PS4 OR Xbox One?

[Solarsailor]

From what I understand, you can have up to 10 people on your "family" list. They can use the same copy/download that you buy, but only two can use the game at the same time and even then, only single player. You can't have 10 people playing Halo online together using one payed copy. How a "family" member is qualified, I don't know. Under the same roof maybe...IP address check? Or some kind of verification that can be done online?

I read somewhere that you can transfer the licence but then you can't play the game yourself. It's essentially like giving your friend a game but digitally.

Can't find the source though. If it is that then I guess that's not so bad. You could even set up a system where one of you buy's one game, the other another and so on.....

Like a round robin. I imagine they'd be all over that though so who knows.

 

[gypsycatcha]

I read somewhere that you can transfer the licence but then you can't play the game yourself. It's essentially like giving your friend a game but digitally.

Can't find the source though. If it is that then I guess that's not so bad. You could even set up a system where one of you buy's one game, the other another and so on.....

Like a round robin. I imagine they'd be all over that though so who knows.

I think I remember them saying it uses the cloud and is downloaded when round a friends house...

 

[snappahead]

I read somewhere that you can transfer the licence but then you can't play the game yourself. It's essentially like giving your friend a game but digitally.

Can't find the source though. If it is that then I guess that's not so bad. You could even set up a system where one of you buy's one game, the other another and so on.....

Like a round robin. I imagine they'd be all over that though so who knows.

I think you're describing the trading system. You can give a friend your "copy" of a game. The "family plan" thing is something else. It just goes to show you how over complicated all this crap is. You need to hire an attorney to figure out what you can and can't do with a product you paid for. It's ridiculous.

 

[Mogli]

Very good post , I agree entirely.

The military "thing" is a total non event for me. It's media propaganda at it's best. Who cares really? Not me. I can't use my telephone at work due to reception issue's. Should I make a stand against all phone company's?

A few people seem to be missing the point that Sony made about the games. As far as I know , yes the launch games can be swapped and traded with friends but Sony have said they are leaving it up to the publishers. Which could (and probably will) mean they will end up in the same spot as the XB1.

I also day by day really respect that MS have their vision and this is it. No farting around, it's this way or the high way. They are saying "this is what we've got" no bending to crying fanboys. Whilst on the other hand PS seem to be piggy backing on the wave of XB1 hate and are crowd pleasing.

Come release I'll be surprised if it's as black and white as it appears to be right now. Details will come to light.

Right now like everyone else I'm in the PS4 camp but I want to see more than just XB1 slander and the fact I can swap games with my mates.

So you think the internet check ins are made to advance infrastructure? Or do you admit it's because they want to restrict how we play and trade our games and try to counter piracy? And since you're not military, I'm confused why you think it being a non issue for you is relevant, because its a big issue to them in terms of gaming. If you're not the one being affected, obviously you're not included in the argument that MS is shutting people out for DRM.

You think maybe you can answer this yourself instead of letting someone else do it for you?

 

[plasmid303]

Amazon's PS4 vs. Xbox One super-poll shuts down early. Some speculate it being due to pressure from Microsoft PR.

Or perhaps it's because the results thus far (the poll was originally supposed to end on June 20th) looks so lopsided.

With nearly 95% of the vote (approximately 94.7% in favor of the PS4) Amazon has decided to end the user poll between the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 early. Back on June 13th the marketplace giant ran a Facebook poll to see which one consumers were more interested in between Microsoft and Sony's consoles and it appears that gamers have spoken quite loudly with their Facebook voting.

For now, the final numbers read 38984 votes in favor of the PlayStation 4 with only 2162 votes in favor of the Xbox One. Does anyone know how many employees work at Microsoft?

Originally, the poll was supposed to run for a week and end on June 20th, giving gamers plenty of time to cast a vote and comment in favor of the console they were most looking forward to. Unfortunately, Amazon cut the poll short after there was a massive and clearly lopsided showing of favoritism for one product over the other. This could also be an easy indicator for companies to use as a gauge for the potential purchasing habits of gamers and casual consumers alike for this fall.

Thinking about this logically, there's no real reason as to why Amazon would have wanted to end the poll early given all the free publicity and traffic they were receiving from the unbiased and very public escapade. That is, unless things were cut short, potentially, under coercion from upper management?

In reality, the poll was definitely generating a lot of media buzz, especially from gaming outlets who covered the lopsided-as-a-poorly-done-****-job poll, with an obvious reporting slant given in favor of Sony's upcoming PlayStation 4. It's not unlikely that the whole event could have incurred the intervention of reputation management agents, perhaps?

Personally, I really wanted to see what the voting habits were going to be like at the end of the official session between both consoles, but I guess we'll have to settle for what they ended up with.

Maybe the good folks at Forbes or Polygon can ping Amazon and find out what really happened? If I were a betting man I'd say a very nonsensical and boilerplate PR response is what we'll all end up with. Such is the fate of these kind of events during the propaganda-fueled warfare of corporate giants.

https://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Grabs-95-Consumer-Votes-Amazon-Ends-Poll-Early-56766.html

 

[Duck]

Very good post , I agree entirely.

The military "thing" is a total non event for me. It's media propaganda at it's best. Who cares really? Not me. I can't use my telephone at work due to reception issue's. Should I make a stand against all phone company's?

A few people seem to be missing the point that Sony made about the games. As far as I know , yes the launch games can be swapped and traded with friends but Sony have said they are leaving it up to the publishers. Which could (and probably will) mean they will end up in the same spot as the XB1.

I also day by day really respect that MS have their vision and this is it. No farting around, it's this way or the high way. They are saying "this is what we've got" no bending to crying fanboys. Whilst on the other hand PS seem to be piggy backing on the wave of XB1 hate and are crowd pleasing.

Come release I'll be surprised if it's as black and white as it appears to be right now. Details will come to light.

Right now like everyone else I'm in the PS4 camp but I want to see more than just XB1 slander and the fact I can swap games with my mates.

Come on man you are just sounding arrogant with that statement. Next time you are deployed for a year and can't do something you used to be able to do let me know. How long are you at work? When I was a EMT we would do 48hr shifts. No internet, but we still got to game on our free time and yes there is PLENTY of downtime so it would get boring quick just sitting there waiting for calls. Now if we wanted to play some Halo we couldn't because we wouldn't have any internet to play. Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean its not a **** idea.

So you think the internet check ins are made to advance infrastructure? Or do you admit it's because they want to restrict how we play and trade our games and try to counter piracy? And since you're not military, I'm confused why you think it being a non issue for you is relevant, because its a big issue to them in terms of gaming. If you're not the one being affected, obviously you're not included in the argument that MS is shutting people out for DRM.

You think maybe you can answer this yourself instead of letting someone else do it for you?

Beat me to what I was pretty much saying

 

[VS1976]

Xbox One Games At E3 Were Running On Windows 7 With Nvidia GTX Cards?

Posted this at the other Xbox thread

Don't know of this was posted or not but its quite fascinated .... Or in this case not for Microsoft...

Here is the link to it. There are pics too

https://m.cinemablend.com/games/Xbo...ng-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html

[Update: PS4 developers state that their games were running on actual PS4 dev kits, not high-end PCs]

You know how EA's COO Peter Moore told Geoff Keighley during the post-conference interview at E3 that the games they were showing off on stage were running on comparable dev kit specs to the actual home consoles? Well...that's not really true. What is true, however, is that to get the best performance on home console games, Microsoft made sure that they were running on the most stable system specs available on the market and in some cases that may have been an HP powered, Windows 7 system with Nvidia's 700 series GTX GPU.

Thanks to the guys on the HFBoards, they put together a nice little cache of information on the Xbox One and PS4, strangely they had some fairly unflattering evidence of some Xbox One games not even running on Xbox One dev kits or, as Peter Moore put it, comparable specs... unless switching from AMD cards to Nvidia cards in a last ditch effort to raise the price of manufacturing the console?

Anyway, Julian Rignall from US Gamers had an interesting Tweet to share, which on its own is quite harmless, noting...



Well, that's just some possible guesswork and speculation from one person encountering an error on an Xbox One and there's no way that any of that can remotely be proven because why would Microsoft not trust their own dev kits or comparable specs to run high-end games when... BAM! This showed up on HF Boards...



Oh dayum!

And wait for it, wait for it...wait...for...it...Boom!



Money shot!

If true, none of this should be a surprise to most people given that all E3 demos run their games on high-end PCs; it's a smoke and mirrors circus to sell the idea of the game, sort of like how pro wrestling sells the idea of fighting despite being scripted. We should all be used to it by now and it's just common practice [from most studios] given that the dev kits or comparable specs aren't usually finalized at this point.

However, in this particular case it does make it seem like Microsoft didn't even trust their latest Windows 8 operating system. As many people questioned on Twitter, why not Windows 8? Heck, Windows 8 is what one of the Xbox One's operating systems is based on. Opting for Windows 7 during E3 seems like Microsoft may not have had the confidence in their latest OS to put on the show they required or demo the games in the best of light.

I suppose the only real damning thing about this kind of exposure is that Microsoft didn't even use “comparable specs" from the company providing them with video cards in their home console. For those of you who don't know the Xbox One will run on a modified AMD GPU that, according to Extreme Tech, is on the level of a mid-ranged Radeon 7790. I guess the 7790 wasn't powerful enough for the Xbox One's E3 games eh? They needed a real manly card like the GTX 780, eh?

I guess it's like that old saying: If you want to dazzle on the grand stage you go GTX or you go home.

Also.. .poor, poor Windows 8; even Microsoft doesn't like you.

 

[IronManny]

You guys really don't understand the Xbox One and how it works?

Who are you? My Grandma?

Sony just piggybacked on the MS presentation and acted like the crazy Uncle who will give you everything mom and dad won't. There was no originality. Just jokes and razzle dazzle.

Both systems will be great. Xbox will just be more original and forward thinking. Sony is like a Dell. MS is like Apple.

 

[BadMoon]

My PS4 is almost all paid off via trade ins. I will likely trade the rest of the crap I dont use and pay it all off. Have an extra controller and 5 games preordered.

 

[VS1976]

You guys really don't understand the Xbox One and how it works?

Who are you? My Grandma?

Sony just piggybacked on the MS presentation and acted like the crazy Uncle who will give you everything mom and dad won't. There was no originality. Just jokes and razzle dazzle.

Both systems will be great. Xbox will just be more original and forward thinking. Sony is like a Dell. MS is like Apple.

Ummm I would not consider MS like Apple. They are know where near as good as them. Their biggest flaw is the operating system. If you want to look at originality, go to Apple not Microsoft

 

[Jen]

You guys really don't understand the Xbox One and how it works?

Who are you? My Grandma?

Sony just piggybacked on the MS presentation and acted like the crazy Uncle who will give you everything mom and dad won't. There was no originality. Just jokes and razzle dazzle.

Both systems will be great. Xbox will just be more original and forward thinking. Sony is like a Dell. MS is like Apple.

I would think MS is like Windows 8...not Apple.

 

[Mogli]

Beat me to what I was pretty much saying

And I agree with what you said. Really, all I see are people justifying DRM because MS fooled them into thinking it's "the way of future!"

I recognize the phone analogy, where those who can't handle what newer phones require just stick with old phones, just like MS says to stick with the 360. But people fail to grasp that part of the argument is offline gaming should never require a connection, and locking you out is pure DRM. I think it's ridiculous to say this is all to advance infrastructure, MS doesn't care about that, they only care about restricting the games for those who already have good connections (since they make up most of the MS audience) while completely dismissing the rest.

 

[Matt S]

Microsoft is putting up a good face on this whole, 'we aint worried' approach, but if/when the sales of Xbox One tank, they'll rethink strategy quickly

classic case of consumers voting with their wallets, and most aint buying what MS is selling at the moment.

 

[Mogli]

Microsoft is putting up a good face on this whole, 'we aint worried' approach, but if/when the sales of Xbox One tank, they'll rethink strategy quickly

classic case of consumers voting with their wallets, and most aint buying what MS is selling at the moment.

They keep sticking in hints that things might change in the future, giving themselves a way out.

And it's funny people assume Sony is doing the opposite as a last minute decision just to stick it to MS. Sony knew the DRM stuff would damage sales and be very unpopular with many people especially outside the US, and they couldn't afford to fall behind again. MS knows too, but they're counting on fans of Live to save them. Sony may flip in the future, but I'd rather focus on how people are being screwed over in the present.

 

[Boba Ben]

Getting screwed by big corporations. It's the way of the future. Get with it old timer!

 

[Solidus]

I would think MS is like Windows 8...not Apple.

Apparently, Microsoft doesn't even like Windows 8. They ran all of their E3 demos on high-performance desktops, that were using Windows 7 .

 

[GasparZizou]

Getting screwed by big corporations. It's the way of the future. Get with it old timer!

Oh a business maker "giving us what we want"....that's.... that is CRAZY

That's the least effective way to do business, giving people what they want, I mean, what the **** is Sony thinking?

That Uncle analogy couldn't be more wrong, because it implies that MS knows what's best for us, like our parents, and that Sony, our uncle, is spoiling us, which clearly is not the case.

Unless of course your parents suddenly made you paid rent for your room and food when you were a child you know, to build character...

I can see what MS is trying to do with the new features, real fancy and what not.

But there's just no way to justify the restrictions, no way.

 

[karamazov80]

Microsoft could be giving us a glimpse of the future, where software companies dictate system-wide policy to the chagrin of consumers. But just because that might happen doesn't make what Sony appears to be doing now any less appealing relative to Microsoft. Customers having more options and more freedom is simply going to be better than having less of those things, holding everything else constant.

Personally I don't think we're far off from all software moving away from physical discs, at which point (assuming the appropriate security is in place for these files) Microsoft's perspective of sharing games would seem much less controversial, and the internet connectivity issue should become a moot point. But we aren't there yet.

 

[BladeDJK]

PS4 since it's for gamers.

 

[Darth Vader]

with the way Microsoft is acting, not worried and non chalant I think since both Microsoft and EA are in bed together and EA is EA. I really hope that the next gen Star Wars games aren't exclusive to Xbox One. But It could happen.