Presidential Debate Tonight - Obama vs. McCain.... DING, DING, DING

[FQRizzo]

Sidney?... LMAO!!!!

"Sid the Kid" McCain?

 

[barbelith]

Now you tell me who seems more willing to compromise and cross party lines.

"McCain is a rank-and-file Republican" according to the first statement on your link...

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

I would choose neither. I would want a brain surgeon who is an expert in his field, but not one who is considered "elite", either by himself or others. Such views represent a significant character flaw. I would prefer a doctor who continually works hard to remain skilled and proficient, but never considers himself so superior (as is the case with elitists) that he is without flaw and incapable of error.

In short, if I went to a doctor, and he told me that he is the best there is, I'd leave and find another doctor. Similarly, if a candidate's demeanor and packaging give me the impression that he believes himself to be "the best there is", he will not get my vote. Such is the case with Obama.

The problem with this quote is that it's the republican hate machine that keeps calling Obama an elitist. If Obama came out and called himself an elitist then i would agree with you whole heartedly that this man should not get my vote.

If you go to a doctor and he refers you to the "best that there is" you would probably go - i would i mean if i have cancer i want the best doctor there is in that field. It seems crazy to me that you would find another doctor because his peers think he's the best and you have an aversion to elitism.

If you want to make the argument that Obama has come out and said he "is the best person for this job" and that makes him elite then you can say the same thing of McCain because he feels he's the best.

This elite argument is stupid and distracts us from the issues at hand - both canidates think they're the best so both are elite end of story.

 

[pixletwin]

This elite argument is stupid and distracts us from the issues at hand - both canidates think they're the best so both are elite end of story.

Quoted for truth.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Quoted for truth.

Cheers to you good sir

 

[barbelith]

This elite argument is stupid and distracts us from the issues at hand - both canidates think they're the best so both are elite end of story.

Yep. It's partly designed to prevent us from spending time thinking about actual issues and partly to fend off criticism when running pitifully unqualified candidates. The weirdest part is how it starts rattling around the echo chamber without someone stopping to say, "Hey guys, this might not be the best approach considering our candidate is vastly richer and has so many houses and cars he literally can't remember the number of each."

 

[ProgMatinee]

Real issue. Democrats like to allow feminists with self-image, reputation concerns, and personal priorities and/or career asperations kill babies.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

"Hey guys, this might not be the best approach considering our candidate is vastly richer and has so many houses and cars he literally can't remember the number of each."

Apparently Republicans think being smart is a bad thing (elitist.) What exactly is being wealthy then? You're telling me that the wealthy can identify what my experience in America is like?

People laugh at this community organizer thing but at least he knows how the poor are living and has seen it first hand. Thats a big deal when talking about "main street"

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Real issue. Democrats like to allow feminists with self-image, reputation concerns, and personal priorities and/or career asperations kill babies.

*Les Sigh* and those stupid women who get themselves raped.

 

[ProgMatinee]

"Main Street vs Wall Street" is becoming the catch phrase of the election.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

"Main Street vs Wall Street" is becoming the catch phrase of the election.

Yeah i thought that i would through it in there since it's being used so much lately.

 

[ProgMatinee]

*Les Sigh* and those stupid women who get themselves raped.

Only the lunatic fringe republican wants to prevent it in those cases. Even though Palin personally feels that way, its not an issue the administration would press. Conservatives would be willing to compromise if the democrats were willing to put up better restrictions.

Both come to the table with extreme viewpoints. Unrestricted killing of 1st trimester babies is pretty extreme.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Only the lunatic fringe republican wants to prevent it in those cases. Even though Palin personally feels that way, its not an issue the administration would press.

The problem is the way that things have been going with the Neocon Republicans crapping all over the law i can see this "fringe" idea becoming a reality. Scares the hell out of me.

 

[ProgMatinee]

The problem is the way that things have been going with the Neocon Republicans crapping all over the law i can see this "fringe" idea becoming a reality. Scares the hell out of me.

Example? The fears of liberals that Republicans want to take all your freedoms away and force you to go to church is ridiculous. If anything, its the liberal movement that is forcing "acceptance" and "political correctness" into everyone's lives.

 

[barbelith]

Democrats like to allow feminists with self-image, reputation concerns, and personal priorities and/or career asperations kill babies.

Can you name a single Democrat who advocates killing babies as distinct from abortion, or are you so blindly partisan that all ability to have a rational discussion has left the building?

 

[Anzik]

https://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx

UCLA study finds liberal bias in media.

Fox news and talk radio vs ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, most newspapers, Time, Newsweek, etc etc etc.

Unless of course we believe that an institution of higher learning is lying.

 

[barbelith]

The fears of liberals that Republicans want to take all your freedoms away and force you to go to church is ridiculous.

I don't think they'll force us to go to church (although many of them seem quite adamant about forcing the church to go to the government). But it's incontrovertible fact that under this Republican administration certain rights and freedoms have been curtailed.

If anything, its the liberal movement that is forcing "acceptance" and "political correctness" into everyone's lives.

How can acceptance be forced into your life? What happens to you if two men you don't know get married or a woman you don't know has an abortion?

The fact of the matter is that both Democrats and Republicans have no aversion to using the government to legalize the things they want legalized and to ban the things they want banned.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Can you name a single Democrat who advocates killing babies as distinct from abortion, or are you so blindly partisan that all ability to have a rational discussion has left the building?

What does "killing babies as distinct from abortion" mean?

Obviously, I mean that abortion=killing babies. Seems like you've lost touch with that reality.

Partisanship has nothing to do with my wanting to protect babies (fetus') lives. I am a Republican BECAUSE of their position on that issue. Unlike a lot of democrats that are willing to assimilate beliefs into the platform to gather larger voting blocks.

Do you really believe people should be allowed to destroy human life by whim? And I'm not interested in extreme cases like rape and incest as an excuse. I already concede it in those cases.

 

[barbelith]

Unless of course we believe that an institution of higher learning is lying.

It's more that the headline isn't supported by reading the scope of the study. And here's a counter: https://mediamatters.org/items/200602140002

Meanwhile a simple test of the "liberal media" would be to study its coverage in the current election cycle. Whoops! https://www.utne.com/2008-07-29/Media/New-Study-Shows-Media-Bias-Against-Obama.aspx?blogid=34

 

[RoboDad]

The problem with this quote is that it's the republican hate machine that keeps calling Obama an elitist. If Obama came out and called himself an elitist then i would agree with you whole heartedly that this man should not get my vote.

I think, perhaps, we have different definitions of elitism. Obama will never come out and call himself an elitist. That would make no sense, since elitism is a negative quality, not a positive one. And I'm not sure what "hate machine" you are referring to, either. My assessment comes from my own observation of Obama, during his speeches, especially during his convention speech. NO one has told me what to think.

If you go to a doctor and he refers you to the "best that there is" you would probably go - i would i mean if i have cancer i want the best doctor there is in that field. It seems crazy to me that you would find another doctor because his peers think he's the best and you have an aversion to elitism.

I think you may have misinterpreted my comments. Would I go to a specialist if my doctor (whom I trust) referred me to someone he considered to be the best in his field, of course I would go. But if, when consulting with that doctor, he told me that HE thinks he is the best there is, I wouldn't trust him. That attitude leads to carelessness, even recklessness, and I wouldn't trust my health to him.

If you want to make the argument that Obama has come out and said he "is the best person for this job" and that makes him elite then you can say the same thing of McCain because he feels he's the best.

It isn't about being the best candidate for the job. That implies confidence, and the belief that one has the qualifications to do the job well. But Obama, in my opinion, has gone much, much further than that. My perception of him is that he views himself as near royalty, rather than a job applicant for a position as a public servant.

As for McCain, well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. He is far from perfect (he is, after all, a politician), but I don't get any sense from him that he thinks he is the greatest politician ever to grace the ballot.

This elite argument is stupid and distracts us from the issues at hand - both canidates think they're the best so both are elite end of story.

Make no mistake. My disdain for Obama's megalomania isn't distracting me from the issues. I have listened to him describe what he wants to do, and on almost every single point I disagree with him, sometimes mildly, sometimes strongly.