To me, your position boiled down to "it doesn't affect me, therefore, who cares that it affects anyone". I used the military because they are the most recognizable example. I can instead point out the people I know in other countries who will be completely left out, if that helps, although I was thinking some here would dismiss them as "insignificant" people.Yes of course? Reading quotes from George Lucas/Steven Spielberg the prediction is for movie's to keep going up and up in price until it becomes a novelty. Why? Because of mass piracy and dwindling numbers. You're telling me all those guy's with PC's are all red roses? No piracy or hacking going on?!It's not just that either. If this is the way they see the technology going, who's to stop them? Just don't buy it if you don't want it. If you're not doing anything wrong there's nothing to worry about right?
I only brought up the military because you used it like some kind of slander against MS. I respect the military fully and the lives the save. Do I care that they can't play an X-box at dinner time?
I'm not even sure what this means to be honest. I've made my points clear. I'm still not even siding with PS4 or MS either. I'm presenting the evidence and how it effects me.
Right now the DRM is not a big deal for me personally. If you can afford an XB1 there's a hella good chance you've got the internet.
Now it turns out MS are some sort of vanguard prophets innovating and aiming towards the future....
Hypocrisy at it's best
They're both tyrant companies, but at least one knows what the consumers want.
Hypocrisy at it's best
They're both tyrant companies, but at least one knows what the consumers want.
I like how you say most of the world can get past the whole internet thing. Its not that easy. Is the internet offered around here? Absolutely, but that doesn't mean that people can actually get it. Anyone that lives a mile outside of town will not be getting an xbox. You know how many friends of mine that affects? ALOT. Cell phones are so much different than consoles. Towers reach a long distance and their are a ton of them. People out in the country can still get phone service even if its ****ty they just might have to only call from one part of the house. Can't say the same thing about the internet. Sure they can get dial up, but in no way will that allow them to be able to play the xbox.It will not effect the majority of XBL customers. If it does they have another option. MS have obviously crunched the numbers. I can't get access to Amazon/Streaming Radio, all the fancy jazz Americans get. I don't complain - because I can't get it - simple.
They are not screwing over anyone. They are offering a product that has certain limitations that most of the world can get past. Much like how an Iphone only works with a phone siginal. I'm still not sure what's hard to understand about that. Should we always try to make technology accessible to 6 billion? Or should we advance the technology further so we can get to that state someday?
If Piracy get's cut = better cheaper games for everyone, not just the pirates.
Of course not but PS and a lot of fans have piggy backed on a lot of false and unconfirmed details. As far as I can see the 24 hour check in is the one major fail but going around the internet you would think they made the XB1 out of chip wood. Having read a few "Engineer" articles it seems they fully understand the potential of the DRM and XB1.
No they won't. By all accounts the PS4 will work for them. XB are breaking off. Competition is good, it means we get a better product.
Again, you're not reading my posts. My initial jump into this thread was to discuss the fact that on paper - not from fanboys mouths - both consoles seem to be very capable of great things but right now the PS4 holds the edge with potentially the XB1 being the better long term investment IF they can clear up some of the details.
I may have to put this in my signature.
I see your position clearer now. It's really a difference of opinion on what it means to, in my words, "screw over" a customer. I felt the DRM is harsh and unnecessary to fans of the MS franchises and gamers with bad/non-existent connections, but once again, that also comes down to our difference in opinion on how to fight piracy, and whether or not certain people must be left out in order to accomplish that (I obviously don't think so). But I agree that they can simply move to another console.It will not effect the majority of XBL customers. If it does they have another option. MS have obviously crunched the numbers. I can't get access to Amazon/Streaming Radio, all the fancy jazz Americans get. I don't complain - because I can't get it - simple.
They are not screwing over anyone. They are offering a product that has certain limitations that most of the world can get past. Much like how an Iphone only works with a phone siginal. I'm still not sure what's hard to understand about that. Should we always try to make technology accessible to 6 billion? Or should we advance the technology further so we can get to that state someday?
If Piracy get's cut = better cheaper games for everyone, not just the pirates.
Of course not but PS and a lot of fans have piggy backed on a lot of false and unconfirmed details. As far as I can see the 24 hour check in is the one major fail but going around the internet you would think they made the XB1 out of chip wood. Having read a few "Engineer" articles it seems they fully understand the potential of the DRM and XB1.
No they won't. By all accounts the PS4 will work for them. XB are breaking off. Competition is good, it means we get a better product.
Again, you're not reading my posts. My initial jump into this thread was to discuss the fact that on paper - not from fanboys mouths - both consoles seem to be very capable of great things but right now the PS4 holds the edge with potentially the XB1 being the better long term investment IF they can clear up some of the details.
I may have to put this in my signature.
I've also owned all the systems, and I couldn't care less about fanboy arguments. The comments from MS fanboys I was referring to were ones directed at the military and people with bad connections, basically stuff like "who cares about those people/that country", "if they're poor they don't deserve to play console games anyway", things of that nature.The same can be said for PS fans. In fact there's a certain "smugness" going around the internet from that camp like they some how won the war. It's pointless. Siding with a group or insulting people because of their allegiance is just plain dumb. I don't care for it at all. Most intelligent gamers can identify the system for them without having to resort to frothy internet arguments. I've been doing it for 25 years
