Presidential Debate McCain vs Obama Round 2

[CelticPredator]

Whether you think guns kill people or people kill people, guns are a weapon a weapon meant to inflict harm or kill something or someone.

Makes me sad that mankind is so smart but uses it's "intelligence" to create such evil things. We make guns to fight wars, to kill people, over what? What is ever solved. In midst of war we must never forget that killing is a sin or a crime.

I hope to never live anywhere where I feel that it's a must that I must own a rifle or handgun for my own protection.

Guns are awesome. They look very slick at times, very well designed, and could be very useful. Yey for guns and violence! (in movies......and video games!)

 

[tomandshell]

The sooner the criminals obey the gun control laws, the better.

 

[carbo-fation]

I'd like to shoot some freaks...

Too bad I don't own a gun and never will.

 

[hoodonit00]

Too bad I don't own a gun and never will.

The criminals thank you.

 

[customizerwannabe]

I've owned one since I was 18 and always will. A personal choice though.

 

[Mike1065]

When an armed man breaks into my house in the middle of the night to do harm to my family, I will not accept anything less than the ability to use a gun. Tell me, how many criminals obey gun laws? WHat's the point of enacting such laws, only us law abiding citizens will listen to them.


This is my greatest fear of an Obama presidency, he rabidly opposes the second amendment, and is even against defending yourself in your home. No that's not partisanship or untrue, just a concerned citizen telling the truth.

 

[hoodonit00]

When an armed man breaks into my house in the middle of the night to do harm to my family, I will not accept anything less than the ability to use a gun. Tell me, how many criminals obey gun laws? WHat's the point of enacting such laws, only us law abiding citizens will listen to them.


This is my greatest fear of an Obama presidency, he rabidly opposes the second amendment, and is even against defending yourself in your home. No that's not partisanship or untrue, just a concerned citizen telling the truth.

Now now Mike. Don't you know that if you do everything the misunderstood and victimized criminals ask that you and your loved ones will not be harmed. I've read that on this board so it must be true. And for those who say there is no reason for an assault rifle, cough, cough Josh. We are entering very interesting times where in our lifetime, there is a very real possibility that we could head into a depression. If this were to happen, you can expect to see rampant crime. I'll take my 30 round quick change magazine, over a bolt action rifle anyday. It's been proven time and time again, that in times of crisis the police are overwhelmed and it's up to the citizen to protect themselves and their loved ones.

 

[wofford29]

Now now Mike. Don't you know that if you do everything the misunderstood and victimized criminals ask that you and your loved ones will not be harmed. I've read that on this board so it must be true. And for those who say there is no reason for an assault rifle, cough, cough Josh. We are entering very interesting times where in our lifetime, there is a very real possibility that we could head into a depression. If this were to happen, you can expect to see rampant crime. I'll take my 30 round quick change magazine, over a bolt action rifle anyday. It's been proven time and time again, that in times of crisis the police are overwhelmed and it's up to the citizen to protect themselves and their loved ones.

True story. With the gas crisis that Atlanta has been facing the last few weeks. People have lost their mind. People have been waiting hours in line at gas stations to get gas, hardly any stations have been getting any in so it's a mad rush to find a station and line up. Anywho, we were sitting in line and a woman cut her car in front of a man up in front of us, he puts his car in park, opens the door and busts out a shotgun on the woman. It's scary to think about what people become in a time of crisis, and I can only imagine if something worse than this were to happen.

 

[The Josh]

This is my greatest fear of an Obama presidency, he rabidly opposes the second amendment, and is even against defending yourself in your home. No that's not partisanship or untrue, just a concerned citizen telling the truth.

This is a flat out lie. There is nothing on any site that at all nor is it in his voting record. Please don't believe everything the right or the NRA tells you. I would hope some people would be smart enough to do a little research on topics like this.

For the record once again I don't oppose people owning handguns, shotguns, or rifles. I've thought about buying a glock before but just haven't pulled the trigger (pun intended). You don't need an assault rifle to protect your home you can do that quite well with a shot gun or handgun.

 

[Mike1065]

This is a flat out lie. There is nothing on any site that at all nor is it in his voting record. Please don't believe everything the right or the NRA tells you. I would hope some people would be smart enough to do a little research on topics like this.

For the record once again I don't oppose people owning handguns, shotguns, or rifles. I've thought about buying a glock before but just haven't pulled the trigger (pun intended). You don't need an assault rifle to protect your home you can do that quite well with a shot gun or handgun.

I've done the reasearch, maybe you shouldn't believe the lies you've been told. You can check any fact checker website, this is what he's supported:

-Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
-Ban concealed carry unless you are a police officer
-Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws
-Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
-Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
-2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month
-Provide some "common-sense" enforcement on gun licensing
-Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok

Obama is rabidly anti gun. Just admit it and move on, no need to try and call me the liar when I am presenting the truth.

 

[hoodonit00]

This is a flat out lie. There is nothing on any site that at all nor is it in his voting record. Please don't believe everything the right or the NRA tells you. I would hope some people would be smart enough to do a little research on topics like this.

For the record once again I don't oppose people owning handguns, shotguns, or rifles. I've thought about buying a glock before but just haven't pulled the trigger (pun intended). You don't need an assault rifle to protect your home you can do that quite well with a shot gun or handgun.

Ok Josh explain to me why an AR is not a good home defense weapon.

 

[The Josh]

I've done the reasearch, maybe you shouldn't believe the lies you've been told. You can check any fact checker website, this is what he's supported:

-Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
-Ban concealed carry unless you are a police officer
-Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws
-Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
-Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
-2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month
-Provide some "common-sense" enforcement on gun licensing
-Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok

Obama is rabidly anti gun. Just admit it and move on, no need to try and call me the liar when I am presenting the truth.

I'm curious to know where you got your info. My guess is some right winged/NRA slanted fact sites. That don't give the whole reason or the whole truth. I'm more than willing to go look at whatever site you did to learn more. Though, honestly making owning guns a bit tougher is not really problem for me.

Ok Josh explain to me why an AR is not a good home defense weapon.

I didn't say it wasn't a good defense weapon. I'm sure it is but there is no need to have one to defend your home.

 

[Mike1065]

Look up S.B. 2165 from Illionois in 2004. Look it up yourself since you won't beleive anybody else. It is a bill which allows you to defend yourself in your home if necessary. Guess who voted no? Obama. Heres the url to the OFFICIAL SITE VOTING RECORD ilga.gov, totally an NRA website
https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/votehistory/93/senate/09300SB2165_03252004_020000T.pdf

 

[Mike1065]

Here's just one site in particular where I got my info in a few posts back

https://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

as you can see, each fact is properly cited.

 

[The Josh]

I will look at both those.

 

[customizerwannabe]

I'm curious to know where you got your info. My guess is some right winged/NRA slanted fact sites. That don't give the whole reason or the whole truth. I'm more than willing to go look at whatever site you did to learn more. Though, honestly making owning guns a bit tougher is not really problem for me.



I didn't say it wasn't a good defense weapon. I'm sure it is but there is no need to have one to defend your home.

Your opinion. Not the opinion of the powers that be.

 

[The Josh]

Your opinion. Not the opinion of the powers that be.

Did I say anything different?

 

[customizerwannabe]

Maybe not overtly, but your way of delivering your opinion gives the air of someone pontificating rather than stating personal preference.

 

[barbelith]

Ok Josh explain to me why an AR is not a good home defense weapon.

Explain to me why land mines are not a good home defense weapon.

 

[customizerwannabe]

She's back.