scene for the film. Shoot.

Sepp's always trying to improve her work, so let me know what you'd change to make it better and I can pass the word on to her.

 

[Scar]

Hm, that would have been a cool scene for the film. Shoot.

Sepp's always trying to improve her work, so let me know what you'd change to make it better and I can pass the word on to her.

Oh, I wouldn't say she should change her style. The full-feathered approach just isn't a preference of mine, but her technique has an elegance, beauty, and wonderful use of color.

 

[dansdinosaurs]

Ah. Well yes, she is a fan of the fuzzy theropods, but most of them don't look like that. I think she submitted that one because the Cryo happened to the featured species of the issue. Next quarter is Brachiosaurus. Hopefully I won't get shot for revealing that.

I haven't received my replacement Carno yet, actually. Not sure why I'm complaining, because I'm going to have to start storing these statues in the bathroom pretty soon.