Presidential Debate Tonight - Obama vs. McCain.... DING, DING, DING

[barbelith]

I apologize. I'm just so used to watching a democrat-run congress [with a whooping 9% approval rating!] never take one ounce of responsibility their own screw-ups.

You might want to look at the composition of the Senate and then rewrite this.

It also doesn't help that some of the "elistist" board members here follow their example.

Would you prefer your brain surgeon to be one of the elite or someone you can identify with?

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

 

[hoodonit00]

They are alike in the sense that both men live in the same Western capitalist republic. This is going to instill some very basic shared values and will lead to them broadly agreeing on many things (for example neither is going to eliminate taxes and neither is going to dismantle the military and neither is going to order 300 million people to do nothing but bake pies on Wednesdays).

Where they differ is in the way they prioritize the challenges facing the nation and how they would try to resolve those challenges. I would imagine on virtually every single issue Obama and McCain can both say "I agree with my opponent on X but here's where we differ" or "My opponent is right about Y but here's where he starts to get it wrong."

The people who can't do this are maniacs unfit for public service.

It's easy for partisans to rely on soundbites but if you go back and listen again, you'll see Obama continually delineates the differences between the two men even when agreeing with McCain on certain challenges, facts or principles. Add up those shades of difference and you get two distinct and incompatible approaches to running this country (one of the reasons the "women will blindly switch from Clinton to Palin" argument never made sense to rational people).

I agree this intellectual approach does not work in a culture that prides itself on a relentless drive toward mediocrity and partisan hatred.

"More of the same" stems from McCain's history of voting with Bush more than 90% of the time. The idea that he can credibly campaign on "change" is laughable. Maybe someone should ask him which of that 90% he now regrets and would like to change...

This post is so full of fail that I won't be able to properly refute it till later when I'm off work.

 

[RoboDad]

Would you prefer your brain surgeon to be one of the elite or someone you can identify with?

I would choose neither. I would want a brain surgeon who is an expert in his field, but not one who is considered "elite", either by himself or others. Such views represent a significant character flaw. I would prefer a doctor who continually works hard to remain skilled and proficient, but never considers himself so superior (as is the case with elitists) that he is without flaw and incapable of error.

In short, if I went to a doctor, and he told me that he is the best there is, I'd leave and find another doctor. Similarly, if a candidate's demeanor and packaging give me the impression that he believes himself to be "the best there is", he will not get my vote. Such is the case with Obama.

 

[FQRizzo]

Wash, rinse, repeat...

 

[Spartan Rex]

I would choose neither. I would want a brain surgeon who is an expert in his field, but not one who is considered "elite", either by himself or others. Such views represent a significant character flaw. I would prefer a doctor who continually works hard to remain skilled and proficient, but never considers himself so superior (as is the case with elitists) that he is without flaw and incapable of error.

In short, if I went to a doctor, and he told me that he is the best there is, I'd leave and find another doctor. Similarly, if a candidate's demeanor and packaging give me the impression that he believes himself to be "the best there is", he will not get my vote. Such is the case with Obama.

Robo,
Barbie doesnt understand the difference between "Elite" and Elitist".
I was going to inform him, then I realized I didnt really care.

 

[Mesa]

Here's some more facts in case anyone is interested in those anymore.

This is from an unbiased gov't website "govtrack.us".

I recommend checking the voting records of each candidate.

Senator Barrack Hussein Obama

Senator John McCain


Now you tell me who seems more willing to compromise and cross party lines.

While McCain's is nearly right down the middle, in all his esperience in Congress, Obama's is leaning so far left its almost off the meter in his VERY short run as a US senator.

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

Seriously, what if McCain has a stroke and that ^^^^ing Idiot Palin is our Pres. That would be 100x worse than Dubya... I don't understand how anyone could vote for that party..

 

[pixletwin]

Anyone read the transcript of Katie Couric's interview with Palin.... I shudder at her seeming stupidity.

 

[wofford29]

Anyone read the transcript of Katie Couric's interview with Palin.... I shudder at her seeming stupidity.

Reading it doesn't do it justice.

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

I was in absolute shock watching that... How the hell is she a candidate?..

 

[Darklord Dave]

Here's some more facts in case anyone is interested in those anymore.

This is from an unbiased gov't website "govtrack.us".

I recommend checking the voting records of each candidate.

Senator Barrack Hussein Obama

Senator John McCain


Now you tell me who seems more willing to compromise and cross party lines.

While McCain's is nearly right down the middle, in all his esperience in Congress, Obama's is leaning so far left its almost off the meter in his VERY short run as a US senator.

What's McCain's middle name? Why didn't you use it as well?

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

Don't worry Dave, McCain/Palin will never win and will be the butt of jokes for years to come.

 

[BadMoon]

What's McCain's middle name? Why didn't you use it as well?

Osama.......

 

[Mesa]

What's McCain's middle name? Why didn't you use it as well?

Dave, I actually looked for it in those links, it's not in there. Neither is Obama's, but I knew that one already. I honestly don't know McCain's middle name.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Robo,
Barbie doesnt understand the difference between "Elite" and Elitist".
I was going to inform him, then I realized I didnt really care.

Name calling again - if you can't keep the aggression and nastiness out of the discussion there will be no recourse but to close the thread.

 

[barbelith]

Barbie doesnt understand the difference between "Elite" and Elitist".

The latter is what the Republican propaganda machine works so hard to convince us the former are in order to replace meritocracy with mediocrity.

 

[Mesa]

Here's some more facts in case anyone is interested in those anymore.

This is from an unbiased gov't website "govtrack.us".

I recommend checking the voting records of each candidate.

Senator Barrack Hussein Obama

Senator John Sidney McCain


Now you tell me who seems more willing to compromise and cross party lines.

While McCain's is nearly right down the middle, in all his esperience in Congress, Obama's is leaning so far left its almost off the meter in his VERY short run as a US senator.

What's McCain's middle name? Why didn't you use it as well?

There, link/references fixed

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

Sidney?... LMAO!!!!

 

[Mesa]

What's really funny LMAO is Barrack's voting record. Tell me that isn't biased. At least McCain is willing to compromise on some issues, about 40-50% of the time.