PC or MAC?

[Something Sexy]

Don't most Apple computers now use the same exact parts most other computer brands use now? I don't keep up much with Apple ____ but they switched over to Intel based machines like 5 or 6 years ago. I cannot imagine the internals of those machines is much different anymore. So the reliability is some what of a joke to me between a Apple laptop and a high end HP or ASUS.

 

[BadMoon]

Don't most Apple computers now use the same exact parts most other computer brands use now? I don't keep up much with Apple ____ but they switched over to Intel based machines like 5 or 6 years ago. I cannot imagine the internals of those machines is much different anymore. So the reliability is some what of a joke to me between a Apple laptop and a high end HP or ASUS.

The difference is all components that are used are hand picked by Apple to again simply work. You know what you are getting. To compare an apple product to an asus product is the bigger joke IMO.

 

[Something Sexy]

The difference is all components that are used are hand picked by Apple to again simply work. You know what you are getting. To compare an apple product to an asus product is the bigger joke IMO.

So you don't think high end models of ASUS and Alienware and whatever other company is out there, cannot compare to an Apple computer?

You don't think Apple doesn't cut corners on components to keep their profits up? That is a joke.

 

[KitFisto]

Don't worry.....Badmoon is just on Apple's jock until the next big thing comes out. He bought his very first Apple computer about 6 months to a year ago. He gets all fired up about whatever he gets and then gets bored with it eventually. You should see him with video games

 

[BadMoon]

It's been about 2 years now douche.

 

[BadMoon]

So you don't think high end models of ASUS and Alienware and whatever other company is out there, cannot compare to an Apple computer?

You don't think Apple doesn't cut corners on components to keep their profits up? That is a joke.

No I don't think Apple cuts corners. Plus the main argument is Macs are too expensive right? So now you want to compare a $2500 alienware to an $1100 Mac?

A Mac to me is a BMW. A PC is like a ford focus. You get what you pay for.

 

[Something Sexy]

No I don't think Apple cuts corners. Plus the main argument is Macs are too expensive right? So now you want to compare a $2500 alienware to an $1100 Mac?

A Mac to me is a BMW. A PC is like a ford focus. You get what you pay for.

I never stated a price, I just mentioned computer making companies. You get the same parts, trust me. The use the same Intel processors in any prefab computer out there. They use ATI graphics cards, which again you can get in any PC. I am sure the RAM they use is some cheap-o RAM they toss in there since it seems pretty hard to find the exact type (leads me to believe it some off brand). The only thing that is custom that Mac seems to use in their iMac is their motherboard, which looks like most were designed or made by Intel, so it is pretty safe to assume it is similar to any Intel board.

I could build a computer cheaper and a lot more powerful with parts and brands that I know are MUCH more reliable and install their OS then anything I could get from Apple.

It is like paying for a Lexus exterior but getting the same Toyota engine in all their cars.

 

[EVILFACE]

BMW? More like a Ford Taurus.

 

[MadCow]

I've been a PC user since the beginning but only because I'm too fuggen poor to buy a Mac. I'm saving for a Macbook now, at the going rate I should be able to buy one by Black Friday 2013.

 

[Something Sexy]

If anything thing this discussion should be Mac OS vs Windows.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Don't most Apple computers now use the same exact parts most other computer brands use now? I don't keep up much with Apple ____ but they switched over to Intel based machines like 5 or 6 years ago. I cannot imagine the internals of those machines is much different anymore. So the reliability is some what of a joke to me between a Apple laptop and a high end HP or ASUS.

Pretty much. Any hard drive and memory will work. Apple even includes instructions on how to perform these upgrades. Apple products have always had excellent reliability because they maintain high standards of QA for their products. Hardware failure is never an issue with me because something fails no matter what brand it is. Apple just has above average support.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

So you don't think high end models of ASUS and Alienware and whatever other company is out there, cannot compare to an Apple computer?

You don't think Apple doesn't cut corners on components to keep their profits up? That is a joke.

Not as much as Asus and Alienware do. Apple performs all R&D and production in-house. This is why they dictate everything that goes into their products. From my experience Alienware isn't worth the $$ My brother owned two of their high end desktops that spent more time getting repaired than they did working.

 

[KitFisto]

If anything thing this discussion should be Mac OS vs Windows.

And I HATE the Mac OS. Can't stand it at all. It's annoying IMO and almost seems like a tinker toy vs a computer.

 

[BadMoon]

I never stated a price, I just mentioned computer making companies. You get the same parts, trust me. The use the same Intel processors in any prefab computer out there. They use ATI graphics cards, which again you can get in any PC. I am sure the RAM they use is some cheap-o RAM they toss in there since it seems pretty hard to find the exact type (leads me to believe it some off brand). The only thing that is custom that Mac seems to use in their iMac is their motherboard, which looks like most were designed or made by Intel, so it is pretty safe to assume it is similar to any Intel board.

I could build a computer cheaper and a lot more powerful with parts and brands that I know are MUCH more reliable and install their OS then anything I could get from Apple.

It is like paying for a Lexus exterior but getting the same Toyota engine in all their cars.

I agree and disagree all the same. I'm sure you can build a wonderful PC. The problem is not everyone (myself included) can just do that. I make no apologies for not being techy enough to build my own computer. I also certainly don't apologize for not having the know how to make it work when something goes wrong with it. Which happens all the time on a PC without proper maintenance.

With a Mac I can do everything I want to do and have complete trust that it will work. Plain and simple. As I have said I have had my Mac for about two years and it works the same way it did when I bought it. I have had no trips to computer repair people nor have I spent any time in maintaining the computer (outside of automatic apple updates).

I have had multiple PC's in a 5 year period that all went to ____. That's what lead me in the Mac direction. From my personal experience I will NEVER go back to owning a PC again. Too much work!

I'm far to busy to try to figure out whats wrong with my PC when I want to do something simple.

 

[Kabukiman]

cannot imagine the internals of those machines is much different anymore. So the reliability is some what of a joke to me between a Apple laptop and a high end HP or ASUS.

This is true. Now that the internal components are pretty much the same, the big difference is:

If anything thing this discussion should be Mac OS vs Windows.

For me, I go with with Mac because, as a sysadmin, UNIX > Windows. Period. For the rest of the world, it's easier to use and they don't have to worry about viruses or whatever. You can argue about why there are less viruses on OSX all you want, it doesn't matter, there are less and that's a fact. As HairlessWookie posted about above, Apple is consistently ranked #1 in customer service and support. To nerd home users like us, that may not be a big deal, but to your average home user, and business client, that's huge.

OSX handles memory usage more efficiently than Windows (as a programmer, you might be interested in reading up on "Grand Central" on Snow Leopard), and is really good at keeping open programs in their own sandbox so that one crashing program won't bring down the whole system. And yeah, the system does run maintenance in the background, but it only ever uses idle processes and memory, so your computer is never slowing down while you use it, as was suggested in a previous post.

Back to hardware, while it's true that internal components match the PC now, an argument can be made about hardware design. I have a couple friends who are PC users (and I hate to be the "I have some friends who..." guy) who need to hook up these weird cooling fan gizmos to their laptops to keep the computer from going into emergency overheat shutdown. It's really quite silly and sad. While that doesn't apply to us nerds here who build our own boxes, these guys just buy their computer off the shelf and expect it to work. Macs get a bad rep for not being "upgrade friendly", anybody who says that has never worked with a Mac Pro or any of the new Macbooks. A Mac Pro is the best designed pro tower I've ever used. The case opens quickly and easily, and all parts are big chunks of solid aluminum, so you don't have to worry about slicing your hand on plastic or sharp edges. With the new Macbooks, 8 screws gives you access to the whole damn thing. HD, RAM, fans, and a big ass battery. Speaking of the battery, people whine about not having removable batteries, but my 13" MBP is a year and a half old and still gets 7 hours. If I ever need to replace it, it's 8 screws and done.

Okay, that's enough ranting for now. I'm sure this thread will still be here when I'm ready for another one.

 

[Something Sexy]

This is true. Now that the internal components are pretty much the same, the big difference is:



For me, I go with with Mac because, as a sysadmin, UNIX > Windows. Period. For the rest of the world, it's easier to use and they don't have to worry about viruses or whatever. You can argue about why there are less viruses on OSX all you want, it doesn't matter, there are less and that's a fact. As HairlessWookie posted about above, Apple is consistently ranked #1 in customer service and support. To nerd home users like us, that may not be a big deal, but to your average home user, and business client, that's huge.

OSX handles memory usage more efficiently than Windows (as a programmer, you might be interested in reading up on "Grand Central" on Snow Leopard), and is really good at keeping open programs in their own sandbox so that one crashing program won't bring down the whole system. And yeah, the system does run maintenance in the background, but it only ever uses idle processes and memory, so your computer is never slowing down while you use it, as was suggested in a previous post.

Back to hardware, while it's true that internal components match the PC now, an argument can be made about hardware design. I have a couple friends who are PC users (and I hate to be the "I have some friends who..." guy) who need to hook up these weird cooling fan gizmos to their laptops to keep the computer from going into emergency overheat shutdown. It's really quite silly and sad. While that doesn't apply to us nerds here who build our own boxes, these guys just buy their computer off the shelf and expect it to work. Macs get a bad rep for not being "upgrade friendly", anybody who says that has never worked with a Mac Pro or any of the new Macbooks. A Mac Pro is the best designed pro tower I've ever used. The case opens quickly and easily, and all parts are big chunks of solid aluminum, so you don't have to worry about slicing your hand on plastic or sharp edges. With the new Macbooks, 8 screws gives you access to the whole damn thing. HD, RAM, fans, and a big ass battery. Speaking of the battery, people whine about not having removable batteries, but my 13" MBP is a year and a half old and still gets 7 hours. If I ever need to replace it, it's 8 screws and done.

Okay, that's enough ranting for now. I'm sure this thread will still be here when I'm ready for another one.

Most definitely! I/we use Linux and Unix for our development and production environments.

I ____ing hate vi though.

 

[The Ringer]

I should have never brought this thread back.

 

[Something Sexy]

I should have never brought this thread back.

It is too much fun though!

No harm in some friendly ribbing.

 

[Skiman]

I never stated a price, I just mentioned computer making companies. You get the same parts, trust me. The use the same Intel processors in any prefab computer out there. They use ATI graphics cards, which again you can get in any PC. I am sure the RAM they use is some cheap-o RAM they toss in there since it seems pretty hard to find the exact type (leads me to believe it some off brand). The only thing that is custom that Mac seems to use in their iMac is their motherboard, which looks like most were designed or made by Intel, so it is pretty safe to assume it is similar to any Intel board.

I could build a computer cheaper and a lot more powerful with parts and brands that I know are MUCH more reliable and install their OS then anything I could get from Apple.

It is like paying for a Lexus exterior but getting the same Toyota engine in all their cars.

 

[Skiman]

Most definitely! I/we use Linux and Unix for our development and production environments.

I ____ing hate vi though.

VI is your friend and where it all BEGAN, learn that ____ and love it!!!!