POTC: AWE Discussion - WITH SPOILERS

[Agent0028]

True, on the other hand had Jack been a little less hesitant about stabbing the heart in the first place he coulda done it immdiately and saved Will in the first place.

 

[The Mike]

Jack hesitated because he was unsure about taking on the role of Captain of the Dutchman. Remember when he hatched this plan to Will? He said he'd look bad in tentacles inferring that he'd do what Jones did and leave his post behind....he finally did the honorable thing to save Will, he could have stabbed the heart himself and been out for himself.

Jack will not chase Barbossa just yet, he'd want immortality first then go after Barbossa because he'd be immortal, it'll be Barbossa who goes looking for Jack first.

Jack was in Hell. His boat in the middle of a desert when his life's ambitions are to stay with the sea forever. I figured because Calypso was in the Land of the Dead she had usage of her powers which helped bring Jack Sparrow to the sea again but lost them again once in the Land of the Living....she didn't want usage of her powers she wanted out of human form....it'd also explain why she had a mystic quality in DMC but no real visible powers...

The people were floating aimlessly in the waters because Jones was not leading them to the Afterlife.....I'm assuming that piece was in purgatory.

He was the only one there to further punish him because Jack has made a living by getting others to do his dirty work for him.....although to him he wasn't alone.....

He gave up Immortality for present time but not his dream or else he wouldn't be headed towards Florida....

Finallly I don't see Jack giving Elizabeth or anyone else water from the Fountain of Youth willingly.....although I do see him using it as "lever-age"....

 

[oxbeard]

Earlier in the film Beckett told Jones to kill his "pet" AKA the Kraken.

No the crabs were not a coincidence. You can clearly see them move under her dress as the Black Pearl 'sails' by. She is also petting one in her hand.

Yeah, the crabs were actually part of her role in bringing Jack back. While aboard the ship and when she knows they are getting ready to go over the falls, she start speaking into her crab necklace. Next you see is the crabs start showing up in Jones' locker and begin to ferry the Pearl back to the ocean.


As far as the guys in the bath house, those are actually mushrooms on their bodies. The topic was covered in the Starz behind the scenes AWE special. IIRC it was actually Bruckheimer's idea that because of the moisture in the bath house there would be mushrooms growing everywhere and he wanted to carry that theme to include some of the bathers as well.

 

[KitFisto]

Earlier in the film Beckett told Jones to kill his "pet" AKA the Kraken.

No the crabs were not a coincidence. You can clearly see them move under her dress as the Black Pearl 'sails' by. She is also petting one in her hand.

Oh yeah, I do remember that now. Thanks.

 

[Customikey]

Mushrooms. That's interesting.

I think the sound of one of their necks cracking as they turned gave the impression of coral scraping.....

 

[Agent0028]

Mushrooms...somehow that seems grosser than turning in to coral, maybe its the fungus part of it. *makes Jack Sparrow's "yuck" face*

Jack hesitated because he was unsure about taking on the role of Captain of the Dutchman. Remember when he hatched this plan to Will? He said he'd look bad in tentacles inferring that he'd do what Jones did and leave his post behind....

I know that's why he hesitated, but its still what got Will killed.

 

[RoboDad]

Mushrooms...somehow that seems grosser than turning in to coral, maybe its the fungus part of it. *makes Jack Sparrow's "yuck" face*

I know that's why he hesitated, but its still what got Will killed.

True, but based on the look on Jack's face, he really didn't expect Jones to kill Will.

 

[The Mike]

I agree, there was a look of shock on Sparrow's face when Will was killed, I think he was expecting Jones to go after him again....

 

[tomandshell]

Poor kid though. If I only got laid once every ten years, I probably wouldn't spend that much time with the progeny.

"Hello, son. Nice to meet you for the first time in your life. Now scram..."

 

[MaulFan]

Ya, Jack deffinately was played to be confident holding a blade to the heart gave him all the "leverage" he could ever want on Jones, deffinately a bit of "i've got my enemy beat" going on, plus there was an inner struggle over whether or not the imortal life of Captaining the Dutchman was worth it or not, so when Will is killed, it snaps him out of it and it's a moment of shock at what Jones did, and I think too, a feeling of guilt that his hesitation allowed Jones to act, which ultimately leads him to make up for hesitating by aiding him in stabbing the heart to give Will new life.

 

[scubasteve]

Here's a question -

After Norrington died (and freed Elizabeth), why didn't the Dutchman immediately go after the Empress??? The Dutchman was certainly fast enough to catch the Empress and certainly had the firepower to destroy it.

If I remember correctly, Mercer said the Black Pearl was the only ship "that could outrun the Dutchman."

They could have captured Elizabeth (who was a pirate lord) and held her for ransom, thus turning everything in East India Co.'s favor.

Also, if the pirate lords and their pieces of eight were so important, why would Barbossa have left Sparrow for dead on that "godforsaken island" in the first movie??

Man, I have been thinking deeply about these movies. Maybe, too deeply. lol

 

[Hightreker]

Also, if the pirate lords and their pieces of eight were so important, why would Barbossa have left Sparrow for dead on that "godforsaken island" in the first movie??

At that point, Barbossa was immortal, and probablly thought he'd never need to worry about the council.

 

[scubasteve]

At that point, Barbossa was immortal, and probablly thought he'd never need to worry about the council.

But...he hated being immortal. No apples. No "warmth of a woman's flesh."

Nor the spray of the sea.

 

[Hightreker]

hmmm....I obviously need to re watch these before i jump in the debate

 

[MaulFan]

The pieces of eight and the bretheren was only necessary when Becketts regime got the heart of Jones and rose to power, if that hadn't occurred, the pirates would have been free to sail the seas as they always had, and Jack's piece of eight would have been of no value, plus, he head no hesitation slicing it from him, so if he had needed it, he'd have taken it then left Jack on the island.

 

[scubasteve]

The pieces of eight and the bretheren was only necessary when Becketts regime got the heart of Jones and rose to power, if that hadn't occurred, the pirates would have been free to sail the seas as they always had, and Jack's piece of eight would have been of no value, plus, he head no hesitation slicing it from him, so if he had needed it, he'd have taken it then left Jack on the island.

Good explanation. Thanks, Maul.

 

[Agent0028]

Maybe he figured that he could always go back and get Jack's piece of eight if the brethren council was ever called. Or maybe he really didn't care about that until he wanted to release Calypso. EDIT: Maulfan beat me to it.

Good points about Jack's hesitation, looking at it that way I think y'all are right, he expected holding the heart to be enough to stop Davy Jones from killing Will.

 

[scubasteve]

Good points about Jack's hesitation, looking at it that way I think y'all are right, he expected holding the heart to be enough to stop Davy Jones from killing Will.

Yeah, they were great points. Davy had essentially gone mad after he realizaed what Calypso was doing. Man, I love the character, though. Props to Bill Nighy. Amazing, amazing acting.

 

[Buttmunch]

Or as Barbossa said in the first film, "People are easy to search when they're dead." So if he really needed that piece of eight, he could have just gone back to the island he left Jack on and take it from his corpse.

 

[piccolodaimaoh]

At that point, Barbossa was immortal, and probablly thought he'd never need to worry about the council.

At the point when Barbossa left Jack on the island they had just stolen the treasure.

Jack was given the Black Pearl by Davy Jones 13 years ago. The mutiny took place 3 years after that. The rest of the crew of the Pearl were cursed for 10 years. Barbossa states it took them 10 years to retrieve all of the pieces.

When they left Jack on the island they had the treasure, knew of the curse but did not know the legend was true. It took them some time after they stranded Jack to realize they were cursed and needed to get the pieces of Aztec gold back to end the curse with the blood of a Turner.

So yes, Barbossa was immortal at the time but he did not know it yet so that could not be the reason he left Jack without taking his piece.

The only reason I could think of is that the Bretheren Councils are a rare occurance. Barbossa probably did not believe he would need Jack's piece because why would they need to release Calypso?
As far as we know Barbossa did not suspect Tia Dalma of being Calypso until she rose him from the dead and that didn't happen until the end of Curse of the Black Pearl.

I love these discussions by the way....