PROMETHEUS: The future !!!!

[Sachiel]

If he looks like that now, he would look like that no matter what body was used, and, btw, how can you tell if he does or doesn't have said stick stuck up said juss askin.

Now they have a new body, and we've been told it will be employed on the new Indy Jones. That doesn't mean that it has been employed on the proto, does it? Just as we haven't seen what the nude body looks like clothed, so how it hangs is still an unknown.

It is on the Indy proto. You can tell from the neck and the forearms. Plus the poses look better.

 

[lerath666]

IMHO, outwar appearence is one thing, but as long as interior construction is different from the neo guy, it's still original.if not, THEN i'll be irked.

 

[piccolodaimaoh]

IMHO, outwar appearence is one thing, but as long as interior construction is different from the neo guy, it's still original.if not, THEN i'll be irked.

But in the world of collectibles on display doesn't outward appearance count for everything? Are you talking about if the Sideshow body has a better interior design than Volks, like if they use plastic parts instead of the metal screws that Volks uses? We aren't talking about cars here. Sideshow won't have a better engine.
Even if it just looks like the Volks on the outside but is totally different inside that doesn't change the similarities. I still feel cheated.

 

[JustinLuck]

Sure it does.

MaulFan should be happy (as am I) that characters with a unique neck (like Sidious) will still have necks no matter what body.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Neck detail can still be retained in the new design. The sculptor can simply sculpt the detail ontop of a neck template. No problem. It can still attach to the head and have range of motion.

 

[JustinLuck]

Especially if each new body adds $20-$30 more per figure.

The old Buck body most likely costs just as much to reproduce and assemble as any other figure on the market, including this new Prometheus. The Buck may have poor articulation, but it is made from high quality plastic and has very strong joints. The plastic is even better than Hot Toys. If they charge more, it is simply because they can. Forget 'research & development' copied from the Volks. As long as they have consumers believing that it is worth more, they will charge more. It just means higher profit margins for them.

 

[galactiboy]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Neck detail can still be retained in the new design. The sculptor can simply sculpt the detail ontop of a neck template. No problem. It can still attach to the head and have range of motion.

Thats included in today's Q&A, figures that require detailed necks will have them. But they weren't specific if it would the same type of 2 part, or a 1 piece design.

The old Buck body most likely costs just as much to reproduce and assemble as any other figure on the market, including this new Prometheus. The Buck may have poor articulation, but it is made from high quality plastic and has very strong joints. The plastic is even better than Hot Toys. If they charge more, it is simply because they can. Forget 'research & development' copied from the Volks. As long as they have consumers believing that it is worth more, they will charge more. It just means higher profit margins for them.

Looks to me like this body has many more individual and moving parts, 40 POA Vs 30 POA would lead me to believe that producing each one costs more than the previous body. And that there would be more chances for things to go wrong and have to be fixed during production runs as well. Which all comes back to us. Sideshow sold the buck for $20, sounds like a Volks sell for $50... there's your $30 difference.

 

[lerath666]

But in the world of collectibles on display doesn't outward appearance count for everything? Are you talking about if the Sideshow body has a better interior design than Volks, like if they use plastic parts instead of the metal screws that Volks uses? We aren't talking about cars here. Sideshow won't have a better engine.
Even if it just looks like the Volks on the outside but is totally different inside that doesn't change the similarities. I still feel cheated.

It's not so much just that,but with better internals, the figure will retain it's sturdyness much better in the long run. all the volks bodies i've used in the past are, well, after a few days the joints are all loose, and the figure cannot stand at all without the help of a stand, or a re-tightening of the screws. The go "ragdoll" on you. A better interior design would fix that.
Yes, the outward appearance looks like a neo guy with HT neck and wrists.
As long as it poses better thsan the buck, i could care less.
The REAL invation is the Armored figure body. That one I'm digging

 

[piccolodaimaoh]

It's not so much just that,but with better internals, the figure will retain it's sturdyness much better in the long run. all the volks bodies i've used in the past are, well, after a few days the joints are all loose, and the figure cannot stand at all without the help of a stand, or a re-tightening of the screws. The go "ragdoll" on you. A better interior design would fix that.
Yes, the outward appearance looks like a neo guy with HT neck and wrists.
As long as it poses better thsan the buck, i could care less.
The REAL invation is the Armored figure body. That one I'm digging

I see your point, though I have never had any problems with the joints of my Volks figures I am probably the exception going by what many people have said on this thread.

 

[Customikey]

I'm surprised by the negative reaction by some of our members. I mean, you have a riht to your opinion, naturally. It's just so unexpected after all the petitioning to get a new body! Some had even said previously that they'd be super-happy even if SS just employed the HT body straight-out.

Now, I have seen the Volks before, and admired it from a distance. But never have I ever been able to get my hands on one at a reasonable price.

If SS's new body bares resemblance to work that is previously done, I could not care less as long as it is, in of itself, a great body. Which it looks to be. I say bravo to the engineers at both SSC and HT for putting their heads together and creating a body that harkens back to another phenomenal (and very hard to get) body, improves on everything that the fans asked for, and still went the extra mile to create the perfect body for armored figures AND hobbits/children.

I'd say that's some damned fine work.

:chew:chew:chew:chew:chew

 

[Bluetooth]

Yeah, it does look a lot like the Neo-guy, but like a boardie already said on this thread, we can now have mass-produced, easy-to-find (and probably sturdier) neo-neo-guy bodies

The only thing I don't like on this body is the ankle connector. It's still the same mechanic of the old buck body and the wrist joints (and I believe older HT bodies used the same type of joint) - it does not feature free movement, like the ball-joint ankle connectors on the most recent HT bodies.

If you have a character who wears tall boots, posing the ankles will be a... female dog monkey5). It's easier to change the axis on the wrist because the joint is exposed all the time, but for the ankle, you will basically will have to pick an axis for movement and go with it. If you want to change the axis, you'll have to remove the boots and rotate the joint.

 

[bluesparrow]

Thank you Sideshow.

 

[LordAzrael]

Patents - if the Volks was only released in Japan its unlikely to have had a US patent in place. More to the point - who cares ? I'm fairly certain each body that comes out has taken a certain degree of inspiration from others.

As to the armoured figure body - a tall one would make an excellent chewbacca - being a bit narrow it would mean you could use a fur suit over the top without it looking too bulky.

 

[Rook]

Well it gets a little deeper than that. The fire is symbolic of a passion for life. Too heady a discussion I think for a thread about a toy.

Yay Prometheus!!!!!

Way off base, there.

The fire is symbolic for knowledge. Prometheus is the figure who introduced technology, wisdom, etc. to the Greeks. The first thing humans learned to do was to make fire. Everything else comes from that.

There are analogs to this in every culture, from Greek to Christian to American Indian. (The Christian version, by the way, is The Serpent, who led Adam and Eve into self-awareness. That's why another name for Lucifer in literature is The Morningstar, or The Lightbringer.)

But back to the reason for the name as a Sideshow body...

I would think that their using the Prometheus myth (bringing fire to the people) literally: This figure is going to set our collectibles on fire.

 

[Darthrazz]

This figure is going to set our collectibles on fire.

And our wallets!

 

[Mudshark]

I'm not so sure Volks wouldn't have also applied for a patent outside of Japan. I do find it difficult to believe that Sideshow would blatantly "borrow" such obvious features from another well-known maker and claim it for their own, however. I think it's more likely that Sideshow worked some kind of deal with Volks, as well as Hot Toys, in developing a hybrid figure that utilizes the best features of all three's figure designs. That's what it looks like to me, at least, and I'm very impressed with the results.

For what it's worth, I'm also very familiar with Volks and their original figure designs, and recognized the striking similarities immediately. I was going to mention it but kept reading through the posts and sure enough, somebody caught it a couple of pages later and saved me the trouble of bringing it up!

Just goes to show that NOTHING gets past the Sideshow Freaks!!!!!!

 

[Cowboy]

I wish they would change the wrist plugs for the hands, make them thicker or put the stem in the arm. It would make them sturdier.

 

[galactiboy]

I think as long as the hands are pliable enought it will be okay. But it seemed like with some of the recent releases the hands were so rigid it was really hard to swap them out.

 

[Mudshark]

I had to use the hairdryer on some of the latest ones to soften them before I plugged the hands in. After dealing with all the Hot Toys stuff lately, anytime there's a chance of breaking something, out comes the trusty hairdryer!

 

[pixletwin]

Way off base, there.

Sorry but no I am not. There are a million ways you can interpret any of this stuff... Religions/Myths are funny that way. Some would even say that it is knowledge (ie carnal knowledge) which is symbolized by the fire which certainly applies to passion, no?

 

[galactiboy]

I think you are both right, now lets hug and play with our collectibles