Petition to ban airbrushing images aimed at teens (UK)

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Re: Petition to ban airbushing images aimed at teens (UK)

If they're taught to understand the principle, they have all the tools they need to apply it to every case under the sun. This is assuming, of course, that their capacity for rational judgment has not been crippled by their willingness to subordinate their first-hand comprehension of the world to the opinions of their peers, or some other manifestation of the hive 'mind'.

That's the issue: teenagers do not have a developed, mature sense of self. Much of their identity is formulated in direct association with their peers. My greatest wish with respect to my child's education is not the quality of their class teacher or teachers - important as that is - but that the peer group with whom they associate is not a cluster if numbnuts.

Besides which, I have taught teenagers and I appreciate that some parents can't be entrusted with instilling in their children proper values because they themselves are idiots.

If any education on how to read advertising images is to be instilled in teenagers as a group, it can only reliably come from the formal education system.

So if a law requiring all members of a particular demographic to wear patches identifying them made it's way through those checks and balances, you would consider that legitimate?

Just an example, but I'm sure you can see the pattern. Without a guiding principle of the proper function of government, and a fundamental legal code to articulate its application, checks and balances are meaningless.

In this country, the principle underlying the fundamental law has been lost. The result is an interpretive free for all that has yielded a million laws that violate the country's legal foundations. For the sake of argument, let's assume that the foundation was compatible with the natural needs of human society. What do you think the consequence of such wholesale contradiction of that nature would be?

Australia is a socially-progressive democracy with a representative system of government. Governance is predicated on a constitution that has as part of its regulatory framework an independent judiciary. So the checks and balances required for the successful passage of bills are pretty rigorous. If we did end up with people having to wear patches on their arms, the rot would have begun in the social sphere well before it was debated by the electorates representatives.

As far as the natural needs of a society goes, I think a great number of these needs are social constructs that tend to be fluid rather than concrete. The social needs of a couple hundred needs ago would have included a raft of needs that would appear either obsolete or abhorrent in the context of contemporary culture.

Which is the main argument against such programs. The more people are involuntarily dependent upon each other for survival, the more convinced they become that they have a right to control each other. Where exactly does that stop?

Well, most likely when people get fed up with it and demand a change - through their elected representatives. Australians live in a wholly different cultural context from Americans. 'Go West' to an American brings to mind hope, promise, aspirations fulfilled. When Australian pioneers did the same thing they died of thirst in the desert. We have a culture of reliance on our fellow citizens that naturally extends to a degree of socialism in our legislature.

What if the models in these advertisements were real, and only a scant 1% of the population had the genes for physical perfection? How would this be any different?

A child is just as likely to come to the conclusion that the esthetic shortcomings of their anatomy is cause for self-contempt, whether the ideal is real or not. (And who's to say that there are not people as flawless as the photoshopped models, or that people are capable of perfecting their appearance to such a degree?)

The point is that they do not have to accept that physical perfection is important enough to condemn themselves to a life of futility and depression. They have the capacity to make those judgments through their whole lives and their experiences and perceptions as a child do not have to control their adulthood. Once they have fully developed their cognitive abilities, they have all the power they need to prioritize rationally. What's more, no one can do that for them.

Ultimately, not learning to discern between the idealized pictures they see in magazines, etc. and what can be expected based on the people they see around them every day will leave them helpless in the face of more serious deceptions. Sheltering them from the need to figure it out will guarantee that they'll be helpless when it counts.

I don't see it as sheltering young people. I see it as ensuring that they are bull____ted to as little as possible. I just can't see it as a bad idea that commercial interests are asked to represent what they are selling in a truthful way.


How often do you think they're aware that the discrepancy between the pictured product and the product they receive is not important? Do the cheesburger and fries taste any less awesome because they were prettier in the doctored ad?

The only issue here is the degree to which a child's mind is active. A sloth will swallow anything whole. An attentive, focused child will evaluate relentlessly. Take away the need to judge independently, and what do you think will happen to the sharper child?

You're right - when your logic is applied to a level playing field. Doctored images presented as real doesn't present a level playing field with respect to a child's capacity to recognise it as fact or fiction. And unlike the burger and fries, they can't meet the model in the ad the same way they can directly experience the burger and fries for themselves.

Better start banning all art that presents reality in a manner that a majority deems unrealistic as well. In one shot you will have successfully destroyed the ability of humans to project their hopes, dreams, and ideals because ultimately, the best will always be a future prospect and the present is all any of us have. Think of how many visionaries would have never taken that first step if they were forbidden to actualize anything that was not already a part of the global populace's mundane experience of reality.

It's all about context and the contract that exists between the creator of an image and the consumer of the image. An airbrushed model is fine if the context is one of fantasy - but when placed in a context that to a reasonable person is considered real life, this is a deceit which I believe needs to be disclosed so that a proper and informed opinion can be made about the inherent truth in that image.
 
Re: Petition to ban airbushing images aimed at teens (UK)

This thread needs a female perspective, afterall blokes don't know ____ about how a girl develops with these concerns. :lecture
 
Re: Petition to ban airbushing images aimed at teens (UK)

... but they'll have their work cut out if they want to be as wrong as Devil :lol
 
Re: Petition to ban airbushing images aimed at teens (UK)

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Re: Petition to ban airbushing images aimed at teens (UK)

see, she's doing the airbrush.

...its like dry humping but better.
 
Re: Petition to ban airbushing images aimed at teens (UK)

here is your female perspective .... :monkey1

Some kids may want the perfect body, physique or looks from a magazine but some kids also want to move to Pandora, it doesn't mean that it's gonna happen or that they will be psycologically scarred because it won't.
When I was a kid I wanted to be Wonder Woman but it doesn't mean I went and starved myself to look like Lynda Carter or got depressed because I didn't have a glass plane.

If kids have low self esteem or depression about their looks and/or personality because they are not like someone in a magazine, that is something that needs addressing by them as an individual and with their family, doctor, etc. Imo.

Magazines, telly and films have always used 'artistic license', that's the way it is. It doesn't mean that they are to blame for all childhood problems, again imo.
x :peace
 
Re: Petition to ban airbushing images aimed at teens (UK)

I don't think you'll want to hear my opinion since I work with kids, so I'm staying out of it.

I've wrote something several times and deleted it.
 
I have experienced something new today. For the first time...I looked directly at a hot, scantily clad woman...and was repulsed.

gotta say i completely disagree.
That gif, to me, shows she knows how to loosen up, have fun, enjoy herself without being a typical uptight self-conscious super model.
it makes her infinitely more attractive to me ... :monkey1
 
Wonder how that happened

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The parenting aspect is only part of the issue, those of you with kids, can you say you know exactly what media they consume 24/7? if they feel content with their appearance? What they do or say when you're not around?

The best parents in the world can't shield their children from reality

Body image concerns aren't new by any means, but they were measured against reality, thats not the way it is anymore.

Having media un-airbrushed is hardly opening the floodgates for Big Brother,its simply going back to the way it was... Honest portayel

I have kids and I can tell you that at 6 and 2, they already understand the difference between fiction and reality. Both are comfortable with who they are and my daughter (the elder of the two) knows that anybody telling her to be something she's not is either a bully or a loser. She understands this, understands that everybody's unique and that there's no such thing as "perfection." Keep in mind, she understands this and she's only 4 years old. So yes, the situation you presented is a result of failed parenting on all levels.
 
gotta say i completely disagree.
That gif, to me, shows she knows how to loosen up, have fun, enjoy herself without being a typical uptight self-conscious super model.
it makes her infinitely more attractive to me ... :monkey1


LOL...well spun!:)
 
I have experienced something new today. For the first time...I looked directly at a hot, scantily clad woman...and was repulsed.



Thanks! That was killing me too.:)

I... very strangely... share that sentiment. Never would I have ever thought my brain was capable of that thought.

I read about this in the news this morning and rolled my eyes. I've read through this whole thread, and it's nice to see the majority sharing the opinion for the same reasons.
 
Re: Petition to ban airbushing images aimed at teens (UK)

I don't think you'll want to hear my opinion since I work with kids, so I'm staying out of it.

I've wrote something several times and deleted it.

Hey, I work with kids too! I spend my days airbrushing away their moles and creases so they scrub up real nice in 'Teen Queen Magazine'.
 
I mean, yes airbrushing is bad, but so is plastic Surgery, girls getting implants, liposuction,
those girls, is like they took airbrushing to their bodies lol, that's what I was saying and that's why the gif.
even if you stopped airbrushing, magazines would still sell a lie,
 
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