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your posts just put everybody to sleep :rotfl

If there was actual information in there that had any truth to it or you could actually gain something from then it would be worth reading. All, I read is probably someone in the 18-25 range with no life experience trying to tell the rest of us how things should be.
 
The reason why we shouldn't pay them to teach kids is because it is a slippery slope to people being irresponsible parents, because they are lulled into believing that they don't need to be as involved with their children's lives as they should. No schoolteacher can make up for irresponsible parenting, and that is exactly what parents sending their children to school leads to.

A mother contributes to society infinitely more by properly raising her children and teaching them at home than she does by working. Responsible parenting IS contributing to society. In fact it is difficult to imagine anything that contributes to it more or has a worse effect on society if that role is ignored.
The school system is a relatively new invention in the course of human history and quite frankly, I think it has not delivered on what it promised.

And you've just proven why you have absolutely no clue what a good educator does.

A world is made up of individuals-- Those individuals who succeed and are contributing members of society, more often than not, have had strong role models-- most of the time those role models happen to be teachers. By your formula Kim Kardashian and Little Wayne make more of a positive impact on the world than I do due to the sheer volume of people who see their flickering image or hear their squeek... Kim. Kardashian.
 
Of course it teaches you to be obediant to the system. Why are you acting like there is something wrong with that?
We don't live in a society in which everyone gets to find a sense of self-actualization in thier career. We live in one in which you come into a job that you most likely hate day after day and work your ass off to provide for you and your family. The world is not going to go out of its way for everyone to make sure they are happy and comfortable with thier lifestyle.
Either you learn to fit into the society that actually exists, or you most likely end up poor or in prison.


First of all, how do you expect to pay for this system?

Second of all, the Waldorf design is horrible. Kids are stupid and don't know what the hell they need. Give them the chance and they will play all day. How exactly do you plan on any of these kids learning math, english, or civics when they do not have the childhood background for secondary education?

Thirdly, even as people get older, this school system teaches people to "follow thier own destiny", which is a huge problem. If people spent thier whole lives being taught that they are entitled to thier dream job, you are going to get an entire generation entering the workforce trained as artists, actors, and writers (very few of whom will be successful in those careers); and none with the skills to do the boring jobs that are actually needed for society to function.
You think anyone really dreams of working in a factory, or an office cubicle?

When exactly did employment go from a means of providing for yourself, to a passionate hobby you feel entitled to get paid for? You dont need to like your job. You just need to have one.

Blind obedience to the system is not good if you want a healthy society. People thinking for themselves and using good judgment is.
Total blind obedience to the system leads to fascism.


People go to monotonous jobs because the system conditions people to be monotonous, and lacking in individual creativity and personal creative input. The school system is responsible for that.

Paying for the system would be done the same way that the existing school system is paid for, unless there is a better way.
Kids are stupid because of the Waldorf school? People are stupid because of public schools. If kids don't want to learn, they will always find a way, regardless of what type of school it is. I doubt that the percentage of stupid kids coming out of the Waldorf schools is as great as it is coming out of public schools.

If people want their dream jobs, then they will need to start out learning the skill set for those jobs as children, because those jobs require TALENT, and talent must be developed over time if it is to be significant.
If a person starts out figuring out what they want to do as children (Which is what every person should be doing in the first place, and they would if the school system didn't turn people into such mindless robots who are intended to be nothing more than workers for almost any relatively meaningless job that requires no individual creative input or independent thought) then people would know if they had any real talent at something early on, and know whether it was worth pursuing at all, or if they should do something else.

If you want to really be a success and shine in this world, then you must be capable of creativity or independent thought, and the school system discourages this. The school system encourages mediocrity, which is one of the biggest flaws.

To succeed, you must have skill at something, and to have skill at something, you must practice it. To get yourself to practice something, you must like it. Very few people can become successful doing what they hate. Of course, if you don't want to be successful, and to be mediocre is enough, then the public school system is for YOU!

Tired of those creative inclinations and individual thoughts? Just go to public school, and they will destroy all of that individuality to the point at which you become as mediocre as they come. You become a regular Joe six pack. You don't like your job, or your life, but you don't feel like changing it, because you are so used to being mediocre and acting like everyone else and toeing the line, being obedient to the system,and so you suffer with this situation.
You feel stressed because of it, yet you don't feel empowered enough to do anything about it, which you have public school to thank for, so you self-medicate with alcohol, cigarettes or drugs to numb the pain. You don't feel motivated to rise above, so you are content to watch other people live the way you would like and do the things you would like to be able to do, but can't because you are too accepting of the status quo, which you have the school system to thank for.

You watch other people play basketball on TV because you don't have it in you to play yourself. You watch lots of TV like reality shows that feature people that have worse lives than you which makes you feel better about your own mediocre existence by comparison. The school system is thought control, as Pink Floyd once said. I said "you" before in the general sense, and not necessarily to you specifically, but then I do believe you have accepted the system as it is enough that some of that could be true.

There is nothing wrong with having a job that you like. There is nothing wrong with wanting one either. The only way you can expect one is after years of practice in developing your skills. Most people never seek to develop any particular skill above the norm, because, you guessed it, the school system conditions people into liking mediocrity. This is why very few people read anything.
 
There is nothing wrong with having a job that you like. There is nothing wrong with wanting one either. The only way you can expect one is after years of practice in developing your skills. Most people never seek to develop any particular skill above the norm, because, you guessed it, the school system conditions people into liking mediocrity. This is why very few people read anything.

You keep treating a job as entertainment or a hobby, which it is not. A job is not supposed to be your life. It is a service you offer people in order to pay for your life.
There is nothing wrong with liking your job. But it is a problem to teach kids that they need to like thier job, and that only a job they can feel self-actualized in is worth doing.
The truth is that 95% of the people out there are not going to have thier dream jobs. And quite frankly that is the way it should be. No one dreams of boring unfufilling careers that make up almost the entire job market, but we still need people to do them to make the world run. If the world ran your way it would be filthy unless you can find a bunch of kids that always dreamed of being janitors or garbagemen.
Settling for a boring job is not mediocrity, it is reality. You accept it if you want to live.
Not everyone has the natural talent, persistance, or pure luck needed to accomplish what they have always dreamed of. Encouraging children to follow those dreams regardless of practicality is dumb. More kids following thier dreams does not mean more people with thier dream careers, it means more unemployed losers holding out for a fairy tale that isnt going to happen. We are just going to have a country full of out of work actors and athletes contributing nothing to the world.

School teaches kids to mold themselves to fit into the world. You want the world to mold itself to fit kids' unrealitic fantasies.
 
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You keep treating a job as entertainment or a hobby, which it is not. A job is not supposed to be your life. It is a service you offer people in order to pay for your life.
There is nothing wrong with liking your job. But it is a problem to teach kids that they need to like thier job, and that only a job they can feel self-actualized in is worth doing.
The truth is that 95% of the people out there are not going to have thier dream jobs. And you know what, there is nothing wrong with that. No one dreams of those boring unfufilling careers, but we still need people to do them to make the world run.
Not everyone has the talent, ability, or pure luck needed to accomplish what they have always dreamed of. Encouraging children to follow those dreams regardless of practicality is dumb. We are just going to have a bunch more out of work actors and athletes draining the economy.

School teaches kids to mold themselves to fit into the world. You want the world to mold itself to fit these kids.

:goodpost::exactly: The sense of entitlement that has permeated our society, including our education system, does kids no favours. This idea that every child has the capacity to be whatever they dream to be promotes that entitlement by focusing on the end goal of a child's aspirations without nurturing the development of the tools and skills required to get there. In effect entitlement diminishes the value of hard work and effort.

Without for a second denigrating those who perform the more menial but essential roles in our society, I don't want those flying the plane in which I am travelling, or operating at the table on which I am anesthetized, or designing the bridge upon which I am driving just to have got there because of a sense of entitlement.
 
And you've just proven why you have absolutely no clue what a good educator does.

A world is made up of individuals-- Those individuals who succeed and are contributing members of society, more often than not, have had strong role models-- most of the time those role models happen to be teachers. By your formula Kim Kardashian and Little Wayne make more of a positive impact on the world than I do due to the sheer volume of people who see their flickering image or hear their squeek... Kim. Kardashian.

No educator can totally make up for bad parenting. They can succeed to some point, but they can never do as good a job as the parents could.

I can't even imagine having a teacher a a role model. I don't look up to anyone who makes such a piddly salary who gives me such aggravation who acts like they know what's best for me when they don't even know me. They have the arrogance to believe that they don't have to know me, because I should just do whatever they say like a sheep. I liked a few teachers, but I would never look up to someone who makes a living controlling peoples thoughts and doesn't even make much money doing it. Absolutely no way. I never even considered it. I appreciate the fact that garbagemen take away my garbage and my gardener cuts my grass, and I liked my gardener, and my poolman, and I liked some of my teachers but I didn't ADMIRE them. I admire Anthony Robbins, because he's an impressive teacher. He is also very rich and deservedly so. I don't admire city employees. I admire artists and athletes and anyone else who makes their own path, with self determination. I admire self made people most.

As far as Kim Kardashian having a more positive impact on society than some teachers, maybe so, and the reason why is because some teachers are so unremarkable in their approaches and so alike each other that you could easily replace them and it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference, because they are all so conditioned to be mediocre and advocate a mediocre system. Plus, Kim Kardashian is nicer to look at.:) On the other hand, there are a few remarkable teachers who obviously do it because they want to help people be their best, and those you can't replace. Those are very rare. Kim Kardashian does have a GREATER impact on society than even those teachers, but I wouldn't say it was a more positive one.

As far as role models, people tend to admire people who they view as the most successful doing the things that they admire most. I can't admire someone who does a job that shouldn't exist in the first place, because the parents should be doing it. Furthermore, I think that the world's greatest people in history didn't go to public school, because they lived before it was invented. Yes, many were schooled, but not in public school. They weren't conditioned to be like everyone else like public school does now. Leonardo Da Vinci didn't go to public school. If he was born today, he would have a lot of his creativity discouraged right out of him. So many great people were made because of individualized schooling like him, and because of the public school, we probably will never see someone like him again.
 
I'm 41. Ive been around twice as long as you think.

And out of a classroom for at least 20 years-- and yet you have a better grasp of what education is all about than those of us who have taught for the last 15+ years?...
 
No educator can totally make up for bad parenting. They can succeed to some point, but they can never do as good a job as the parents could.

I can't even imagine having a teacher a a role model. I don't look up to anyone who makes such a piddly salary who gives me such aggravation who acts like they know what's best for me when they don't even know me. They have the arrogance to believe that they don't have to know me, because I should just do whatever they say like a sheep. I liked a few teachers, but I would never look up to someone who makes a living controlling peoples thoughts and doesn't even make much money doing it. Absolutely no way. I never even considered it. I appreciate the fact that garbagemen take away my garbage and my gardener cuts my grass, and I liked my gardener, and my poolman, and I liked some of my teachers but I didn't ADMIRE them. I admire Anthony Robbins, because he's an impressive teacher. He is also very rich and deservedly so. I don't admire city employees. I admire artists and athletes and anyone else who makes their own path, with self determination. I admire self made people most.As far as Kim Kardashian having a more positive impact on society than some teachers, maybe so, and the reason why is because some teachers are so unremarkable in their approaches and so alike each other that you could easily replace them and it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference, because they are all so conditioned to be mediocre and advocate a mediocre system. Plus, Kim Kardashian is nicer to look at.:) On the other hand, there are a few remarkable teachers who obviously do it because they want to help people be their best, and those you can't replace. Those are very rare. Kim Kardashian does have a GREATER impact on society than even those teachers, but I wouldn't say it was a more positive one.

As far as role models, people tend to admire people who they view as the most successful doing the things that they admire most. I can't admire someone who does a job that shouldn't exist in the first place, because the parents should be doing it. Furthermore, I think that the world's greatest people in history didn't go to public school, because they lived before it was invented. Yes, many were schooled, but not in public school. They weren't conditioned to be like everyone else like public school does now. Leonardo Da Vinci didn't go to public school. If he was born today, he would have a lot of his creativity discouraged right out of him. So many great people were made because of individualized schooling like him, and because of the public school, we probably will never see someone like him again.

Wow... :thud:

I just honestly feel sorry for you. Wow. Best of luck in all of your future endeavours.

Wow.
 
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I would say so too, except having been a political science major, I am sorry to say that I have met many people just like this.
People who demand a "complete overhaul of the system" without any regard to the rules of a functioning society or human nature (let alone practicality), simply for the sake of preserving people's sense of well being. All without really offering any kind of alternative to the problem they claim must be fixed.

There is always one of these in every class discussion, and this person's rants are usually responsible for the class going 30 minutes longer than expected.
 
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Seems most of us, save for the two paste eaters with IQs of 78, have a basic concept of the issues addressed in the OP. Trying to explain the POV, let alone the basic structure of the educational system to them seems like it's about as effective as trying to start a fire with a wet book of matches. :lol
 
I think it's just about obvious at this point that given your flawed value system your view of teachers is simply deflection for your inability to realize you're a product of poor parenting. I don't mean that to be insulting, it's just a general observation. Your complete lack of respect for authority shows this. Nobody says you have to agree with them, but failing to show them respect, well, again, no value system.
 
It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.


(Macbeth, V.v. ln. 26-28)
 
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