Presidential Debate McCain vs Obama Round 2
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Well duh, I want to kill an intruder not blow my house up. I bow down to your greatness. There is no way a simple machinist like myself, can argue with the dizzying intellect of a college student. Are you from Pa.? I thought only rednecks like myself came from Pa., I didn't know we had such intellectuals from here.
ETA Damn, had to edit my post because of mispellings. Well what do you expect, I am a gun toting redneck.
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RoboDad
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Wow, it sounds like I'm missing some highly stimulating and compelling arguments (heavy emphasis on the missing part 
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Obama's growing list of dubious connections continues:
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is the first national candidate ever to hire ACORN, a controversial non-profit accused of voter fraud across the country, for get out the vote activities.
Obama’s campaign paid $800,000 to a subsidiary of the liberally-leaning non-profit Association of Community Organizers for Reform called Citizens Services Incorporated campaign to increase voter turnout.
This information, however, was not properly disclosed to the Federal Election Commission. The Obama campaign said it hired CSI to do “polling, advance work and staging events” according to reports submitted to the FEC during the Democratic primary.
The FEC said the Obama campaign needed to disclose ACORN was engaging in get out the vote activities last August. At the time the Obama campaign called the mistake a “clerical error.”
To date, ACORN has been accused of voter fraud in 15 states this election cycle.
Obama has close ties to the organization. Before becoming a member of the Illinois State Senate, Obama represented ACORN in a lawsuit to help push for “Motor Voter” laws to make it easier for low-income persons to vote.
Later, as director of the Woods Fund and Chairman of the Board of Chicago Annenberg Challenge Obama helped steer funds to ACORN through various grants.
Obama sought ACORN’s endorsement in the Democratic primary telling ACORN members, “Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.”
“Project Vote” is the name ACORN’s voter registration drives are called. Obama worked for Project Vote for a period of roughly seven months in 1992.
ACORN endorsed Obama for president in February 2008.
Wow, a Chicago politician connected to voter fraud, what're the odds?
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is the first national candidate ever to hire ACORN, a controversial non-profit accused of voter fraud across the country, for get out the vote activities.
Obama’s campaign paid $800,000 to a subsidiary of the liberally-leaning non-profit Association of Community Organizers for Reform called Citizens Services Incorporated campaign to increase voter turnout.
This information, however, was not properly disclosed to the Federal Election Commission. The Obama campaign said it hired CSI to do “polling, advance work and staging events” according to reports submitted to the FEC during the Democratic primary.
The FEC said the Obama campaign needed to disclose ACORN was engaging in get out the vote activities last August. At the time the Obama campaign called the mistake a “clerical error.”
To date, ACORN has been accused of voter fraud in 15 states this election cycle.
Obama has close ties to the organization. Before becoming a member of the Illinois State Senate, Obama represented ACORN in a lawsuit to help push for “Motor Voter” laws to make it easier for low-income persons to vote.
Later, as director of the Woods Fund and Chairman of the Board of Chicago Annenberg Challenge Obama helped steer funds to ACORN through various grants.
Obama sought ACORN’s endorsement in the Democratic primary telling ACORN members, “Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.”
“Project Vote” is the name ACORN’s voter registration drives are called. Obama worked for Project Vote for a period of roughly seven months in 1992.
ACORN endorsed Obama for president in February 2008.
Wow, a Chicago politician connected to voter fraud, what're the odds?
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If someone thinks Democrats speak the truth they are seriously blind!
I'm giving my two cents on the issue. You and others can take it for what you will.
I don't think Democrats are the bastion of truth at all. Both sides tend to bend the facts but after the last 8 years I think right wingers know less about the truth.
Obama's growing list of dubious connections continues:
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is the first national candidate ever to hire ACORN, a controversial non-profit accused of voter fraud across the country, for get out the vote activities.
Obama’s campaign paid $800,000 to a subsidiary of the liberally-leaning non-profit Association of Community Organizers for Reform called Citizens Services Incorporated campaign to increase voter turnout.
This information, however, was not properly disclosed to the Federal Election Commission. The Obama campaign said it hired CSI to do “polling, advance work and staging events” according to reports submitted to the FEC during the Democratic primary.
The FEC said the Obama campaign needed to disclose ACORN was engaging in get out the vote activities last August. At the time the Obama campaign called the mistake a “clerical error.”
To date, ACORN has been accused of voter fraud in 15 states this election cycle.
Obama has close ties to the organization. Before becoming a member of the Illinois State Senate, Obama represented ACORN in a lawsuit to help push for “Motor Voter” laws to make it easier for low-income persons to vote.
Later, as director of the Woods Fund and Chairman of the Board of Chicago Annenberg Challenge Obama helped steer funds to ACORN through various grants.
Obama sought ACORN’s endorsement in the Democratic primary telling ACORN members, “Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.”
“Project Vote” is the name ACORN’s voter registration drives are called. Obama worked for Project Vote for a period of roughly seven months in 1992.
ACORN endorsed Obama for president in February 2008.
Wow, a Chicago politician connected to voter fraud, what're the odds?
You do realize this says accused that there is no actual proof right? I'd like to know who has accused them? Why where they accused? Stuff like that.
The worst thing I read here was they didn't disclose they had them doing some work. As if any of the rest didn't have groups doing stuff on the slide.
Honestly it seems at this point stuff like this is a none issue in most polls as everyone knows they all have skeletons. Middle Class folks seem to finally realize its the economy, education, and taxes that matter.
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You do realize this says accused that there is no actual proof right? I'd like to know who has accused them? Why where they accused? Stuff like that.
The worst thing I read here was they didn't disclose they had them doing some work.
As if any of the rest didn't have groups doing stuff on the slide.
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Wrap yourself in the legal nomenclature of "accused" if it makes you feel better.
The article below goes into more damning detail.
30 days until election day, an eternity in politics.
Here ya go Joshua Dean.
Washington Post
By Mary Pat Flaherty
The Nevada office of ACORN had planned a potluck dinner at its Las Vegas office Tuesday night to celebrate the 80,000 newly registered voters its staff had signed up in Clark County as part of its work with low-income communities nationwide.
Instead, their office was raided Tuesday morning by agents of the Nevada Secretary of State and Attorney General who alleged in an application for a search warrant that ACORN had hired 59 felons through a work release program as canvassers and submitted nearly 300 apparently fraudulent voter registration cards as part of the drive.
The submitted voter cards included addresses and names that do not exist in Nevada, duplicate registrations, names culled from telephone books and names of Dallas Cowboys players, an investigator for the Secretary of State alleged in his affidavit for a search warrant.
One ex-employee of ACORN reached by the state investigator told him she began making up names for her forms on days when it was too hot to work outside. ACORN canvassers are paid by the hour. Ex-employees also said they were expected to collect 20 complete forms a shift or risk probation and termination, the investigator said in his affidavit.
The search drove ACORN and its critics to exchange charges of political maneuvering in a battleground state that voted Republican in the 2004 presidential election but is considered in play for November. Mail-in voter registration closed Saturday in Nevada.
Agents removed 20 boxes of documents and eight computer hard drives from the ACORN office in "an ongoing investigation," said Secretary of State Ross Miller, a Democrat. "Now we begin the task of sifting through the material that was seized to determine how widespread any fraud might be."
No arrests were made yesterday and no ACORN staff were in the office during the raid.
ACORN officials said they were stunned by the search because they had unilaterally identified and flagged suspicious voter registration cards to the county elections board starting in July and had been cooperating with authorities to cull bad information and fire workers who collected that information, said Brian Mellor, senior counsel for Project Vote.
Project Vote relies on staff from ACORN, which stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, to do field level voter drives.
ACORN's internal checks, Mellor said, included tracking forms assigned to canvassers using serial numbers and worker sign-offs on each form and following up with listed voters by phone to verify they had taken part in the registration drive. The search warrant mentions those procedures.
That cooperation and meetings with state officials also are mentioned in the search affidavit, as is a subpoena from the state that was delivered to ACORN in September asking the group to resubmit information on several employees it had previously turned over to county elections officials. The forms were resubmitted, Mellor said.
"The raid was a stunt designed perhaps to make them look tough on voter fraud," said Matthew Henderson, the southwest regional director for ACORN. "We don't think fraud is a rampant problem. This was a politically motivated stunt, that is all there is to it because those new voters can reshape the electorate of Nevada."
Henderson said many voters registered through ACORN are "working people and people of color and there may be corners of the political world where a high injection of new voters like those is unsettling some."
The state is one of several viewed as a battleground. The Secretary of State and Attorney General are Democrats.
"If this were a stunt I would have put Ross (Miller) out there with a shotgun like Buford Pussey," said Miller's spokesman, Bob Walsh. "I'll grant them their cooperation, though it is grossly dishonest not to bring up the felons in their official statements they released."
But, said Walsh, "at the end of the day, it is our job, not ACORN's, to enforce election law and that is why we acted."
In July, the two Nevada state agencies involved in the raid, along with the FBI and U.S. Attorney's Office for Nevada, formed a task force to target voter registration and election fraud and complaints over voter registration practices, potential voter fraud, and enforcement of laws regarding voter intimidation. The federal agents were not part of Tuesday's search, Walsh said.
Registration drives conducted by ACORN in several states are under scrutiny by local elections officials for the accuracy of cards gathered by its workers.
Mellor said that problems with duplicate registrations -- for people already registered who sign on during a drive -- have been a problem that ACORN is working to eliminate because those cards burden local elections boards who must process them. He also noted that the group has worked with local authorities in St. Louis and Kansas City in the past on investigations. But the Nevada search, he said, "is the first raid I can recall."
ACORN has been the object of heated denunciations from the Republican National Committee and the McCain campaign, which contend the group is attempting to overwhelm election officials with new registrations that are carelessly gathered and would enable unqualified voters to get on the rolls.
"It is very difficult to ascribe any other motive to the activities of ACORN other than to swamp the system with registrations cards" that range from illegible to being drawn from names from telephone listings or other public directories, said RNC Chief Counsel Sean Cairncross. Cairncross spoke Tuesday during a telephone press conference on another ACORN voter drive in northwest Indiana that local news accounts report is under review by elections officers.
The ACORN drives, he said, "point to a lack of control in this organization" and "a willingness to go out and do this relentlessly."
The McCain and Obama camps have been trading blasts and Internet alerts over Republican charges that ACORN has been closely linked to Barack Obama for years, a contention the Obama campaign denies.
Mesa
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If Obama needs voter fraud in order to help him secure the election, more power to him.
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You got proof??? Or is this just another desperate attempt to change the election? Fact is McCain has nothing to say(other then "the fundamentals of the economy are strong"...course 2 hours laters he deemed there to be a crisis) so he's going negative, his own advisers told the NY Times "if we keep talking about the economy we will lose".
Oh well I guees desperate times call for desperate measures.
scubasteve
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Either way, we are ^^^^ed, so I'd rather McCain wins, so I can look at Palin for at least 4 more years.
tomandshell
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She's back.
That should be the official GIF of the mods during election season.
It doesn't bug me so much that the elections bring out differences of opinion, it's just that so many people--on all sides--present their opinions and facts in such a condescending, superior, belitting, divisive, self righteous, arrogant or patronizing manner.
customizerwannabe
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The dems loved giving the loans to those with crap credit... till the bill came due. Now they blame it on the Republicans. I heard this stuff a few days ago. Hopefully a few more people will come to realize who is REALLY to blame on this.
customizerwannabe
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That should be the official GIF of the mods during election season.
It doesn't bug me so much that the elections bring out differences of opinion, it's just that so many people--on all sides--present their opinions and facts in such a condescending, superior, belitting, divisive, self righteous, arrogant or patronizing manner.
That's what politics does to people. The mods should take a vacation till November.
scubasteve
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I'm so glad that O'Reilly tore Barney Frank a new one.
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I'm not trying to spin anything, but looking at that article it appears that some ACORN staffers were incredibly lazy and made up names in order to fulfill a quota. That's registration fraud, not voter fraud. None of those made up names were going to show up and vote and thus would have no impact on the election whatsoever.
There is the argument that getting those names on the roles opens up the door for people to vote multiple times by indeed showing up as one of the fake registrants. (After getting fake IDs made that would have to have real addresses.) However the lazy ***** that filled in the names certainly aren't going to make the effort to do all that and is obviously not the intention.
It's like the guy who picks up a water pistol in the store and turns to the clerk to ask how much it costs and the idiot clerk thinks it's a stick-up.
There is the argument that getting those names on the roles opens up the door for people to vote multiple times by indeed showing up as one of the fake registrants. (After getting fake IDs made that would have to have real addresses.) However the lazy ***** that filled in the names certainly aren't going to make the effort to do all that and is obviously not the intention.
It's like the guy who picks up a water pistol in the store and turns to the clerk to ask how much it costs and the idiot clerk thinks it's a stick-up.
customizerwannabe
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Doesn't O'Reilly tear everyone a new one? I can't stand him.
