Presidential Debate McCain vs Obama Round 2

[scubasteve]

Doesn't O'Reilly tear everyone a new one? I can't stand him.

Yes, and I'm glad he can now mark Barney off his to do list.

 

[Mesa]

You got proof??? Or is this just another desperate attempt to change the election? Fact is McCain has nothing to say(other then "the fundamentals of the economy are strong"...course 2 hours laters he deemed there to be a crisis) so he's going negative, his own advisers told the NY Times "if we keep talking about the economy we will lose".


Oh well I guees desperate times call for desperate measures.

https://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/mccain_voter_fraud/2008/09/22/133361.html

Between Danforth and Rudman, they ticked off an inventory of what they perceived as likely trouble spots:



In Ohio in the last election, there were four counties where voter registration exceeded the number of voting-age people in the counties.



In Colorado, ACORN registered some individuals 40 separate times. Danforth noted that the ACORN director in Ohio played this down, saying in effect just because you register somebody 35 times doesn’t mean that they get to vote 35 times. “So, a fairly cavalier attitude,” he concluded.



In Nevada, nearly 1,000 felons were illegally registered to vote in 2004.



In Washington state, felony charges were brought against ACORN workers and some went to jail.



On Sept. 18th in The Washington Post, an article pointed out the danger that Election Day could become a real mess because of the applications turned in for registration of people who are not entitled to vote.



In Michigan, ACORN enrolled 200,000 voters and a spokesman for the secretary of state of Michigan has said that there appears to be a sizable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications.



The Clark County, Nev., registrar claims that there has been rampant fraud, and counts roughly 40 percent of registration applications submitted by ACORN from January through July had been rejected or questioned.



In Pennsylvania, official are investigating ACORN for filing fraudulent voter registrations. One ACORN worker is facing 19 counts of perjury for making false statements.



In Wisconsin, more allegations of fraud. Milwaukee election officials recently turned in 32 more voter registration workers to the district attorney’s office for possible prosecution, bringing the total to 39.



The secretary of state of Ohio is, in effect, disenfranchising many who have relied on printed applications for absentee ballots -- claiming that because appropriate boxes not been checked on the card requesting the ballot that the person shouldn’t get the ballot. “So we are concerned that a lot of people who want to vote absentee in Ohio are not going to be able to do so,” concluded Danforth.



Rudman zeroed in on the case of Michigan where “we believe that the Obama campaign has made really false claims about trying to suppress voters there.”


“Our concern is that if this is a close election ... and if one side believes it has been cheated ... it is going to be harder to heal the wounds that are created at election time,” said Danforth.


“[W]e have extended our hand to the Obama campaign and to the Democratic National Committee, hoping that ways can be found where we can work together toward what should be the common objective for both presidential candidates,” said Danforth.

https://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/10/nevada_voter_fraud_probe_bailo.html

is that proof enough for you?

 

[Mesa]

Last updated: 8:01 am
October 9, 2008
Posted: 4:31 am
October 9, 2008

CLEVELAND - Two Ohio voters, including Domino's pizza worker Christopher Barkley , claimed yesterday that they were hounded by the community-activist group ACORN to register to vote several times, even though they made it clear they'd already signed up.

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Barkley estimated he'd registered to vote "10 to 15" times after canvassers for ACORN, whose political wing has endorsed Barack Obama, relentlessly pursued him and others.

Claims such as his have sparked election officials to probe ACORN.

"I kept getting approached by folks who asked me to register," Barkley said. "They'd ask me if I was registered. I'd say yes, and they'd ask me to do it [register] again.


"Some of them were getting paid to collect names. That was their sob story, and I bought it," he said.

Barkley is one of at least three people who have been subpoenaed by the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections as part of a wider inquiry into possible voter fraud by ACORN. The group seeks to register low-income voters, who skew overwhelmingly Democratic.

"You can tell them you're registered as many times as you want - they do not care," said Lateala Goins, 21, who was subpoenaed.

"They will follow you to the buses, they will follow you home, it does not matter," she told The Post.

She added that she never put down an address on any of the registration forms, just her name.

A third subpoenaed voter, Freddie Johnson, 19, filled out registration cards 72 times over 18 months, officials said.

"It feeds the public perception that there could be [fraud], and that makes the pillars fall down," said local Board of Elections President Jeff Hastings.

Registering under a fake name is illegal. But officials usually catch multiple registrations and toss them.

The major risk of fraud growing out of mass canvassing involves the possibility of ineligible voters filing absentee ballots, and thus avoiding checks at polling places, said Republican National Committee chief counsel Sean Cairncross.

The subpoenas come as Republicans have ramped up criticism of ACORN. Officials in Nevada raided ACORN's Las Vegas office Tuesday, accusing the group of signing people up multiple times - in some cases under phony names, like those of Dallas Cowboys.

ACORN's Cleveland spokesman, Kris Harsh, said his group collected 100,000 voter-registration cards; only about 50 were questionable, he claimed.

As for workers, "We watch them like a hawk," he said.

https://www.nypost.com/seven/10092008/news/politics/nuts__132771.htm

 

[RoboDad]

It doesn't bug me so much that the elections bring out differences of opinion, it's just that so many people--on all sides--present their opinions and facts in such a condescending, superior, belittling, divisive, self righteous, arrogant or patronizing manner.

There are three topics that really should never be discussed in polite company - politics, religion, and which company produces the best collectibles .

 

[LChinoz]

= stupid post.. haha lchinoz

hahahahaha

Nuff said.

 

[LChinoz]

https://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14413.html

If the polls hold true, Obama could surpass 350 electoral votes, which would equal a landslide victory. Interesting article about McCain's chances vs. Obama's.

 

[customizerwannabe]

I think he'll win but I doubt a landslide. I think the unpollable X factor is going to come into play. X factor=No vote for a black dude. A pathetic reason to choose or not choose a candidate but it could be a huge factor on election day. Never underestimate the bigotry in this country.

 

[LChinoz]

I think he'll win but I doubt a landslide. I think the unpollable X factor is going to come into play. X factor=No vote for a black dude. A pathetic reason to choose or not choose a candidate but it could be a huge factor on election day. Never underestimate the bigotry in this country.

I agree. Some people will not vote for him just because he is black.

 

[customizerwannabe]

I won't vote for him because I agree with fewer of his policies than McCain's, but put Colin Powell in there and I'd vote for him in a hot second. Not a color choice for me anyway.

 

[Spartan Rex]

If McCain wins this the Libs will cry foul again.
First we stole the election, then we swift boated.
If Obama loses itll because of racism, just watch.
Dems dont get its much harder for their left points of view to sell on a national level than a local level.
They have a hard time believing that anyone doesnt buy into their point of you.

 

[Spartan Rex]

I agree. Some people will not vote for him just because he is black.

..and some will just vote for him because he is.
Is that racist?

 

[barbelith]

If Obama needs voter fraud in order to help him secure the election, more power to him.

Why not? Worked twice for Bush.

 

[customizerwannabe]

..and some will just vote for him because he is.
Is that racist?

Snap!!!!!!

 

[barbelith]

Dems dont get its much harder for their left points of view to sell on a national level

Actually liberal viewpoints outpoll conservative viewpoints on more issues than not. It's when we start tagging parties and candidates to issues that poll results get muddier, for a host of ancillary reasons.

 

[Batty]

I think it's funny that people think Obama is a terrorist because of his name.

The interviewer in this video is obviously an Obama supporter, but it does prove the point.

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[Spartan Rex]

Why not? Worked twice for Bush.

Thanks for proving my point

 

[Mike1065]

..and some will just vote for him because he is.
Is that racist?

How dare you apply logic to the race argument!

 

[LChinoz]

..and some will just vote for him because he is.
Is that racist?

African Americans always vote Democrat. The fact that he is black is energizing, but this is not the only reason he gets their votes. He has a "D" next to his name. I'm sure there are people voting for him because he is black too, which is just as wrong as not voting for him because he is, but in the end this is their right. Now, if the Republicans nominated a black man and he got Obama's support,that would be different.

 

[barbelith]

The dems loved giving the loans to those with crap credit... till the bill came due. Now they blame it on the Republicans.

I have a feeling the guys defaulting on million dollar houses in California didn't have "crap" credit. Nor the middle class screwed with credit cards and HELOCs. I know you need someone to blame because that's how your worldview works, but this isn't a party issue nor even something with one set of people to blame. Was it poor families taking on subprime loans? Was it middle class families taking out HELOCs on ballooning values? Was it jerk off flippers swelling a housing bubble? Was it greedy mortgage firms eager to make a dime no matter their ethical standing? Was it Wall Street fanning a bubble in order to make millions on MBS and CDO voodoo product and other derivatives? Was it the Democrats for suggesting FM/FM have an obligation to help struggling Americans get a foot on the housing ladder? Was it the Republicans for deregulating the financial markets at almost every opportunity? Was it the Bush administration for pushing cheap credit?

It was all these things and more. The global financial markets are being hammered right now, and if you think that's down to Fannie Mae you're a fool.

 

[barbelith]

Thanks for proving my point

Actually you're proving mine; unless of course you think this ACORN stuff is nonsense.